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Should we allow the reading of the US Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic?

1. Deport all Arabs.
44
4%
2. Using Arabic to recite the Pledge demeans it.
41
4%
3. I hate all Muslims.
33
3%
4. Now if it were read in Hebrew, that would be okay.
25
2%
5. The Pledge is irrelevant anyway.
169
15%
6. The whole fuss and ado is stupid.
174
16%
7. It must be hard to be a Muslim in America.
125
11%
8. Afghans don't even speak much Arabic!
121
11%
9. Please make the hate go away.
160
15%
10. Isn't the allegiance more important than the language?
202
18%
 
Total votes : 1094

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Postby Dilange » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:28 pm

How dare Muslims try to be patriotic Americans?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:29 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't forget the several hundred Native American languages.

Oh, yeah, those are actually the only real native languages on the American continent. So, once people can recite the pledge in Cherokee, I'll look back on this issue. It's like pouring lemon juice on a grated wound.

Students from the 2013 Cherokee Nation immersion school in Tahlequah, Ok recite the Pledge of Allegiance in the Cherokee Language.
He/Him
We are born of the salt, we are children of the sea
We don't bend our knee to no king or country
So we hoist the Jolly Roger, the colours of the free
And if we hit the gallows that's the way that it must be

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Postby Othelos » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:29 pm

How dumb is that? That tiny town is 20 minutes from my house over in rural Ulster. Not really surprising, honestly.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:30 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Oh, yeah, those are actually the only real native languages on the American continent. So, once people can recite the pledge in Cherokee, I'll look back on this issue. It's like pouring lemon juice on a grated wound.

Students from the 2013 Cherokee Nation immersion school in Tahlequah, Ok recite the Pledge of Allegiance in the Cherokee Language.

Well, I'll be looking back at this issue, then. I'm back! Bring on the arguments!
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:32 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Woh, Arabic is spoken by a bunch of non-Muslims. Congratulations on stereotyping an entire language and making it about Muslims. It might be an oxymoron, but it's the result. I actually don't know anyone in the Conservative party who wants Muslims sent to the deserts of New Mexico. And finally, I had no clue Muslims in America didn't have the same rights as Non-Muslims. Can you show me some federal laws that discriminate against Muslims?


I used Muslims as an example, not because it was about Arabic, but because they are the people facing the most discrimination in the US today. Well, they and a dozen other groups, but they are having among the hardest times. And discrimination doesn't require laws. It requires good men to do nothing. There certainly is discrimination against Muslims in the States, not by law, but by social behaviour. Calm down a bit on that first part there, and realise when I am making a connection and when I'm using an example. Don't jump to conclusions without a good long pole to support your leap.

Also, how can a contradiction in terminus be the result of something? It's literally an impossibility.


Really? Muslims are having the hardest time in the United States? Tell me where they're having a hard time? Income inequality? Education? Nope. Ah you mean they're being discriminated against makes it hard for them? And yet, they're doing equal or above the average American. Care to quantify "good men doing nothing?" Because that's awfully ambiguous to me.

Discrimination against Muslims? Yeah, can you find me a segmented group that isn't discriminated against? Social Behavior is Social Behavior. No one has control over what a large group of people feel or believe. Even other Muslims discriminate against other Muslims.

You still haven't shown me any conservatives who believe we should kick Muslims to the desert either.
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Postby Wanderjar » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:32 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Don't forget the several hundred Native American languages.

Oh, yeah, those are actually the only real native languages on the American continent. So, once people can recite the pledge in Cherokee, I'll look back on this issue. It's like pouring lemon juice on a grated wound.



I am Cherokee, A Native American, and proud American citizen.

(I know right, a Jewish Cherokee Indian...how delightfully bizarre! :p )
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Postby Planita » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:33 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
I used Muslims as an example, not because it was about Arabic, but because they are the people facing the most discrimination in the US today. Well, they and a dozen other groups, but they are having among the hardest times. And discrimination doesn't require laws. It requires good men to do nothing. There certainly is discrimination against Muslims in the States, not by law, but by social behaviour. Calm down a bit on that first part there, and realise when I am making a connection and when I'm using an example. Don't jump to conclusions without a good long pole to support your leap.

Also, how can a contradiction in terminus be the result of something? It's literally an impossibility.


Really? Muslims are having the hardest time in the United States? Tell me where they're having a hard time? Income inequality? Education? Nope. Ah you mean they're being discriminated against makes it hard for them? And yet, they're doing equal or above the average American. Care to quantify "good men doing nothing?" Because that's awfully ambiguous to me.

Discrimination against Muslims? Yeah, can you find me a segmented group that isn't discriminated against? Social Behavior is Social Behavior. No one has control over what a large group of people feel or believe. Even other Muslims discriminate against other Muslims.

You still haven't shown me any conservatives who believe we should kick Muslims to the desert either.

We could show you personally via this thread but all the ultra-conservatives got deleted.

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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:35 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
The use of the word trigger annoys me immensely. I have to watch what I say around you so you don't get offended. This is what the over sensitive liberals created, a World where we restrict our own freedoms so we don't make people remember that they got hurt.


trigger is a word that describes a legitimate phenomenon but is often over used. hearing german being spoken is a real trigger for some older jewish people and i doubt you'd be all "damn liberals!!!" over t hat


And I'd say to my own grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, that being triggered over people speaking a language is retarded and if you encourage the banning of a language to spare your feelings you're an over sensitive nutjob.
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Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

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Postby Wanderjar » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:35 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:You still haven't shown me any conservatives who believe we should kick Muslims to the desert either.



Believe, or openly espouse? ;)
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:36 pm

Planita wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Really? Muslims are having the hardest time in the United States? Tell me where they're having a hard time? Income inequality? Education? Nope. Ah you mean they're being discriminated against makes it hard for them? And yet, they're doing equal or above the average American. Care to quantify "good men doing nothing?" Because that's awfully ambiguous to me.

Discrimination against Muslims? Yeah, can you find me a segmented group that isn't discriminated against? Social Behavior is Social Behavior. No one has control over what a large group of people feel or believe. Even other Muslims discriminate against other Muslims.

You still haven't shown me any conservatives who believe we should kick Muslims to the desert either.

We could show you personally via this thread but all the ultra-conservatives got deleted.


As an actual ultra-conservative, I'm waiting.
Lyras:You know, you're a sick fuck, yes?
Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

Seriong wrote:Ralk isn't a troll, he's just despicable.

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Postby Planita » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:38 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Planita wrote:We could show you personally via this thread but all the ultra-conservatives got deleted.


As an actual ultra-conservative, I'm waiting.

I mean the REALLY far right

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:That "pathetic cult" is the third largest religion.

This is why we're all going to hell. AIDS, Gay Marriage, Greed, Adultery, Submission to false religions by billions of people or lack of religion!!!!!!!!! Let me say a quick prayer. Join me if you wish. Heavenly father, please forgive my fellow brothers and sisters that have failed to submit to you and follow your teachings. Bless those that do submit to you and your teachings. I apologize on the behalf of all Humanity that we have become corrupted by evil and twisted by the works of Satan. Please Help Us.

Amen
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Postby Yalos » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:41 pm

Planita wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
As an actual ultra-conservative, I'm waiting.

I mean the REALLY far right

Christian State of Mississippi wrote:This is why we're all going to hell. AIDS, Gay Marriage, Greed, Adultery, Submission to false religions by billions of people or lack of religion!!!!!!!!! Let me say a quick prayer. Join me if you wish. Heavenly father, please forgive my fellow brothers and sisters that have failed to submit to you and follow your teachings. Bless those that do submit to you and your teachings. I apologize on the behalf of all Humanity that we have become corrupted by evil and twisted by the works of Satan. Please Help Us.

Amen

People like this exist everywhere; good job, you managed to isolate a crazy person on the internet to somehow prove that conservatives want to do nothing but deport and murder Muslims.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:42 pm

Wanderjar wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Oh, yeah, those are actually the only real native languages on the American continent. So, once people can recite the pledge in Cherokee, I'll look back on this issue. It's like pouring lemon juice on a grated wound.



I am Cherokee, A Native American, and proud American citizen.

(I know right, a Jewish Cherokee Indian...how delightfully bizarre! :p )

How delightfully American, I should say. E Pluribus Unum.

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
I used Muslims as an example, not because it was about Arabic, but because they are the people facing the most discrimination in the US today. Well, they and a dozen other groups, but they are having among the hardest times. And discrimination doesn't require laws. It requires good men to do nothing. There certainly is discrimination against Muslims in the States, not by law, but by social behaviour. Calm down a bit on that first part there, and realise when I am making a connection and when I'm using an example. Don't jump to conclusions without a good long pole to support your leap.

Also, how can a contradiction in terminus be the result of something? It's literally an impossibility.


Really? Muslims are having the hardest time in the United States? Tell me where they're having a hard time? Income inequality? Education? Nope. Ah you mean they're being discriminated against makes it hard for them? And yet, they're doing equal or above the average American. Care to quantify "good men doing nothing?" Because that's awfully ambiguous to me.

Discrimination against Muslims? Yeah, can you find me a segmented group that isn't discriminated against? Social Behavior is Social Behavior. No one has control over what a large group of people feel or believe. Even other Muslims discriminate against other Muslims.

You still haven't shown me any conservatives who believe we should kick Muslims to the desert either.

People like these, for instance. You'll find enough if you look around the internet for a while.

Well, they have a hard time, as evidenced by rising anti-Muslim sentiment, Blatant lies told and believed by the American populace, and other interesting statistics
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Postby The 502nd SS » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:42 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Planita wrote:We could show you personally via this thread but all the ultra-conservatives got deleted.


As an actual ultra-conservative, I'm waiting.

I'm also waiting
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:46 pm

Planita wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
As an actual ultra-conservative, I'm waiting.

I mean the REALLY far right

Christian State of Mississippi wrote:This is why we're all going to hell. AIDS, Gay Marriage, Greed, Adultery, Submission to false religions by billions of people or lack of religion!!!!!!!!! Let me say a quick prayer. Join me if you wish. Heavenly father, please forgive my fellow brothers and sisters that have failed to submit to you and follow your teachings. Bless those that do submit to you and your teachings. I apologize on the behalf of all Humanity that we have become corrupted by evil and twisted by the works of Satan. Please Help Us.

Amen


You mean ultra-religious.

Ultra-conservatism and religious hatred are two separate things. From the looks of Christian State of Mississippi his hatred comes from the religious belief and not from the Ultra-Conservative beliefs.
Lyras:You know, you're a sick fuck, yes?
Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

Seriong wrote:Ralk isn't a troll, he's just despicable.

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Postby The Sapiens » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:54 pm

Libacur wrote:1,2,3,5 and 8 are the options I picked. I personally despise the Muslims, not so much the Arabs but I dislike them too.

What religion are you?

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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:54 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Wanderjar wrote:

I am Cherokee, A Native American, and proud American citizen.

(I know right, a Jewish Cherokee Indian...how delightfully bizarre! :p )

How delightfully American, I should say. E Pluribus Unum.

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Really? Muslims are having the hardest time in the United States? Tell me where they're having a hard time? Income inequality? Education? Nope. Ah you mean they're being discriminated against makes it hard for them? And yet, they're doing equal or above the average American. Care to quantify "good men doing nothing?" Because that's awfully ambiguous to me.

Discrimination against Muslims? Yeah, can you find me a segmented group that isn't discriminated against? Social Behavior is Social Behavior. No one has control over what a large group of people feel or believe. Even other Muslims discriminate against other Muslims.

You still haven't shown me any conservatives who believe we should kick Muslims to the desert either.

People like these, for instance. You'll find enough if you look around the internet for a while.

Well, they have a hard time, as evidenced by rising anti-Muslim sentiment, Blatant lies told and believed by the American populace, and other interesting statistics


You still haven't shown me an actual significant conservative group advocating for the removal of Muslims; but since you seem to have a belief that Conservatives are bad because a minority of them belief in something outrageous. I'll make it easy: according to the Pew Research 14% of Muslims world-wide believe terrorism is justified. Find me a statistic that shows that 14% of American conservatives believe Muslims should be deported. Should be easy enough.
http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... df#page=60
Lyras:You know, you're a sick fuck, yes?
Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

Seriong wrote:Ralk isn't a troll, he's just despicable.

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Postby Americanada » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:58 pm

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Anollasia wrote:I don't understand the problem.

pretty much. Maybe because I'm not that patriotic although the phrase "under Allah" raised by eyebrow.

Oh no Arabic! Burn them!


Yeah, that was probably the reason. Since they heard "Allah" (if I am understanding the translation correctly, "allah" being of similar usage in that it can refer to both deities in general and YHWH), they flipped-out almost as though it was a terrible idea to introduce religious nationalism into what was just an expression of civic nationalism as expression of the social contract.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:59 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:How delightfully American, I should say. E Pluribus Unum.


People like these, for instance. You'll find enough if you look around the internet for a while.

Well, they have a hard time, as evidenced by rising anti-Muslim sentiment, Blatant lies told and believed by the American populace, and other interesting statistics


You still haven't shown me an actual significant conservative group advocating for the removal of Muslims; but since you seem to have a belief that Conservatives are bad because a minority of them belief in something outrageous. I'll make it easy: according to the Pew Research 14% of Muslims world-wide believe terrorism is justified. Find me a statistic that shows that 14% of American conservatives believe Muslims should be deported. Should be easy enough.
http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... df#page=60

Look here, I'm not actually saying conservatives are bad by definition. They are wrong by definition, but that's something completely different. I used a few examples and exaggerations. There are not a lot of people actually advocating for those camps. But there are a lot of conservative news outlets discussing the idea of making Muslims a sort of second class citizen, or restricting their rights in one way or another. On the other hand, you proclaimed all liberals to be light-hearted idiots because you thought getting annoyed by language was something 'liberals would do', even when this issue was largely brought about by conservatives.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:23 pm

These people do realize there are Arabic Americans right? So why fucking bitch that they said the pledge of allegiance in Arabic? The pledge is what should be important (though i personally dont give a rats ass about them half of the time) not the language they said it in.
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:26 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
You still haven't shown me an actual significant conservative group advocating for the removal of Muslims; but since you seem to have a belief that Conservatives are bad because a minority of them belief in something outrageous. I'll make it easy: according to the Pew Research 14% of Muslims world-wide believe terrorism is justified. Find me a statistic that shows that 14% of American conservatives believe Muslims should be deported. Should be easy enough.
http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... df#page=60

Look here, I'm not actually saying conservatives are bad by definition. They are wrong by definition, but that's something completely different. I used a few examples and exaggerations. There are not a lot of people actually advocating for those camps. But there are a lot of conservative news outlets discussing the idea of making Muslims a sort of second class citizen, or restricting their rights in one way or another. On the other hand, you proclaimed all liberals to be light-hearted idiots because you thought getting annoyed by language was something 'liberals would do', even when this issue was largely brought about by conservatives.


Wrong by definition? How are conservatives wrong by definition? So I'm guessing that by that standard, Muslims are wrong by definition?

You provided no real examples and instead provided mostly exaggerations. You haven't shown me even a minor group of people who consider themselves conservatives to want a camp of any sort for Muslims. What conservative news outlets are discussing wanting Muslims to be second class citizens? I never proclaimed all liberals, I specifically blamed over-sensitive liberals who advocated political correctness, which created the current situation.

Furthermore, if you honestly believe conservatives are wrong by definition, wouldn't the logical next step be to remove their right to influence politics/culture/everything. Because it doesn't make much sense to let a bunch of people you believe to be wrong, to have a voice would it?
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Lyras:You know, you're a sick fuck, yes?
Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

Seriong wrote:Ralk isn't a troll, he's just despicable.

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:10 pm

This was just a lesson on international languages. They do not regularly say it in Arabic.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:32 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
trigger is a word that describes a legitimate phenomenon but is often over used. hearing german being spoken is a real trigger for some older jewish people and i doubt you'd be all "damn liberals!!!" over t hat


And I'd say to my own grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, that being triggered over people speaking a language is retarded and if you encourage the banning of a language to spare your feelings you're an over sensitive nutjob.

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Herskerstad
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:08 am

Has to be the single most broken poll in NS history, well done.

As far as the topic is concerned. Sure, I'd have it go in English, but they can swear on whatever God they are most closely associated with as such would only make sense. Or they can swear on their mothers if they'd rather commit Shirk which I'd expect a comical amount of them to do.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:14 am

Herskerstad wrote:Has to be the single most broken poll in NS history, well done.

As far as the topic is concerned. Sure, I'd have it go in English, but they can swear on whatever God they are most closely associated with as such would only make sense. Or they can swear on their mothers if they'd rather commit Shirk which I'd expect a comical amount of them to do.

The thing is, there is no difference between God and Allah. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. If you swear on the constitution, I swear on the 'grondwet'. The same goes for God and Allah. There is no difference. Well, just in their perception of God, but that differs among Christians as well.
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