The Rejected Times

[Southern Bellz]

Can confirm.

[Equestria and Griffon]

So,I'm in 10000 islands and trying to do a republican coup of Lazarus.Anyone want to help?

[The South Polish Union]

So,I'm in 10000 islands and trying to do a republican coup of Lazarus.Anyone want to help?

this is already off to a good start...

[The Rejected Times]

Former NPO Senator Elegarth Speaks Out
INTERVIEW | UNIBOT, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF


"The NPO was my home region for many years , [...] but that does not means I politically support their current stance."

Unibot and Elegarth discuss the future of The West Pacific, Lazarus and The New Pacific Order...

Unibot: Greetings Elegarth! You've announced your intentions to run for Prime Minister of The West Pacific. What will The West Pacific look like under your leadership if elected?

Elegarth: Ideally, as it looks now, but with more activity, a stronger community, and chances for people to learn and grow in the region not only in aspects of game-play and government options, but also socially. I want to create a community, to be honest. A place where people can feel they can develop themselves, contributing actively to what we may built together.

You’ve announced that Llamas, your competitor, would likely play a major role in your future cabinet if elected. How would you say you and Llamas differ as candidates then?

Well, I think Llamas has a good and very valuable vision for TWP, but he is thinking in terms of an already developed community, while I think we need to start with a most simple system and allow it to grow up. I don't think Llamas proposals and ideas for the legislature of the region are wrong, I just feel now is not the right time for them: if you from the start aim for a very complex multi-layered system, you may make it too complicated for new members to be engaged and feel they can propose where to go. But curiously enough, we seems to be more or less on the same page of where we want TWP to go in the mid or long term.

Some have expressed concerns that your candidacy in The West Pacific is an attempt by The New Pacific Order to amass a third stranglehold on a Game-Created Region (a ‘New West Pacific Order’ perhaps)? Would you dispute this claim? Why?

I've been working in TWP for a while now, and all the work I have done with them has been of my own accord and desire. I originally went to TWP with the single task of being a diplomat, but their laid back and easy going attitude honestly make me feel well comfortable. When eventually there was a need for a Speaker of their regional assembly, and no one seemed to be willing to take it up, I offered myself to be of help and assist them.

What happened between NPO and Lazarus is not only something I don't feel comfortable with, it is also something I didn't agreed with in my position as former Senator. My goals for where to lead NPO were quite different, and they just seems to have failed. I am afraid I can't try to convince people of things they must decide for themselves. If people wants to believe I am a threat, there is little I can say to change their minds. What I can do is show through my actions in the region, what I really aim for.

However, people also needs to remember TWP has a very different system that most other regions, separating the in-game delegacy from the in-forum government. I don't hold any position in game, and the guardians and current delegate are the ones that protect the in-game security of TWP.

In communication between Feux and I, he stated that Darkesia had agreed to make you the new delegate of The West Pacific, however. Is this true?

Agreed? Not that I was aware of. She has expressed to me that she has plans to eventually leave the delegacy to a newer TWP nation, and far as I am aware, I may as well be one of the options. However, if that were the case, I do not intend to "give" TWP to NPO as people seems to believe. It would be pointless to built a community, and then make as MUCH DAMAGE to it, as the NPO take over of Lazarus has made. And with all my FA work destroyed by it, I don't feel like allowing my work to be stomped over again. There is a reason why I have decided to distanced myself from the Senate and the NPO, and it involves the current affair.

Resigning as Senator of the NPO is a 'big deal' - not everyone is aware of how unusual it is to resign as senator - especially when you've been a member of the New Pacific Order for a decade. What led to your resignation?

This is a hard question to answer. To put it simple: I did not agreed with what has been done in Lazarus. Don't get me wrong, I am not going to take a higher moral stance or fake position. I think both Lazarus and NPO were so close, politically speaking, that should they have wanted to create a single political system, it could be done through PROPER and LEGAL channels: by a binding pact, some bloc agreement, etc. And more importantly: with the involvement of the people of both regions.

However, that did not happened. Instead, and how I see it, things were done incorrectly, in a questionable manner, and I'm afraid I can't support that. The NPO was my home region for many years, my original nation, The Seeker of Power, was born there years and years ago, but that does not means I politically support their current stance. Nor the way they did, nor what they did for that matter.

You say “my goals for where to lead NPO were quite different.” What vision for The New Pacific Order did you have?

That's a very curious question. I had two different goals for NPO. One externally and one internally.

Externally, I wanted to make amends with the regions and people whom in the past were wronged or drove away. I am an honest believer that people can usually forgive - not forget - and for that I embarked on a long term goal that started in the feeders. I want all the feeders to be able to regularly meet up and discuss how to better improve the realm of NationStates, for them to be bastions of different values and be, among everything else, at true peace with each others.

Internally, I wanted to bring back some democratic institutions. I proposed to Krull, not too long ago, the creation of a legislative camera of sorts, able to both create and regulate a set of laws to govern the community, with the Emperor and the Senate ensuring the safety of the community through the protection of the Delegacy... This is what I thought was an ideal system. I also wanted to created a judicial system where violations of the Civil Code were judged by the people, not by the Senate.

A return to the People's Republic of The Pacific, perhaps?

Not a total return to the PRP, but some of its institutions. A Regional Assembly, a more empowered population. A mixture, if you may, of the NPO and the PRP.

What do you think the future will hold for The New Pacific Order, Lazarus and The West Pacific?

The West Pacific, as currently is, is a growing community that has a lot of potential, where I hope I can built something as to what I mentioned. A strengthened empowered community, a legal system made BY the people and to serve the needs of the region AND the people. No, not that I can built, that WE can built, that WE can craft into a home.

NPO and Lazarus, I honestly don't know. I will always consider myself a citizen of The Pacific, even if I'm no longer active in there, And I was never involved in Lazarus, nor the Lazarus dealings. If the world wants to remove the NLO, they will surely need levels of cooperation and coordination that I think have not been seen in YEARS in NS. I can't but wonder if such are possible, without that coalition end up having their OWN agenda, their OWN secret schemes and their OWN intentions for the region.

Thank you so more taking the time to join us with this interview, Elegarth. Good luck with your election in The West Pacific and the situation in The Pacific. If you have anything else you'd like to say to our readers - you have the floor!

Well, I guess apologizing for not reaction sooner to the Lazarus thing is pointless now, as time does not flows backwards. It all started while I was away due to RL personal matters to attend, and then due to the Catholic Holiday. I came the following week to find a house on fire and things happening so quickly that it was all confusing and shocking.

I do not take kindly, however, to the few that harassed me on IRC or the one person that queried over on IRC from an unidentified client to make life threats. It seems a little bit overboard. Don't get me wrong Uni, I don't fear internet threats, they seem to be the work of the immature and the pathetic, but I don't take kindly to them either. I've heard some people say there have ALSO been threats in the RMB of Lazarus, I saw one myself earlier. People needs to remember there is a line. Besides that, I am not gonna ask people to trust my words, cuz words are pointless if they are not accompanied by actions.

[Mallorea and Riva]

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Former NPO Senator Elegarth Speaks Out
INTERVIEW | UNIBOT, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF

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"The NPO was my home region for many years , [...] but that does not means I politically support their current stance."

Unibot and Elegarth discuss the future of The West Pacific, Lazarus and The New Pacific Order...

Unibot: Greetings Elegarth! You've announced your intentions to run for Prime Minister of The West Pacific. What will The West Pacific look like under your leadership if elected?

Elegarth: Ideally, as it looks now, but with more activity, a stronger community, and chances for people to learn and grow in the region not only in aspects of game-play and government options, but also socially. I want to create a community, to be honest. A place where people can feel they can develop themselves, contributing actively to what we may built together.

You’ve announced that Llamas, your competitor, would likely play a major role in your future cabinet if elected. How would you say you and Llamas differ as candidates then?

Well, I think Llamas has a good and very valuable vision for TWP, but he is thinking in terms of an already developed community, while I think we need to start with a most simple system and allow it to grow up. I don't think Llamas proposals and ideas for the legislature of the region are wrong, I just feel now is not the right time for them: if you from the start aim for a very complex multi-layered system, you may make it too complicated for new members to be engaged and feel they can propose where to go. But curiously enough, we seems to be more or less on the same page of where we want TWP to go in the mid or long term.

Some have expressed concerns that your candidacy in The West Pacific is an attempt by The New Pacific Order to amass a third stranglehold on a Game-Created Region (a ‘New West Pacific Order’ perhaps)? Would you dispute this claim? Why?

I've been working in TWP for a while now, and all the work I have done with them has been of my own accord and desire. I originally went to TWP with the single task of being a diplomat, but their laid back and easy going attitude honestly make me feel well comfortable. When eventually there was a need for a Speaker of their regional assembly, and no one seemed to be willing to take it up, I offered myself to be of help and assist them.

What happened between NPO and Lazarus is not only something I don't feel comfortable with, it is also something I didn't agreed with in my position as former Senator. My goals for where to lead NPO were quite different, and they just seems to have failed. I am afraid I can't try to convince people of things they must decide for themselves. If people wants to believe I am a threat, there is little I can say to change their minds. What I can do is show through my actions in the region, what I really aim for.

However, people also needs to remember TWP has a very different system that most other regions, separating the in-game delegacy from the in-forum government. I don't hold any position in game, and the guardians and current delegate are the ones that protect the in-game security of TWP.

In communication between Feux and I, he stated that Darkesia had agreed to make you the new delegate of The West Pacific, however. Is this true?

Agreed? Not that I was aware of. She has expressed to me that she has plans to eventually leave the delegacy to a newer TWP nation, and far as I am aware, I may as well be one of the options. However, if that were the case, I do not intend to "give" TWP to NPO as people seems to believe. It would be pointless to built a community, and then make as MUCH DAMAGE to it, as the NPO take over of Lazarus has made. And with all my FA work destroyed by it, I don't feel like allowing my work to be stomped over again. There is a reason why I have decided to distanced myself from the Senate and the NPO, and it involves the current affair.

Resigning as Senator of the NPO is a 'big deal' - not everyone is aware of how unusual it is to resign as senator - especially when you've been a member of the New Pacific Order for a decade. What led to your resignation?

This is a hard question to answer. To put it simple: I did not agreed with what has been done in Lazarus. Don't get me wrong, I am not going to take a higher moral stance or fake position. I think both Lazarus and NPO were so close, politically speaking, that should they have wanted to create a single political system, it could be done through PROPER and LEGAL channels: by a binding pact, some bloc agreement, etc. And more importantly: with the involvement of the people of both regions.

However, that did not happened. Instead, and how I see it, things were done incorrectly, in a questionable manner, and I'm afraid I can't support that. The NPO was my home region for many years, my original nation, The Seeker of Power, was born there years and years ago, but that does not means I politically support their current stance. Nor the way they did, nor what they did for that matter.

You say “my goals for where to lead NPO were quite different.” What vision for The New Pacific Order did you have?

That's a very curious question. I had two different goals for NPO. One externally and one internally.

Externally, I wanted to make amends with the regions and people whom in the past were wronged or drove away. I am an honest believer that people can usually forgive - not forget - and for that I embarked on a long term goal that started in the feeders. I want all the feeders to be able to regularly meet up and discuss how to better improve the realm of NationStates, for them to be bastions of different values and be, among everything else, at true peace with each others.

Internally, I wanted to bring back some democratic institutions. I proposed to Krull, not too long ago, the creation of a legislative camera of sorts, able to both create and regulate a set of laws to govern the community, with the Emperor and the Senate ensuring the safety of the community through the protection of the Delegacy... This is what I thought was an ideal system. I also wanted to created a judicial system where violations of the Civil Code were judged by the people, not by the Senate.

A return to the People's Republic of The Pacific, perhaps?

Not a total return to the PRP, but some of its institutions. A Regional Assembly, a more empowered population. A mixture, if you may, of the NPO and the PRP.

What do you think the future will hold for The New Pacific Order, Lazarus and The West Pacific?

The West Pacific, as currently is, is a growing community that has a lot of potential, where I hope I can built something as to what I mentioned. A strengthened empowered community, a legal system made BY the people and to serve the needs of the region AND the people. No, not that I can built, that WE can built, that WE can craft into a home.

NPO and Lazarus, I honestly don't know. I will always consider myself a citizen of The Pacific, even if I'm no longer active in there, And I was never involved in Lazarus, nor the Lazarus dealings. If the world wants to remove the NLO, they will surely need levels of cooperation and coordination that I think have not been seen in YEARS in NS. I can't but wonder if such are possible, without that coalition end up having their OWN agenda, their OWN secret schemes and their OWN intentions for the region.

Thank you so more taking the time to join us with this interview, Elegarth. Good luck with your election in The West Pacific and the situation in The Pacific. If you have anything else you'd like to say to our readers - you have the floor!

Well, I guess apologizing for not reaction sooner to the Lazarus thing is pointless now, as time does not flows backwards. It all started while I was away due to RL personal matters to attend, and then due to the Catholic Holiday. I came the following week to find a house on fire and things happening so quickly that it was all confusing and shocking.

I do not take kindly, however, to the few that harassed me on IRC or the one person that queried over on IRC from an unidentified client to make life threats. It seems a little bit overboard. Don't get me wrong Uni, I don't fear internet threats, they seem to be the work of the immature and the pathetic, but I don't take kindly to them either. I've heard some people say there have ALSO been threats in the RMB of Lazarus, I saw one myself earlier. People needs to remember there is a line. Besides that, I am not gonna ask people to trust my words, cuz words are pointless if they are not accompanied by actions.

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Simply Amazing.

[The Sapientia]

You know what else is amazing?
When people DON'T quote an entire article.

[Mallorea and Riva]

You know what else is amazing?
When people DON'T quote an entire article.

Indeed. Fixed.

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Former NPO Senator Elegarth Speaks Out
INTERVIEW | UNIBOT, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF

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"The NPO was my home region for many years , [...] but that does not means I politically support their current stance."

Unibot and Elegarth discuss the future of The West Pacific, Lazarus and The New Pacific Order...

Unibot: Greetings Elegarth! You've announced your intentions to run for Prime Minister of The West Pacific. What will The West Pacific look like under your leadership if elected?

Elegarth: Ideally, as it looks now, but with more activity, a stronger community, and chances for people to learn and grow in the region not only in aspects of game-play and government options, but also socially. I want to create a community, to be honest. A place where people can feel they can develop themselves, contributing actively to what we may built together.

You’ve announced that Llamas, your competitor, would likely play a major role in your future cabinet if elected. How would you say you and Llamas differ as candidates then?

Well, I think Llamas has a good and very valuable vision for TWP, but he is thinking in terms of an already developed community, while I think we need to start with a most simple system and allow it to grow up. I don't think Llamas proposals and ideas for the legislature of the region are wrong, I just feel now is not the right time for them: if you from the start aim for a very complex multi-layered system, you may make it too complicated for new members to be engaged and feel they can propose where to go. But curiously enough, we seems to be more or less on the same page of where we want TWP to go in the mid or long term.

Some have expressed concerns that your candidacy in The West Pacific is an attempt by The New Pacific Order to amass a third stranglehold on a Game-Created Region (a ‘New West Pacific Order’ perhaps)? Would you dispute this claim? Why?

I've been working in TWP for a while now, and all the work I have done with them has been of my own accord and desire. I originally went to TWP with the single task of being a diplomat, but their laid back and easy going attitude honestly make me feel well comfortable. When eventually there was a need for a Speaker of their regional assembly, and no one seemed to be willing to take it up, I offered myself to be of help and assist them.

What happened between NPO and Lazarus is not only something I don't feel comfortable with, it is also something I didn't agreed with in my position as former Senator. My goals for where to lead NPO were quite different, and they just seems to have failed. I am afraid I can't try to convince people of things they must decide for themselves. If people wants to believe I am a threat, there is little I can say to change their minds. What I can do is show through my actions in the region, what I really aim for.

However, people also needs to remember TWP has a very different system that most other regions, separating the in-game delegacy from the in-forum government. I don't hold any position in game, and the guardians and current delegate are the ones that protect the in-game security of TWP.

In communication between Feux and I, he stated that Darkesia had agreed to make you the new delegate of The West Pacific, however. Is this true?

Agreed? Not that I was aware of. She has expressed to me that she has plans to eventually leave the delegacy to a newer TWP nation, and far as I am aware, I may as well be one of the options. However, if that were the case, I do not intend to "give" TWP to NPO as people seems to believe. It would be pointless to built a community, and then make as MUCH DAMAGE to it, as the NPO take over of Lazarus has made. And with all my FA work destroyed by it, I don't feel like allowing my work to be stomped over again. There is a reason why I have decided to distanced myself from the Senate and the NPO, and it involves the current affair.

Resigning as Senator of the NPO is a 'big deal' - not everyone is aware of how unusual it is to resign as senator - especially when you've been a member of the New Pacific Order for a decade. What led to your resignation?

This is a hard question to answer. To put it simple: I did not agreed with what has been done in Lazarus. Don't get me wrong, I am not going to take a higher moral stance or fake position. I think both Lazarus and NPO were so close, politically speaking, that should they have wanted to create a single political system, it could be done through PROPER and LEGAL channels: by a binding pact, some bloc agreement, etc. And more importantly: with the involvement of the people of both regions.

However, that did not happened. Instead, and how I see it, things were done incorrectly, in a questionable manner, and I'm afraid I can't support that. The NPO was my home region for many years, my original nation, The Seeker of Power, was born there years and years ago, but that does not means I politically support their current stance. Nor the way they did, nor what they did for that matter.

You say “my goals for where to lead NPO were quite different.” What vision for The New Pacific Order did you have?

That's a very curious question. I had two different goals for NPO. One externally and one internally.

Externally, I wanted to make amends with the regions and people whom in the past were wronged or drove away. I am an honest believer that people can usually forgive - not forget - and for that I embarked on a long term goal that started in the feeders. I want all the feeders to be able to regularly meet up and discuss how to better improve the realm of NationStates, for them to be bastions of different values and be, among everything else, at true peace with each others.

Internally, I wanted to bring back some democratic institutions. I proposed to Krull, not too long ago, the creation of a legislative camera of sorts, able to both create and regulate a set of laws to govern the community, with the Emperor and the Senate ensuring the safety of the community through the protection of the Delegacy... This is what I thought was an ideal system. I also wanted to created a judicial system where violations of the Civil Code were judged by the people, not by the Senate.

A return to the People's Republic of The Pacific, perhaps?

Not a total return to the PRP, but some of its institutions. A Regional Assembly, a more empowered population. A mixture, if you may, of the NPO and the PRP.

What do you think the future will hold for The New Pacific Order, Lazarus and The West Pacific?

The West Pacific, as currently is, is a growing community that has a lot of potential, where I hope I can built something as to what I mentioned. A strengthened empowered community, a legal system made BY the people and to serve the needs of the region AND the people. No, not that I can built, that WE can built, that WE can craft into a home.

NPO and Lazarus, I honestly don't know. I will always consider myself a citizen of The Pacific, even if I'm no longer active in there, And I was never involved in Lazarus, nor the Lazarus dealings. If the world wants to remove the NLO, they will surely need levels of cooperation and coordination that I think have not been seen in YEARS in NS. I can't but wonder if such are possible, without that coalition end up having their OWN agenda, their OWN secret schemes and their OWN intentions for the region.

Thank you so more taking the time to join us with this interview, Elegarth. Good luck with your election in The West Pacific and the situation in The Pacific. If you have anything else you'd like to say to our readers - you have the floor!

Well, I guess apologizing for not reaction sooner to the Lazarus thing is pointless now, as time does not flows backwards. It all started while I was away due to RL personal matters to attend, and then due to the Catholic Holiday. I came the following week to find a house on fire and things happening so quickly that it was all confusing and shocking.

I do not take kindly, however, to the few that harassed me on IRC or the one person that queried over on IRC from an unidentified client to make life threats. It seems a little bit overboard. Don't get me wrong Uni, I don't fear internet threats, they seem to be the work of the immature and the pathetic, but I don't take kindly to them either. I've heard some people say there have ALSO been threats in the RMB of Lazarus, I saw one myself earlier. People needs to remember there is a line. Besides that, I am not gonna ask people to trust my words, cuz words are pointless if they are not accompanied by actions.

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Simply Amazing.

Consider this an unofficial warning for the spammish nature of the post.

[Great Brigantia]

In communication between Feux and I, he stated that Darkesia had agreed to make you the new delegate of The West Pacific, however. Is this true?

This pretty much says it all. The rest is just what Elegarth and the New Pacific Order want people to hear and believe.

[Arctriul]

Read some interesting stuff in that interview - keep classy m8o

[Venico]

Kek, do people actually believe this?

[Valrifell]

Kek, do people actually believe this?

I don't know why anyone would trust even a former member of the NPO, especially given how apparently surprising it was to find Stu involved with Laz.

[Consular]

So much judgement from people who know so very little. I trust Elegarth. I've actually spoken to him before and stuff too, rather than just basing my opinion on the NPO being supah ebil.

I throughly enjoyed the interview.

[Valrifell]

So much judgement from people who know so very little. I trust Elegarth. I've actually spoken to him before and stuff too, rather than just basing my opinion on the NPO being supah ebil.

I throughly enjoyed the interview.

I can only imagine this was the thinking of Lazarus before, well, you know.

[RiderSyl]

So much judgement from people who know so very little. I trust Elegarth. I've actually spoken to him before and stuff too, rather than just basing my opinion on the NPO being supah ebil.

I throughly enjoyed the interview.

I can only imagine this was the thinking of Lazarus before, well, you know.

It absolutely was. Stu was as trusted in Lazarus as Elegarth is in TWP, if not more-so.
The kind of attitude Consular is displaying is the kind of attitude that Lazarenes are now regretting.

[Consular]

I can only imagine this was the thinking of Lazarus before, well, you know.

It absolutely was. Stu was as trusted in Lazarus as Elegarth is in TWP, if not more-so.
The kind of attitude Consular is displaying is the kind of attitude that Lazarenes are now regretting.

The alternative would be to judge Elegarth for crimes he has no yet committed and may never commit. I refuse to do that.

Better to trust and be disappointed than never know trust at all.

You allow fear and suspicion to rule you then the NPO had already won. Not to mention the fact that a climate of distrust can all too easily create bitterness leading to a self fulfilling prophesy.

[RiderSyl]

It absolutely was. Stu was as trusted in Lazarus as Elegarth is in TWP, if not more-so.
The kind of attitude Consular is displaying is the kind of attitude that Lazarenes are now regretting.

The alternative would be to judge Elegarth for crimes he has no yet committed and may never commit. I refuse to do that.

Better to trust and be disappointed than never know trust at all.

It's not true that you can only trust Elegarth completely, or not at all. What is true, however, is that a healthy dose of mistrust would have saved Lazarus and can protect TWP from the same fate.

[Solorni]

I can only imagine this was the thinking of Lazarus before, well, you know.

It absolutely was. Stu was as trusted in Lazarus as Elegarth is in TWP, if not more-so.
The kind of attitude Consular is displaying is the kind of attitude that Lazarenes are now regretting.

Basically we should trust no one and everyone is Machiavellian in the sense of the Prince

[Consular]

The alternative would be to judge Elegarth for crimes he has no yet committed and may never commit. I refuse to do that.

Better to trust and be disappointed than never know trust at all.

It's not true that you can only trust Elegarth completely, or not at all. What is true, however, is that a healthy dose of mistrust would have saved Lazarus and can protect TWP from the same fate.

"Mistrust" would not have saved Lazarus.

[RiderSyl]

It absolutely was. Stu was as trusted in Lazarus as Elegarth is in TWP, if not more-so.
The kind of attitude Consular is displaying is the kind of attitude that Lazarenes are now regretting.

Basically we should trust no one and everyone is Machiavellian in the sense of the Prince

Yes, except limit "everyone" to "Former NPO Senators".

It's not true that you can only trust Elegarth completely, or not at all. What is true, however, is that a healthy dose of mistrust would have saved Lazarus and can protect TWP from the same fate.

"Mistrust" would not have saved Lazarus.

No. Mistrust would have saved Lazarus.

[Solorni]

Well let's not forget that members of the PRL such as dyp and Harmoneia betrayed the trust of people like NES. So its not like the PRL exactly has been worthy of trust either. One could say it is the culture of lazarus which is why this sort of thing happens there often.

[Great Brigantia]

Well let's not forget that members of the PRL such as dyp and Harmoneia betrayed the trust of people like NES. So its not like the PRL exactly has been worthy of trust either. One could say it is the culture of lazarus which is why this sort of thing happens there often.

One could say that.

One could also move past things that happened two years ago and focus on doing what's best for Lazarus and the other Feeders and Sinkers, including Balder, now, in 2015. Had everyone gotten this bogged down in Osiris' past and how many people Osiris had offended, back in 2013, it would probably be the Osiris Imperium governing the region right now. Instead, regions were bold enough to do what was best for Osiris and its surrounding Feeders and Sinkers, and the region now has an active, relatively stable liberal democratic government and community. Some of us are missing an opportunity to work toward that in Lazarus in favor of continuing to complain about events two years in the past.

[Gradea]

Well let's not forget that members of the PRL such as dyp and Harmoneia betrayed the trust of people like NES. So its not like the PRL exactly has been worthy of trust either. One could say it is the culture of lazarus which is why this sort of thing happens there often.

I would like to create a Republic of Lazarus with no ideology but I really don't have the time.

[Drop Your Pants]

Well let's not forget that members of the PRL such as dyp and Harmoneia betrayed the trust of people like NES. So its not like the PRL exactly has been worthy of trust either. One could say it is the culture of lazarus which is why this sort of thing happens there often.

I'm not a member of the PRL anymore so thats one hurdle down Not sure about Harmie but her main is in TWP with me.

[Drakezia]

Afyer things cool down, I am sure we can work out your return

[Drop Your Pants]

Afyer things cool down, I am sure we can work out your return

There's only two players i'd rejoin Lazarus for, and they're both long gone Both were raiders weirdly.