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[Altito Asmoro]

We can solve this problem with not including space colonization.

Considering our current trajectory into the heavens, that's really not much of an option.

We can always put that thing aside.

[Alleniana]

Considering our current trajectory into the heavens, that's really not much of an option.

We can always put that thing aside.

And just ignore a frontier quite literally as important as the New World was to Europeans in the 1500s?

[Altito Asmoro]

We can always put that thing aside.

And just ignore a frontier quite literally as important as the New World was to Europeans in the 1500s?

Alright, we won't ignore it.

But I generally think that China and Russia will rush through the colonization without the need to consult to the other nations and organization. And are we going to include UN as one of the seven (USA, Russia, China, India, EU, Japan, UN) organizations and nations that can go to space?

[Alleniana]

And just ignore a frontier quite literally as important as the New World was to Europeans in the 1500s?

Alright, we won't ignore it.

But I generally think that China and Russia will rush through the colonization without the need to consult to the other nations and organization. And are we going to include UN as one of the seven (USA, Russia, China, India, EU, Japan, UN) organizations and nations that can go to space?

They'll try, perhaps, but it's unrealistic for other entities like the US to not care about it.

[Kryskov]

Considering our current trajectory into the heavens, that's really not much of an option.

I consider it not only an option, but the most likely option. By 2030? Space colonization? That's just nuts, the Moon? Sure. One or two mines? Maybe (unlikely, though).

And just ignore a frontier quite literally as important as the New World was to Europeans in the 1500s?

Except not everyone can afford a $200,000 space ride.

Well, how would you propose ventures into space decide who can mine what?

Am I the damn UN now? Maybe internationally granted contracts? Corporation contracts? I expect, at 2030 (and this is a stretch), a mining company that would export to everyone, maybe through the UN, idk.

[Alleniana]

Considering our current trajectory into the heavens, that's really not much of an option.

I consider it not only an option, but the most likely option. By 2030? Space colonization? That's just nuts, the Moon? Sure. One or two mines? Maybe (unlikely, though).

Well that's where we differ, then.

And just ignore a frontier quite literally as important as the New World was to Europeans in the 1500s?

Except not everyone can afford a $200,000 space ride.

Neither could everyone have afforded a several-month long ship ride, especially while still having enough supplies to not get unhealthy enough as to shorten one's life span.

Well, how would you propose ventures into space decide who can mine what?

Am I the damn UN now? Maybe internationally granted contracts? Corporation contracts? I expect, at 2030 (and this is a stretch), a mining company that would export to everyone, maybe through the UN, idk.

All of those options could easy be considered a "scramble for space". If mining is proved profitable, which will eventually become the case, then it won't be long before everyone wants a contract, or a share in a company that has one. Even if mining isn't profitable by RP's start, it won't be long after the RP starts that it is.

If it's profitable, everyone's going to want a piece. It's as simple as that.

[Caltarania]

but it was about to get sacked, and it was still small and irrelevant

I'm proud of the faekin Bear Flag Revolt, okay? As long as it's California being important...

Unfortunately, all of the Yorkish revolts usually seem to be influenced by something other than regionalism or nationalism.

Pilgrimage of Grace, Harrowing of the North, Stafford and Lovell Rebellion, Yorkshire Rebellion of 1489.

Is East vs West getting a reboot?

I am le lazy.

East vs West

Ours was called "East vs West; Tales of an Alternate Civil War", or something to that descriptor.

Why?

I mean unless the Outer Space Treaty magically blows up...

I do think Buj mentioned the UN becoming ineffective, perhaps certain treaties may also have become so?

That a scramble for space would be plausible, if not likely.

I can see how it's possible (WALL-E is possible too), but I don't see how it's likely, and I really don't see how it would be anywhere near an issue to constitute a scramble for space or anything.

Listen you Yankee Doodle, my and Al are members of former-Imperial states, we know how this kinda shit works, yo.

(jk and /s)

We can solve this problem with not including space colonization.

Considering our current trajectory into the heavens, that's really not much of an option.

It's also like 1000% more boring.

And just ignore a frontier quite literally as important as the New World was to Europeans in the 1500s?

Alright, we won't ignore it.

But I generally think that China and Russia will rush through the colonization without the need to consult to the other nations and organization. And are we going to include UN as one of the seven (USA, Russia, China, India, EU, Japan, UN) organizations and nations that can go to space?

Did Russia's economy ever recover?

It's like China, India and the EU would be the main perpetrators; the former two have huge populations in regards to population density, and the latter... well... Imperialism.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

We can solve this problem with not including space colonization.

Considering our current trajectory into the heavens, that's really not much of an option.

I say since the United States is the only country to have planted a flag on the moon, they own it (All of the jks)

[The Jonathanian States]

... and the EU ... main perpetrators ... the latter... well... Imperialism.

Seems about right.

[Caltarania]

Considering our current trajectory into the heavens, that's really not much of an option.

I say since the United States is the only country to have planted a flag on the moon, they own it (All of the jks)

IIRC, they were initially going to use the UN Flag in order to show human solidarity. But ehhh...

Getting Reelected > Showing Human Solidarity

Amirite?

... and the EU ... main perpetrators ... the latter... well... Imperialism.

Seems about right.

Not even joking, though, Europe's main advantage is that it is able to rule over places that are not, in fact, Europe and which have decent resources.

[Alleniana]

for spess; USA, EU, Russia, India and China are the ones pretty much guaranteed to be meddlers in that field in future (China, EU and USA more so than the other two), IMO, while powers including but not limited to Argentina, UK, Iran, Japan, Brazil and Canada would be ascendants. Stuff like the pan-Arab agency, possible major leavers of the EU, south Americas and developed Asian countries would begin to make an appearance on the world stage.

[Caltarania]

for spess; USA, EU, Russia, India and China are the ones pretty much guaranteed to be meddlers in that field in future (China, EU and USA more so than the other two), IMO, while powers including but not limited to Argentina, UK, Iran, Japan, Brazil and Canada would be ascendants. Stuff like the pan-Arab agency, possible major leavers of the EU, south Americas and developed Asian countries would begin to make an appearance on the world stage.

inb4 ISIS in Space.

[Alleniana]

for spess; USA, EU, Russia, India and China are the ones pretty much guaranteed to be meddlers in that field in future (China, EU and USA more so than the other two), IMO, while powers including but not limited to Argentina, UK, Iran, Japan, Brazil and Canada would be ascendants. Stuff like the pan-Arab agency, possible major leavers of the EU, south Americas and developed Asian countries would begin to make an appearance on the world stage.

inb4 ISIS in Space.

even u polan
even yuo

[Caltarania]

inb4 ISIS in Space.

even u polan
even yuo

polan can into wormhole

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

even u polan
even yuo

polan can into wormhole

I won my first civ 5 emperor game with poland into space

[Alleniana]

polan can into wormhole

I won my first civ 5 emperor game with poland into space

i won my first civ 5-
wait i've never done that

[Caltarania]

I won my first civ 5 emperor game with poland into space

i won my first civ 5-
wait i've never done that

hhahahahahahahaha aghuegheaugheuahe

[Altito Asmoro]

I won my first civ 5 emperor game with poland into space

i won my first civ 5-
wait i've never done that

I never won my first MTW2 with Poland.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

i won my first civ 5-
wait i've never done that

hhahahahahahahaha aghuegheaugheuahe

My first game of BNW I got the medal Soma Tablets for everyone...

[Alleniana]

Anybody got a strategy for Scandinavia in EU4? I can never really get past forming it and taking parts of the Baltic/New World, because everyone else always has a biggur army.

[Caltarania]

Anybody got a strategy for Scandinavia in EU4? I can never really get past forming it and taking parts of the Baltic/New World, because everyone else always has a biggur army.

First move should always be to crush Novgorod and Muscovy ASAP. Try to ally with Polan/Lithuania in order to do this, should be easier for you what with you sharing the same religion. Prevent Russia from ever forming by either annexing/puppeting large chunks of Novgorod and Muscovy.

[Alleniana]

Anybody got a strategy for Scandinavia in EU4? I can never really get past forming it and taking parts of the Baltic/New World, because everyone else always has a biggur army.

First move should always be to crush Novgorod and Muscovy ASAP. Try to ally with Polan/Lithuania in order to do this, should be easier for you what with you sharing the same religion. Prevent Russia from ever forming by either annexing/puppeting large chunks of Novgorod and Muscovy.

Russia is actually amazingly not a threat, since Uzbek managed to crush Muscovy; I stole some chunks of Karelia, Kola, etc. (including Neva) so I'm happy with leaving them alone for now. Thing is that I'm trying to make inroads elsewhere, and the HRE is just a big Austria-protected mess (with stronk Hansa allied with England and Poland thrown in), my ally France is remarkably weak (Austrian lowlands & Burgundy, plus random blobs taken by Spain), Spain still hates me and has a way larger navy, and Poland's Baltic is a potential target, but not that juicy considering their culture and allies. I've taken Highlands + Aberdeen from England, but even when they're experiencing Civil War, my army isn't good enough to beat them and their allies. Nor my fleet, mostly.

[The Jonathanian States]

i won my first civ 5-
wait i've never done that

I never won my first MTW2 with Poland.

Hey, me neither! *highfives*

i won my first civ 5-
wait i've never done that

hhahahahahahahaha aghuegheaugheuahe

hahahahahahahhahahahaahhahahaha

polan can into wormhole

I won my first civ 5 emperor game with poland into space

Bah, Humbug! Now stop spreading lies and get back to wörk for making euromoniez.

even u polan
even yuo

polan can into wormhole

Obligatory

I won my first civ 5 emperor game with poland into space

i won my first civ 5-
wait i've never done that

*pats on back* Don't worry Al, in time everybody wins a civ 5 emp.... wait a second.

Anybody got a strategy for Scandinavia in EU4? I can never really get past forming it and taking parts of the Baltic/New World, because everyone else always has a biggur army.

I heard quantity was a must for the nordics.

[Caltarania]

First move should always be to crush Novgorod and Muscovy ASAP. Try to ally with Polan/Lithuania in order to do this, should be easier for you what with you sharing the same religion. Prevent Russia from ever forming by either annexing/puppeting large chunks of Novgorod and Muscovy.

Russia is actually amazingly not a threat, since Uzbek managed to crush Muscovy; I stole some chunks of Karelia, Kola, etc. (including Neva) so I'm happy with leaving them alone for now. Thing is that I'm trying to make inroads elsewhere, and the HRE is just a big Austria-protected mess (with stronk Hansa allied with England and Poland thrown in), my ally France is remarkably weak (Austrian lowlands & Burgundy, plus random blobs taken by Spain), Spain still hates me and has a way larger navy, and Poland's Baltic is a potential target, but not that juicy considering their culture and allies. I've taken Highlands + Aberdeen from England, but even when they're experiencing Civil War, my army isn't good enough to beat them and their allies. Nor my fleet, mostly.

Just leave the hellhole that is Europe and go into India.

[Caltarania]

By the way, a must have BNW mod: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=528549