Cleaveland Officer Shoots A 12 YEAR OLD

[Soldati Senza Confini]

After checking out more aursoft gun cases like this one there's some remarkable things I've found out.

More often than not, police officers tend to shoot and be more alarmed, and often times are more likely to be ruthless.

"My cousin made the poor choice of taking an Airsoft gun and came out with it," Secrest said.

Hard to feel sorry for him after reading this part.

Then again, the security guard had no real reason to follow them to begin with.

Yes, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. Also, to make the other kids at the household watch as their relative is dying is cold.

And, you're right, the guard had no real reason to follow.

[Olthar]

The kid was black; je clearly deserved it. Sure the gun was fake, but he could have had real ones back home. Sure he was only twelve, but you're never too young to be in a gang. I support the police in their crusade against black people. It's certainly making the world a safer place. Or at least a more aesthetically pleasing place. After all, it's the job of the police to make whitey feel comfortable.

It HAD to be racial motivated right? No other possibility?

Of course it was. Sure, you can come up with an explanation for this one and the next one and every one after that. Every instance of a white cop attacking and/or killing black people can be explained. However, when you look at it as a whole and see just how often this sort of thing happens, it stops being a collection of isolated incidents and becomes a trend.

[The Cobalt Sky]

"Why you can't just say he's a kid (provides examples of very violent acts done by children)"

Here's the problem with your articles:

you're comparing violent crimes to softgun posession.

There's plenty of articles (including one where the police shot a 13 year old Hispanic kid in California for possession of a airsoft Rifle) that you could have selected.

Thank you!

[The blood ravens]

But that's a story about a security guard at an apartment complex not a police officer.

You also got this case which made national news. Notice how the kid was a 13 year old with an airsoft rifle once you begin to read the articles.

It makes no mention of wether or not the blaze orange tip was present on the rifle.

If it was the deputy was at fault. Funny how the picture of it in the article doesn't actually show the orange tip.

[The Cobalt Sky]

It HAD to be racial motivated right? No other possibility?

Of course it was. Sure, you can come up with an explanation for this one and the next one and every one after that. Every instance of a white cop attacking and/or killing black people can be explained. However, when you look at it as a whole and see just how often this sort of thing happens, it stops being a collection of isolated incidents and becomes a trend.

I agree.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It HAD to be racial motivated right? No other possibility?

Of course it was. Sure, you can come up with an explanation for this one and the next one and every one after that. Every instance of a white cop attacking and/or killing black people can be explained. However, when you look at it as a whole and see just how often this sort of thing happens, it stops being a collection of isolated incidents and becomes a trend.

I think that as well as it being a racial issue it also has to do with how the manufacture of airsoft weapons is conducted.

It just doesn't seem right people have to die over carrying a realistic toy weapon.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You also got this case which made national news. Notice how the kid was a 13 year old with an airsoft rifle once you begin to read the articles.

It makes no mention of wether or not the blaze orange tip was present on the rifle.

If it was the deputy was at fault. Funny how the picture of it in the article doesn't actually show the orange tip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Andy_Lopez

The gun didn't have the orange tip.

[Gaiserin]

Hard to feel sorry for him after reading this part.

Then again, the security guard had no real reason to follow them to begin with.

Yes, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. Also, to make the other kids at the household watch as their relative is dying is cold.

And, you're right, the guard had no real reason to follow.

Nah, I understood what you initially meant. I merely felt like making a comment about that case.

I'll second on that "bringing the kids" out point, very odd choice of action.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Of course it was. Sure, you can come up with an explanation for this one and the next one and every one after that. Every instance of a white cop attacking and/or killing black people can be explained. However, when you look at it as a whole and see just how often this sort of thing happens, it stops being a collection of isolated incidents and becomes a trend.

I think that as well as it being a racial issue it also has to do with how the manufacture of airsoft weapons is conducted.

It just doesn't seem right people have to die over carrying a realistic toy weapon.

I've already seen people claiming he pointed it at the cop, and I think at least one person said he had a history of crime. None of that was in the source. How easy it is for people not to read things and to create facts.

[Geilinor]

I think that as well as it being a racial issue it also has to do with how the manufacture of airsoft weapons is conducted.

It just doesn't seem right people have to die over carrying a realistic toy weapon.

I've already seen people claiming he pointed it at the cop

He pointed it at people, but I don't know about the cop. It's hard to tell from the video.

[The blood ravens]

It makes no mention of wether or not the blaze orange tip was present on the rifle.

If it was the deputy was at fault. Funny how the picture of it in the article doesn't actually show the orange tip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Andy_Lopez

The gun didn't have the orange tip.

Then how was the deputy supposed to know it wasn't a real rifle?

[Kravanica]

It was a fake gun....

Holy fucking shit.

Designed to look real.

Anyway, in this case I have to support the officers. They weren't told it was a fake gun, and the article states it was intentionally designed to look real. This is a tragedy, nonetheless.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I think that as well as it being a racial issue it also has to do with how the manufacture of airsoft weapons is conducted.

It just doesn't seem right people have to die over carrying a realistic toy weapon.

I've already seen people claiming he pointed it at the cop, and I think at least one person said he had a history of crime. None of that was in the source. How easy it is for people not to read things and to create facts.

Indeed.

But, at the same time, even if that wasn't the case we can see a pattern:

If you own a airsoft gun that doesn't have the orange cap on you're more prone to get shot without question. It just so happens that being black or another minority increases your chances to get shot at exponentially.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Andy_Lopez

The gun didn't have the orange tip.

Then how was the deputy supposed to know it wasn't a real rifle?

Well, I didn''t say anything about the deputy assuming it wasn't a real rifle.

But it is quite concerning people are getting shot at for playing around with realistic toys.

[Kravanica]

I've already seen people claiming he pointed it at the cop, and I think at least one person said he had a history of crime. None of that was in the source. How easy it is for people not to read things and to create facts.

Indeed.

But, at the same time, even if that wasn't the case we can see a pattern:

If you own a airsoft gun that doesn't have the orange cap on you're more prone to get shot without question. It just so happens that being black or another minority increases your chances to get shot at exponentially.

Statistically, black people a majority of violent crimes in this country so that might have something to do with it.

[The blood ravens]

Then how was the deputy supposed to know it wasn't a real rifle?

Well, I didn''t say anything about the deputy assuming it wasn't a real rifle.

But it is quite concerning people are getting shot at for playing around with realistic toys.

They are required to have an orange tip for a reason.

At a distance without the orange tip it's easy to mistake an air soft gun for a real one.

[Tekania]

It was a fake gun....

Holy fucking shit.

Designed to look real.

Anyway, in this case I have to support the officers. They weren't told it was a fake gun, and the article states it was intentionally designed to look real. This is a tragedy, nonetheless.

Indeed, Airsoft being molded in such a realistic manner combined with the proclivity of use in plastic in modern firearm construction were the prime motivators in the orange tip law for US toy weapons. Once the orange tip is removed or painted over, it becomes very difficult to discern the difference when not in hand of an airsoft gun and a real firearm. While I certainly have removed orange tips from toy weapons of my own (MP Megatron), I certainly would not dream of carrying this thing in a manner in public that could be easily interpreted as being a real weapon.

[Eastern Equestria]

The kid was black; je clearly deserved it.

Strawman.

Sure the gun was fake, but he could have had real ones back home.

Strawman.

Sure he was only twelve, but you're never too young to be in a gang.

Strawman.

I support the police in their crusade against black people.

The frequent and gross incompetence of our nation's police force in their dealings with minorities does not mean there's a crusade against black people.

It's certainly making the world a safer place. Or at least a more aesthetically pleasing place. After all, it's the job of the police to make whitey feel comfortable.

[Kravanica]

The kid was black; je clearly deserved it.

Strawman.

Sure the gun was fake, but he could have had real ones back home.

Strawman.

Sure he was only twelve, but you're never too young to be in a gang.

Strawman.

I support the police in their crusade against black people.

The frequent and gross incompetence of our nation's police force in their dealings with minorities does not mean there's a crusade against black people.

It's certainly making the world a safer place. Or at least a more aesthetically pleasing place. After all, it's the job of the police to make whitey feel comfortable.

I swear, people act like cops just wake up one morning and say to themselves "You know what? Today I'm gonna kill a black kid."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The kid was black; je clearly deserved it.

Strawman.

Sure the gun was fake, but he could have had real ones back home.

Strawman.

Sure he was only twelve, but you're never too young to be in a gang.

Strawman.

I support the police in their crusade against black people.

The frequent and gross incompetence of our nation's police force in their dealings with minorities does not mean there's a crusade against black people.

It's certainly making the world a safer place. Or at least a more aesthetically pleasing place. After all, it's the job of the police to make whitey feel comfortable.

You... you replied to a sarcastic post by pointing out its obvious flaws.

I don't know if NSG can even tell between sarcasm and serious commentary anymore/.

[Eastern Equestria]

Strawman.



Strawman.



Strawman.



The frequent and gross incompetence of our nation's police force in their dealings with minorities does not mean there's a crusade against black people.



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You... you replied to a sarcastic post by pointing out its obvious flaws.

I don't know if NSG can even tell between sarcasm and serious commentary anymore/

Of course it was sarcastic. Do you know how strawmen work?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You... you replied to a sarcastic post by pointing out its obvious flaws.

I don't know if NSG can even tell between sarcasm and serious commentary anymore/

Of course it was sarcastic. Do you know how strawmen work?

Do you know how to make an argument other than doing fallacy bingo?

[Eastern Equestria]

Of course it was sarcastic. Do you know how strawmen work?

Do you know how to make an argument other than doing fallacy bingo?

Well since her post was just one strawman after another without anything inbetween, there's not much you have to do to counter it past simply pointing them out.

[Rizoshia]

The kid was black; je clearly deserved it. Sure the gun was fake, but he could have had real ones back home. Sure he was only twelve, but you're never too young to be in a gang. I support the police in their crusade against black people. It's certainly making the world a safer place. Or at least a more aesthetically pleasing place. After all, it's the job of the police to make whitey feel comfortable.

I'm going to assume that was just poor satire.

[United States Kingdom]

The kid was black; je clearly deserved it. Sure the gun was fake, but he could have had real ones back home. Sure he was only twelve, but you're never too young to be in a gang. I support the police in their crusade against black people. It's certainly making the world a safer place. Or at least a more aesthetically pleasing place. After all, it's the job of the police to make whitey feel comfortable.

This statement is one of the most idiotic, childish, and foolish statements I have seen on NSG.