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Postby Herargon » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:50 pm

>implying north korea has common internet
> implying that they have more than 800 people using it
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Postby Imperial--japan » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:52 pm

Given what I remember from '60 minutes'. North Korea has large complexes and military installations dedicated to nothing but Internet hacking and that sort. At least something happened.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:53 pm

Fortschritte wrote:This will directly affect 50 people at the most.

^This^. Anyway, I love the way NK is immediately implicated, I'm sceptical that the NK regime has the capability of implementing such an attack outside NK borders.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:55 pm

Parti Ouvrier wrote:^This^. Anyway, I love the way NK is immediately implicated, I'm sceptical that the NK regime has the capability of implementing such an attack outside NK borders.


Because you're mistaking civilian and military capabilities.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:02 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Parti Ouvrier wrote:^This^. Anyway, I love the way NK is immediately implicated, I'm sceptical that the NK regime has the capability of implementing such an attack outside NK borders.


Because you're mistaking civilian and military capabilities.

Let's exaggerate the military threat from NK shall we? :roll:
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Parti Ouvrier wrote:^This^. Anyway, I love the way NK is immediately implicated, I'm sceptical that the NK regime has the capability of implementing such an attack outside NK borders.


Because you're mistaking civilian and military capabilities.

In North Korea those are the same.
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Postby Italios » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:02 pm

They're gonna have a heck of a hard time leaking any more movies with the Internet down.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:04 pm

Parti Ouvrier wrote:Let's exaggerate the military threat from NK shall we? :roll:


Let's ignore the fact they've dedicated no small amount of time or money to cyber warfare because they don't have videogames.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:05 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Parti Ouvrier wrote:Let's exaggerate the military threat from NK shall we? :roll:


Let's ignore the fact they've dedicated no small amount of time or money to cyber warfare because they don't have videogames.

Source?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:07 pm

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Postby Solorni » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:09 pm

It is possible that North Korea sponsored a group to perform the hacking of Sony. Given the subject matter of the film, it is quite obvious that this is linked in some way to North Korea and the White House has stated the hackings bore resemblance to prior North Korean attacks. Furthermore, the White House has stated it has other proof without elaborating suggesting possible spies.

As well, North Korea has apparently 1000 unique IPs compared to billions in the United States.
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Postby Beta Test » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:12 pm

Solorni wrote:It is possible that North Korea sponsored a group to perform the hacking of Sony. Given the subject matter of the film, it is quite obvious that this is linked in some way to North Korea and the White House has stated the hackings bore resemblance to prior North Korean attacks. Furthermore, the White House has stated it has other proof without elaborating suggesting possible spies.

As well, North Korea has apparently 1000 unique IPs compared to billions in the United States.

Yeah only government officials are allowed access to the Internet.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:21 pm


We still don't know for certain that NK/B121 were behind this.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/21697 ... angkok.htm
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:22 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Solorni wrote:It is possible that North Korea sponsored a group to perform the hacking of Sony. Given the subject matter of the film, it is quite obvious that this is linked in some way to North Korea and the White House has stated the hackings bore resemblance to prior North Korean attacks. Furthermore, the White House has stated it has other proof without elaborating suggesting possible spies.

As well, North Korea has apparently 1000 unique IPs compared to billions in the United States.

Yeah only government officials are allowed access to the Internet.

Wait, are we upset that it only effected government officials and higher ups and not the common North Korean?

I mean, already it feels like we're in a prankwar with two sovereign nations, is the goal to be as petty as possible?
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Postby Yuketobaniac » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:22 pm

Wait what? north korea has the inter-webs?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:28 pm

Parti Ouvrier wrote:We still don't know for certain that NK/B121 were behind this.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/21697 ... angkok.htm

We don't know for certain that North Korea exists.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:32 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Parti Ouvrier wrote:We still don't know for certain that NK/B121 were behind this.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/21697 ... angkok.htm

We don't do know for certain that North Korea exists.

Fixed, but...

'An investigation by a private cyber-security expert last week concluded that the attack was carried out by a sub-contractor hired by the government of North Korea.
How “DarkSeoul” ties in with Unit 121 — if, in fact, there is any tie — is not yet clear.'

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:34 pm

Parti Ouvrier wrote:Fixed, but...

'An investigation by a private cyber-security expert last week concluded that the attack was carried out by a sub-contractor hired by the government of North Korea.
How “DarkSeoul” ties in with Unit 121 — if, in fact, there is any tie — is not yet clear.'


Which is irrelevant because you didn't ask whodunnit you asked for a source that North Korea has any interest in cyber warfare but it's a moot point because you've convinced me North Korea doesn't exist.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:35 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Yeah only government officials are allowed access to the Internet.

Wait, are we upset that it only effected government officials and higher ups and not the common North Korean?

I mean, already it feels like we're in a prankwar with two sovereign nations, is the goal to be as petty as possible?

It would seem so.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:41 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Parti Ouvrier wrote:Fixed, but...

'An investigation by a private cyber-security expert last week concluded that the attack was carried out by a sub-contractor hired by the government of North Korea.
How “DarkSeoul” ties in with Unit 121 — if, in fact, there is any tie — is not yet clear.'


Which is irrelevant because you didn't ask whodunnit you asked for a source that North Korea has any interest in cyber warfare but it's a moot point because you've convinced me North Korea doesn't exist.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:57 pm

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True. But, that doesn't make you insane.


Right. Just tragically deluded.

I wonder if this retaliatory cyber attack was the work of the US government or of an independent entity?


It's probably just a temporary internet outage and being the idiots they have always been interpreted as a cyber attack from The Imperialist West.

I mean seriously, even their buildings face a power outage every 10 minutes so maybe the same happened to their computers.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:00 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
It's probably just a temporary internet outage and being the idiots they have always been interpreted as a cyber attack from The Imperialist West.


Actually it looks like a fairly simple DOS attack that's working only because their internet infrastructure is a joke.
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Postby The Qocaekian Isles » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:05 pm

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Do you think we'll literally be right next to them? Like geographically right beside them literally looking at what they're doing because otherwise that's just not true.

Yes, the idea is that we send a team over to investigate with them.


Not to be mean, or anti-American, but is ironic how America and NK are the only two countries that directly disobeyed UN orders.

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Postby Roski » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:08 pm

4Chan and Reddit will march, regardless of what the United States says.

But this does leave Sony free to continue to work with "The Interview"

I want to see this fucking movie so bad, so badly that the dictator of "true" korea is so butthurt and willing to go into actions of terrorism against.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:12 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:For the vast number of North Korean citizens this will mean nothing. It will be an annoyance to IT students at North Korean universities though.


If they were to have IT students.
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