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US mom faces prison for blocking son’s circumcision

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Who do you support in this?

The mother, in keeping 4yr old son from being circumcised.
10
9%
The father, in wanting his 4yr old son circumcised.
4
4%
The judge, in intending to enforce the circumcision of same child.
8
7%
The right of the child to decide for himself when old enough.
23
21%
Banning circumcision entirely.
6
5%
Allowing parents to choose for children.
11
10%
Allowing circumcision, but only for religious reasons.
11
10%
Allowing with consent of person being circumcised only.
37
34%
 
Total votes : 110

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US mom faces prison for blocking son’s circumcision

Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:22 pm

http://rt.com/usa/238661-circumcision-f ... er-prison/
http://www.local10.com/news/south-flori ... y/31657812
A mother who has taken flight with her son to prevent his circumcision could face a prison sentence if she fails have the boy undergo the procedure, a judge ruled. The case, which began as a domestic dispute between Heather Hironimus and her husband, Dennis Nebus, over whether or not to circumcise their four-year-old son. The judge, meanwhile, is determined to ensure that the child undergoes the medical process to have his foreskin removed. Although still common practice in the United States, circumcision rates have begun to decline as some medical studies indicate the procedure may carry some risks.

Has this occurrence affected your support for assault? Remember that a cosmetic procedure, if unwilling, is still an assault. It should be interesting to hear people justify his rape to him in a few years, if such a pathologically effected union can continue for that long - in Europe there has been talk of bans, but for some in the United States any normalized thing can be forced on a person as long as it can be glossed as "perhaps not so harmful."

Remember, the prostate can also develop cancer.

Added Information - this is a medical situation for the child in question, something the OP did not include:
Phimosis (/fɪˈmoʊsɨs/ or /faɪˈmoʊsɨs/), from the Greek phimos (φῑμός ["muzzle"]), is a condition of the penis where the foreskin cannot be fully retracted over the glans penis. The term may also refer to clitoral phimosis in women, whereby the clitoral hood cannot be retracted, limiting exposure of the glans clitoridis.

At birth, the foreskin is fused to the glans and is not retractable. Huntley et al. state that "non-retractability can be considered normal for males up to and including adolescence."

Normal developmental non-retractability does not cause any problems. Phimosis is deemed pathological when it causes problems, such as difficulty urinating or performing common sexual functions. There are numerous causes of so-called pathological phimosis. Nonsurgical treatment involves the stretching of the foreskin, steroid creams and changing masturbation habits. Surgical treatments include preputioplasty and circumcision.

Physiologic phimosis, common in males 10 years of age and younger, is normal, and does not require intervention. Non-retractile foreskin usually becomes retractable during the course of puberty.


If phimosis in older children or adults is not causing acute and severe problems, nonsurgical measures may be effective. Choice of treatment is often determined by whether circumcision is viewed as an option of last resort to be avoided or as the preferred course.

The most acute complication is paraphimosis. In this condition, the glans is swollen and painful, and the foreskin is immobilized by the swelling in a partially retracted position. The proximal penis is flaccid. Some studies found phimosis to be a risk factor for urinary retention and carcinoma of the penis.
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Postby Romalae » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:23 pm

The poll's question is a loaded question.
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Postby New DeCapito » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:24 pm

Why is America screwed up like this?
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Postby Arlenton » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:25 pm

Don't force it and don't ban it.

And this situation is pretty messed up....

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Postby Zakuvia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:26 pm

Romalae wrote:The poll's question is a loaded question.


Very. I'd recommend you change it.

I can't read the article on this machine, so I need to ask: is there a valid medical reason why the judge declared the boy needed to be circumcised? Also, does the father have full/joint custody?
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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:27 pm

Romalae wrote:The poll's question is a loaded question.

No, rather, your mind is loaded. Remember that a cosmetic procedure, if unwilling, is still an assault.

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Postby Shilya » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:28 pm

Here's an important bit that you've left out.

A pediatrician had diagnosed the son as having phimosis, a condition that prevents retraction of the foreskin.


As such, there's a medical condition present. Given that, I support the decision of the court. Otherwise, I wouldn't.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:28 pm

Romalae wrote:The poll's question is a loaded question.

I suspect the OP is employing a puppet in order to express a controversial opinion without suffering any reputational consequences.


What do you mean "reputational" isn't a word? Fuck you, Firefox dictionary.
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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:28 pm

Zakuvia wrote:I can't read the article on this machine, so I need to ask: is there a valid medical reason why the judge declared the boy needed to be circumcised?

He has phimosis, but I'm told phimosis often corrects itself.

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Postby Romalae » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:28 pm

DaAngou14 wrote:
Romalae wrote:The poll's question is a loaded question.

No, rather, your mind is loaded. Remember that a cosmetic procedure, if unwilling, is still an assault.

I never even stated my opinion. But regardless of it, it's still a loaded question.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:28 pm

New DeCapito wrote:Why is America screwed up like this?

Because we are the only country where genital scarring, cutting, or mutilation occurs. Or are you just going to ignore all the nations where FGM, MGM, and Subincision occur?
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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:28 pm

Circumcision is mutilation, and to this day I have no clue why it is so widely practiced in the US but nowhere else in the developed world.

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Postby New DeCapito » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:29 pm

DaAngou14 wrote:
Romalae wrote:The poll's question is a loaded question.

No, rather, your mind is loaded. Remember that a cosmetic procedure, if unwilling, is still an assault.

No, really. Circumcision is just something we have opinions on. Assault is agreed by most people to be bad. It rather biases people to the negative side.
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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:29 pm

Ifreann wrote:I suspect the OP is employing a puppet in order to express a controversial opinion without suffering any reputational consequences.

I don't make any long-lasting accounts here, I do other things.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:30 pm

DaAngou14 wrote:
Zakuvia wrote:I can't read the article on this machine, so I need to ask: is there a valid medical reason why the judge declared the boy needed to be circumcised?

He has phimosis, but I'm told phimosis often corrects itself.

Told by whom?


Devvo Mate wrote:Circumcision is mutilation, and to this day I have no clue why it is so widely practiced in the US but nowhere else in the developed world.

I've heard in other threads on the subject that the practice began as a campaign to prevent boys from masturbating. I've also heard that it didn't work.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:30 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:Circumcision is mutilation, and to this day I have no clue why it is so widely practiced in the US but nowhere else in the developed world.

That's debatable.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:30 pm

Circumcision, particularly in this case, is not a purely cosmetic procedure.
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Postby New DeCapito » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:30 pm

Benuty wrote:
New DeCapito wrote:Why is America screwed up like this?

Because we are the only country where genital scarring, cutting, or mutilation occurs. Or are you just going to ignore all the nations where FGM, MGM, and Subincision occur?

I recognise that other countries allow things like this. What I don't like is that the judge is forcing this to happen.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:31 pm

Benuty wrote:
Devvo Mate wrote:Circumcision is mutilation, and to this day I have no clue why it is so widely practiced in the US but nowhere else in the developed world.

That's debatable.

I imagine it happens quite a bit in Israel, though perhaps not for the same reasons.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
DaAngou14 wrote:He has phimosis, but I'm told phimosis often corrects itself.

Told by whom?


Devvo Mate wrote:Circumcision is mutilation, and to this day I have no clue why it is so widely practiced in the US but nowhere else in the developed world.

I've heard in other threads on the subject that the practice began as a campaign to prevent boys from masturbating. I've also heard that it didn't work.

I suspect that's why they moved on to mechanisms eerily similar to female chastity devices, and of-course Graham Crackers.
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Postby Devvo Mate » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:32 pm

Benuty wrote:That's debatable.


Where else? Israel it's probably very common, so that's two, maybe Canada? Really not the done thing in Europe though.

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Postby Hanchu » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:32 pm

Devvo Mate wrote:Circumcision is mutilation, and to this day I have no clue why it is so widely practiced in the US but nowhere else in the developed world.

It's mutilation Unless the person chooses to have it done , or it's absolutely neccesary , then it's surgery

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Postby DaAngou14 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:33 pm

Scomagia wrote:Circumcision, particularly in this case, is not a purely cosmetic procedure.

Doesn't matter.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:33 pm

DaAngou14 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I suspect the OP is employing a puppet in order to express a controversial opinion without suffering any reputational consequences.

I don't make any long-lasting accounts here, I do other things.

Cool story, bro. Also that 14 in your name seems to be suspect.
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Postby Romalae » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:34 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
DaAngou14 wrote:I don't make any long-lasting accounts here, I do other things.

Cool story, bro. Also that 14 in your name seems to be suspect.

I would lean more on the side of it meaning his age.
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