Good kids all. Minor disagreements, but they can certainly be trusted to govern themselves well enough to avoid a total genocide.
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by The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:14 pm
by Earl of Sandwich IV » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:14 pm
by Benuty » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:15 pm
by The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:16 pm
Benuty wrote:That screaming will haunt my dreams forever.
by Al Nahar » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:16 pm
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Kainesia wrote:
Would ISIS be where they are if America had just left Saddam to his business instead of replacing a tyrannical yet strong government with a sectarian weak government?
When you try and play world police you just create anarchy, and it allows nutters like this to take control.
Everybody cheered on the Libyan rebels, now Benghazi is a jihadist hub and the government is struggling to run the country.
It didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya, and now it's not gonna work in Iraq again. Just leave them the fuck alone to emerge from the dark ages. Just because America has a gargantuan military does not mean it has to be constantly aimed at something.
Saddam was hardly better than ISIS. Letting nutters like saddam take control is not a solution either. He is was force for radicalization, not moderation. "Strong government" only means "government that commits massive human rights violations". That's what you're really trying to say. The new government is "weak" because it doesn't use the same methods saddam used. It did work in Iraq and it did work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya because we actually weren't and aren't there.
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:27 pm
by The New Sea Territory » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:29 pm
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by The Sotoan Union » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:29 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:30 pm
The Sotoan Union wrote:People aren't being forced to watch it. They could always change the channel. But I agree that these videos should be shown. This is happening and you can't pretend it isn't.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:30 pm
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:32 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:If that's your criteria of success, your obviously delusional and stupid.
Then what criteria of success have you been following?
Except for purely military goals, one of those has been an abject failure, one hasn't happened, the third was a temporary fix that's since utterly failed and the fourth is ongoing and possible to wind up as a counterpart to the Iraqi Civil War.
by The Sotoan Union » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:34 pm
If people aren't forced to watch what these fucking monsters are doing, they won't react.
by Kainesia » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:34 pm
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Kainesia wrote:
Would ISIS be where they are if America had just left Saddam to his business instead of replacing a tyrannical yet strong government with a sectarian weak government?
When you try and play world police you just create anarchy, and it allows nutters like this to take control.
Everybody cheered on the Libyan rebels, now Benghazi is a jihadist hub and the government is struggling to run the country.
It didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya, and now it's not gonna work in Iraq again. Just leave them the fuck alone to emerge from the dark ages. Just because America has a gargantuan military does not mean it has to be constantly aimed at something.
Saddam was hardly better than ISIS. Letting nutters like saddam take control is not a solution either. He is was force for radicalization, not moderation. "Strong government" only means "government that commits massive human rights violations". That's what you're really trying to say. The new government is "weak" because it doesn't use the same methods saddam used. It did work in Iraq and it did work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya because we actually weren't and aren't there.
by Earl of Sandwich IV » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:34 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:35 pm
by L Ron Cupboard » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:38 pm
Kainesia wrote: SNIP
by The Rich Port » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:39 pm
by Earl of Sandwich IV » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:44 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:If that's your criteria of success, your obviously delusional and stupid.
Then what criteria of success have you been following?
Except for purely military goals, one of those has been an abject failure, one hasn't happened, the third was a temporary fix that's since utterly failed and the fourth is ongoing and possible to wind up as a counterpart to the Iraqi Civil War.
by Al Nahar » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:44 pm
Kainesia wrote:Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Saddam was hardly better than ISIS. Letting nutters like saddam take control is not a solution either. He is was force for radicalization, not moderation. "Strong government" only means "government that commits massive human rights violations". That's what you're really trying to say. The new government is "weak" because it doesn't use the same methods saddam used. It did work in Iraq and it did work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya because we actually weren't and aren't there.
by Kainesia » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:57 pm
The Rich Port wrote:FAUX News is trying to compete with their biggest business rival, The Best Gore website.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:57 pm
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:Then what criteria of success have you been following?
Except for purely military goals, one of those has been an abject failure, one hasn't happened, the third was a temporary fix that's since utterly failed and the fourth is ongoing and possible to wind up as a counterpart to the Iraqi Civil War.
Both, Iraq and Afghanistan have made massive improvements in terms of human and civil rights in very short time periods. Have they turned into fucking sweden or luxemburg? No, but both societies are lightyears better off compared to the saddam and taliban era. Anybody who denies it is not worth talking to.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Rich Port » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:58 pm
by Kainesia » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:59 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Kainesia wrote:
Well best gore claims the beheadings are faked for unknown sinister purposes, as well as denying the holocaust and all kinds of crazy shit. Even fox doesn't steep that low.
Give them time and enough declining ratings.
Next thing you know, Ann Coulter's gonna show up wearing Ronald Reagan's boxers on her head.
by Romalae » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:04 pm
by Threlizdun » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:12 pm
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