Infantry Discussion Thread 6: True Korea Edition

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

So that was you hiding in the dumpster behind my house last week?

I can neither confirm nor deny the validity of your statement.

What kind of cartridge are we talking here again?

7,62x50mm CTA. It fires a heavier, more efficient bullet at a somewhat higher velocity, thus necessitating the recoil reducing measures.

[Mick Swagger]

While that does fix your problem, unless that gun is for issue to short bus drivers, I don't see a purpose for it.

Being more compact and maybe lighter than most, if not all, SMGs of the era makes it useless? I'm sure it would be a fine weapon for downed pilots to use instead of revolvers. It could even be kept in a leg holster of some sort when ejection seats started getting more common, when you didn't need to move your legs to escape the plane.

No.

Being a light, stockless, short-barreled weapon firing an already overpowered cartridge does.

It's going to be utterly uncontrollable.

That short barrel is going to ensure that almost all of the propellant is wasted. Effectively, you will have the power of a light intermediate, but the recoil and blast of a BR cartridge.

And the ammunition, in addition to being pointless due to the short barrel, is going to take up far more space than pilots can afford.

So that was you hiding in the dumpster behind my house last week?

I can neither confirm nor deny the validity of your statement.

D:

What kind of cartridge are we talking here again?

7,62x50mm CTA. It fires a heavier, more efficient bullet at a somewhat higher velocity, thus necessitating the recoil reducing measures.

You don't need that much power ever, unless it's for a marksman rifle or GPMG, in which case recoil doesn't matter as much. Or you're fighting power armor, in which case your troops should have it as well. Scale the cartridge back a bit and you'll be fine.

[Crookfur]

So that was you hiding in the dumpster behind my house last week?

I can neither confirm nor deny the validity of your statement.

What kind of cartridge are we talking here again?

7,62x50mm CTA. It fires a heavier, more efficient bullet at a somewhat higher velocity, thus necessitating the recoil reducing measures.

possibly stick some kind of vented combo supressor/brake on the muzzle?

The thing with traveling chambers is that it does get tricky to use some of the nicer techniques you can use with linear reciproacting actions.

You could just have the whole gun move within its housing sort of like the FG-42/bren stock rpigns but also including the fire control etc.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

No.

Being a light, stockless, short-barreled weapon firing an already overpowered cartridge does.

It's going to be utterly uncontrollable.

That short barrel is going to ensure that almost all of the propellant is wasted. Effectively, you will have the power of a light intermediate, but the recoil and blast of a BR cartridge.

And the ammunition, in addition to being pointless due to the short barrel, is going to take up far more space than pilots can afford.

Eh. While I tend to agree with your criticisms, I feel you may be a tad overbearing. Yes, it'll be a flamethrower in all but name, but it really isn't much worse than any of the dozens of "obrezs" that have slithered their way across the thread. Actually, one could easily make the argument that Ford's thing is better, due to it's semiautomatic nature.

You don't need that much power ever, unless it's for a marksman rifle or GPMG, in which case recoil doesn't matter as much. Or you're fighting power armor, in which case your troops should have it as well. Scale the cartridge back a bit and you'll be fine.

Chill out, it isn't that bad. It fires a 131gr projectile at a velocity of 800m/s, compared to the 7,62x39mm's 122gr at 730m/s.

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possibly stick some kind of vented combo supressor/brake on the muzzle?

Already done

The thing with traveling chambers is that it does get tricky to use some of the nicer techniques you can use with linear reciproacting actions.

That's why I'm planning a bit of a redesign. I'll scrap the entire system and replace it with some flavor of retarded blowback, and make use of the constant recoil principal.

You could just have the whole gun move within its housing sort of like the FG-42/bren stock rpigns but also including the fire control etc.

Probably not. . .

[Mick Swagger]

No.

Being a light, stockless, short-barreled weapon firing an already overpowered cartridge does.

It's going to be utterly uncontrollable.

That short barrel is going to ensure that almost all of the propellant is wasted. Effectively, you will have the power of a light intermediate, but the recoil and blast of a BR cartridge.

And the ammunition, in addition to being pointless due to the short barrel, is going to take up far more space than pilots can afford.

Eh. While I tend to agree with your criticisms, I feel you may be a tad overbearing. Yes, it'll be a flamethrower in all but name, but it really isn't much worse than any of the dozens of "obrezs" that have slithered their way across the thread. Actually, one could easily make the argument that Ford's thing is better, due to it's semiautomatic nature.

The difference is that people who make obrezs are making a joke. It's not intended to be practical. Ford legitimately thinks this is a good idea. If the man would act a little more humble, and take criticism better, maybe people wouldn't be as eager to point out his flaws.

You don't need that much power ever, unless it's for a marksman rifle or GPMG, in which case recoil doesn't matter as much. Or you're fighting power armor, in which case your troops should have it as well. Scale the cartridge back a bit and you'll be fine.

Chill out, it isn't that bad. It fires a 131gr projectile at a velocity of 800m/s, compared to the 7,62x39mm's 122gr at 730m/s.

In which case you don't need recoil reduction.

[Spreewerke]

Said the 7.92x57mm IS to 8mm Mauser.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The difference is that people who make obrezs are making a joke. It's not intended to be practical. Ford legitimately thinks this is a good idea. If the man would act a little more humble, and take criticism better, maybe people wouldn't be as eager to point out his flaws.

That's a bit of politic I refuse to trudge into.

In which case you don't need recoil reduction.

Heavier round, higher velocity, lighter rifle. . . are you quite sure?

[Mick Swagger]

In which case you don't need recoil reduction.

Heavier round, higher velocity, lighter rifle. . . are you quite sure?

You'll be fine.

Weight doesn't matter as much in rifles for recoil control.

That said, I don't see why it needs to be more powerful than 7.62x39mm in the first place, but your gun your call.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

You'll be fine.

A-a-are you sure, Uncle Swagger?

Weight doesn't matter as much in rifles for recoil control.

Perhaps not, but a lighter rifle will have a much sharper kick, which is rather bad for accuracy.

That said, I don't see why it needs to be more powerful than 7.62x39mm in the first place, but your gun your call.

It isn't power so much as accuracy and effective range.

[Mick Swagger]

If you don't get the same treatment for this that Tsavon got for that last retirement joke I'm going to be very disappointed in the ethics of the mod staff.

The difference between them is Spree doesn't make an ass of himself, while Tsavon does it on purpose on a regular basis. He got deleted because of all the other shit he does on top of the retirement "joke".

Pot, kettle, etc.

You'll be fine.

A-a-are you sure, Uncle Swagger?

It'll only hurt at first. Then you'll get used to it.

Weight doesn't matter as much in rifles for recoil control.

Perhaps not, but a lighter rifle will have a much sharper kick, which is rather bad for accuracy.

Not if you train your troops properly. Plus, accuracy is a rather secondary concern for a mainline rifle.

That said, I don't see why it needs to be more powerful than 7.62x39mm in the first place, but your gun your call.

It isn't power so much as accuracy and effective range.

Neither of which are really needed for post-Great War infantry.

[Purpelia]

That's very unlikely to happen unless you have FAMAS syndrome and your rifle rips cases apart.

I intend to use polymer cases. So I have no idea how those would perform.

That said, if you used PCTA and a moving chamber action, you could mose def do it. In fact, that wouldn't be a bad way to do it.

What is PCTA and I have newer heard of a gun with a moving chamber. At least not one that is refereed to as such. I know the chamber technically moves in various recoil actions. But those are usually referred to by name. So do tell more!

[Mick Swagger]

That's very unlikely to happen unless you have FAMAS syndrome and your rifle rips cases apart.

I intend to use polymer cases. So I have no idea how those would perform.

That said, if you used PCTA and a moving chamber action, you could mose def do it. In fact, that wouldn't be a bad way to do it.

What is PCTA and I have never heard of a gun with a moving chamber. Do tell more!

PCTA: polymer-cased telescoping ammunition

Moving chamber action: https://youtu.be/2Owogu_un7s

Theoretically, you could have the magazine behind the chamber, and when a fresh round is rammed in while the chamber is down, the empty would be kicked out into a chute under the barrel.

[Mick Swagger]

It'll only hurt at first. Then you'll get used to it.

Read it in Sako-chan's voice. Feeling both frightened and aroused.

You're mine, my little bunny rabbit!

[Purpelia]

PCTA: polymer-cased telescoping ammunition

Ah that. I know of it, just not of the acronym. Anyway, I intend to just use a regular non telescoped polymer cased round. Purpelia must not be too advanced after all.

Moving chamber action: https://youtu.be/2Owogu_un7s

That thing is interesting. But I do not think it would work with regular case shapes.

Theoretically, you could have the magazine behind the chamber, and when a fresh round is rammed in while the chamber is down, the empty would be kicked out into a chute under the barrel.

I am not sure I get it. But it's late. I will think on it and see if I can get it tomorrow.

[Mick Swagger]

PCTA: polymer-cased telescoping ammunition

Ah that. I know of it, just not of the acronym. Anyway, I intend to just use a regular non telescoped polymer cased round. Purpelia must not be too advanced after all.

Moving chamber action: https://youtu.be/2Owogu_un7s

That thing is interesting. But I do not think it would work with regular case shapes.

Theoretically, you could have the magazine behind the chamber, and when a fresh round is rammed in while the chamber is down, the empty would be kicked out into a chute under the barrel.

I am not sure I get it. But it's late. I will think on it and see if I can get it tomorrow.

If you're stuck on regular case shapes, you could always miniaturize the Vickers-Maxim and use a top-mounted magazine. Maybe like a toggle-locking P90....

Wait.

Toggle-locking P90.

I don't know whether to get hard or throw up....

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Said the 7.92x57mm IS to 8mm Mauser.

*** 3 day ban *** Given player history, and instructions on account, this is what I'm going with. No deletions, much to the dismay of some, but then this is why we keep records of things on the back end. So we make an honest attempt at even-handed treatment. Spree's record, that I'm aware of, does not warrant further action at this time. If Trans feels this is insufficient, and has more information to share concerning it, I'm more than happy to comply. Thanks folks.

[Purpelia]

Well my current rifle design (the one that I am about to post these days) is basically a roller locked striker fired AK in 7.5 Swiss.

[Mick Swagger]

Well my current rifle design (the one that I am about to post these days) is basically a roller locked striker fired AK in 7.5 Swiss.

That's pretty special snowflake, I'll give you that, but it would be even more special snowflake if it was a toggle-locked P90 in 7.5x54mm MAS.

But then you're fapping to /d/

/d/?

What do I look like, a pleb?

No comment.

[Purpelia]

Well my current rifle design (the one that I am about to post these days) is basically a roller locked striker fired AK in 7.5 Swiss.

That's pretty special snowflake, I'll give you that, but it would be even more special snowflake if it was a toggle-locked P90 in 7.5x54mm MAS.

I am generally not a fan of toggle locked stuff. Am even looking at obscure old MGs to avoid using a maxim in WW1. Also, the P90 is just strange. Although I imagine that a full on CTA P90 might be a good rifle.

[San-Silvacian]

This thread is a good reason on why I support the euthanasia of the mentally ill at young ages.

[Mick Swagger]

That's pretty special snowflake, I'll give you that, but it would be even more special snowflake if it was a toggle-locked P90 in 7.5x54mm MAS.

I am generally not a fan of toggle locked stuff. Am even looking at obscure old MGs to avoid using a maxim in WW1. Also, the P90 is just strange. Although I imagine that a full on CTA P90 might be a good rifle.

The Vickers-Maxim is the most reliable gun ever, period. Also #ImperialAsFuck

P90 a shit in any form. That magazine is a retarded segway. Also pdws/smgs can get rekt, just issue intermediate caliber carbines.

[Fordorsia]

The stock stays folded open with a screw that screws into an extension of the stock that goes into the grip section, but how could I keep it folded?

The difference between them is Spree doesn't make an ass of himself, while Tsavon does it on purpose on a regular basis. He got deleted because of all the other shit he does on top of the retirement "joke".

Pot, kettle, etc.

I try to get myself banned by annoying as many people as possible and contributing next to nothing? You've truly opened my eyes.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

This thread is a good reason on why I support the euthanasia of the mentally ill at young ages.

*** Player deleted *** due to history and comment. And in the meantime, I'm closing this for a cleanup. This is supposed to be about infantry discussion, not what who faps to, and other bs that you folks insist in cluttering it all up with.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

While that does fix your problem, unless that gun is for issue to short bus drivers, I don't see a purpose for it.

See, things like this? Just not cricket. All this sort of chatter needs to stop. Doesn't have a place on this site - something I'm pretty sure the lot of you have been told numerous times.
*** Warned for trolling ***

I try to get myself banned by annoying as many people as possible and contributing next to nothing? You've truly opened my eyes.

*** Warned for Baiting ***

That's why I'm planning a bit of a redesign. I'll scrap the entire system and replace it with some flavor of retarded blowback, and make use of the constant recoil principal.

*** Warned for trolling ***
- same as above comments, pejorative use of 'retarded' just ain't ok, folks.

Keep it clean. Keep it on topic. Knock off the *yoloswagginsmcshrekpantsgaben420blazeitnoscope gamer type talk and behavior (save it for your online gaming exploits, kthx), and try to actually be helpful to one another - which largely seems to happen save for these unfortunate little hiccups y'all seem to have every twice in a while. Thanks.


EDIT: It has been made known to me that I was mistaken in taking a legitimate term and assuming it was a not nice thing to have posted. Apologies to The Archangel Conglomerate - the warning is being removed. Thank you to the players who took the time to notify me as well - it is appreciated. Leaving this here as evidence of said mistake though, so it doesn't get repeated, or swept under the rug.

(* I cannot tell you how many nation names, fields, and all the rest contain these fething references and 'tudes, so help me, there are days when I want to hit the delete button purely out of spite on account. Thank Max for self-control. Grr, argh.)

[Fordorsia]

Would a small hook and ring on the stock and reciever doubled with a spring in the stock's hinge be enough to keep it folded? I figured the hook would hold it there and the spring, which is trying to open the stock, would give it the tension required to keep the hook from coming loose.