White People and History

[Kranstentistan]

I'm so glad China is rising in power so that we can finally end this bullshit about white people being the superior race.

Because Asians have never held themselves to be superior to other people.

Wait.

And your point is....?

[FutureAmerica]

I don't know why people keep pointing to China. Africa and India are where power's gonna gather over the next century or so.

You are clearly stupid. Africa and India will become Chinese colonies within our lifetimes. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Go back to school and get an education.

[Kranstentistan]

I don't know why people keep pointing to China. Africa and India are where power's gonna gather over the next century or so.

You are clearly stupid. Africa and India will become Chinese colonies within our lifetimes. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Go back to school and get an education.

"You're stupid if you don't believe in what I believe Africa and India would be like in our lifetimes, which is totally going to happen no matter what!"

[Conserative Morality]

You are clearly stupid. Africa and India will become Chinese colonies within our lifetimes. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Go back to school and get an education.

China's economy rests upon a bubble; her population will not be able to maintain its dependency ratio.

[FutureAmerica]

The Chinese are already colonizing east Africa. They will replicate the British Raj and use India's class divide to colonize. India will host cheap labor and Africa will become a giant mine for China.

Get an education or you'll be like this OP who created this thread.

[Papait]

Well, Europeans, and other whites may have certainly shaped the world as it is today.
Languages and cultures have been shaped by the actions of the white man.
The majority of the people in the world are either Christian or Muslim.
The whole way of life in Africa and the Americas has been shaped by the colonialism of Europe
Some in a positive way, like Mexico, some in a bad way like Africa, and some in a way we can not really decide weather or not it is good or bad like the United States.
But truth is, overhunting by whites, or by other races using technology they got from the Caucasian People.
But while the majority of History may be shaped by the whites;
Islam, Christianity, the Roman empire, imperialism, the Persians, the Crusades
but others like the Mongols and the Chinese have also played a huge part,
in fact, nearly everybody played their part in history.
But truth is, that the whites may have had a bigger part in history how we know it today

Romans were not universally white, most people who care about race count Arabs or Persians as whites (Not that people who care about race are of any concern, really).

Most of the influence of the white people is recent. They were a minor little backwater in a far corner of the world.

Thats what I did.
I count everything from the western Sahara to Turkestan as white.
I also believe that the romans were almost all white

[Forsher]

There are no girls adults on the internet.
Upon joining I made the dumb, dumb mistake of presuming NS would be principally comprised of college students-to-thirtysomethings, like pre-popularized Reddit.

Actually there are a lot of adult women here at NS. Your sexual bigotry needs to stop.

No there aren't. Forum's like 80% male and 50% under the age of 18.

I am 16. So what?

A lot, and I do mean a LOT, happens between the ages of 15 and 25.
And that's not just like, my opinion, man.

People have a regrettable tendency to behave how you expect them to. This is largely because any evidence that conforms with your expectation is remembered. However, it is also because people adapt to the expectations of them. Moral of the story, just because respect must be earned that doesn't mean you don't respect people more generally all the time.

[Papait]

Romans were not universally white, most people who care about race count Arabs or Persians as whites (Not that people who care about race are of any concern, really).

Most of the influence of the white people is recent. They were a minor little backwater in a far corner of the world.

I don't see why we have to be stuck with this "white" label.

We don't distinguish any other species of animals through skin colour, and I don't see why it should be to us anything more than just an arbitrary standard, whose satisfaction has no bearing on personal ability whatsoever. There are more valid subdivision schemes of mankind out there.

We subdivision almost all domesticated animals by race
Dogs, cats, cows, horses.
We like to categorise everything we see

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Romans were not universally white, most people who care about race count Arabs or Persians as whites (Not that people who care about race are of any concern, really).

Most of the influence of the white people is recent. They were a minor little backwater in a far corner of the world.

Thats what I did.
I count everything from the western Sahara to Turkestan as white.
I also believe that the romans were almost all white

Not by the definitions of the most exclusionary whites who argue that ONLY Scandinavian and Germanic whites are white.

[Papait]

Thats what I did.
I count everything from the western Sahara to Turkestan as white.
I also believe that the romans were almost all white

Not by the definitions of the most exclusionary whites who argue that ONLY Scandinavian and Germanic whites are white.

Yes, but those are wrong.
Because when you speak of white, most people mean Caucasian races.
All roman, germanic, Celtic, Nordic, Turkic, Slavic, Aryan and Arabs are considered white,
but it's stupid to categorise in a way to say that only some are true whites. Because then you make white a honorary title, as if its better than other races. It's a pretty wide concept "being white" some may say that only europeans are white, some say only northern europeans are white.
Others may say that Only those from the middle east, north africa and Europe are white.
Or some may have a wider concept like me.
Some may even argue that Somalis and Ethiopians could be considered white as well, since they sometimes have more arabic than african ancestry.
But why should we argue about who qualifies as white.
The topic is about how Europeans and other caucasians had more impact on history than others

[Conserative Morality]

Yes, but those are wrong.
Because when you speak of white, most people mean Caucasian races.
All roman, germanic, Celtic, Nordic, Turkic, Slavic, Aryan and Arabs are considered white,
but it's stupid to categorise in a way to say that only some are true whites. Because then you make white a honorary title, as if its better than other races. It's a pretty wide concept "being white" some may say that only europeans are white, some say only northern europeans are white.
Others may say that Only those from the middle east, north africa and Europe are white.
Or some may have a wider concept like me.
Some may even argue that Somalis and Ethiopians could be considered white as well, since they sometimes have more arabic than african ancestry.
But why should we argue about who qualifies as white.
The topic is about how Europeans and other caucasians had more impact on history than others

Actually, I made it more to argue against the idea that Europeans dominate history/that splitting historical achievements by race is pointless.

[Occidentria]

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Notice tense difference.

Notice broad, highfalutin generalization of Asians as "they" and a dehumanizingly beautified perception of what "they" believe.
Get an Pashtun and a Hmong to wholly agree on even a single cultural tenet of morality and the role and expectations of the individual within the community and give you a shiny new dime.

[Herskerstad]

That brings up an interesting question, do you consider the Greek or Latin regions 'white?' I think one can certainly count the French/Frankish and Anglo ones unless one brings some very selective construct into the word white. Do you count the post-Islamic Iberian peninsula as 'white?' Which will also be core to answering that question you have posed.

I haven't the slightest. I think most people who care about the 'white race' include both Greek and Latin regions, as well as most of the Iberian peninsula. They reserve the right to make accusations of Moorish ancestry, I think.

They could, but I think it would be disingenuous to dismiss the Visigoth culture as backwards despite its strong regional autonomy so to speak.

However, as far as the development of the world goes. I do think the Greek heritage is the greatest intellectual boom of the old world. The advancements made by so few, which I have touched on in the past, is truly disproportional despite them eventually conquering the known world developed world. It is interesting to note that while Aristotle advised Alexander the great to treat the Persians as slaves, he envisioned a joined unity of the nations. Which of course, went to hell as soon as his succession policy, loosely described as 'Let the strongest rule' to the the significant amount of generals he had. It would not be fair to leave out Ancient China in terms of footprint on world technological developments as ancient China was potentially the most progressive for a lengthy period in history, the isolationism and backwardness that followed is truly one of the more sad tales in history if you were to ask me, as if such had not been the case, I could easily imagine a world where Asia reached something equivalent to the industrial revolutions first and potentially thousands of years earlier.

The Roman heritage is obviously one of the most significant in terms of both length, heritage and development. While they more autonomous regions of the empire, be them vassals or protectorates of other kind did not develop at the same speed, imagine how backwards Western Europe would be short of Caesars vision for western Europe. I don't have to go to lenght at how they took and expanded upon Greek knowledge in scope, although, i admittedly think the machinery of the Greeks remained unmatched in terms of their ingenuity until at least the second industrial revolution, which was later dwarfed by the third.

I do personally feel that the French cultural imprint is the 'strongest' in the world. In terms of civic development, their post-Carolingian Renaissance tradition of courts and education. Without Charlemagne I would note it is very, very likely that western Europe would never have caught up with the then far more developed Byzantine Empire. Be that as it may be, the French development of technology is also a very strong throughout said history, and not to mention their military accomplishments, all intended humor aside. Continentally speaking I doubt there was as strong a force until Germany formed much later on the face of Europe.

The developments in Iberia speaks largely for themselves in terms of pure power projection. I love Iberian culture although I do not see it as equal to the French, but between Portugal and Spain just look at how much of the world was to one degree or another subjugated. Their developments in exploration and expansion has a larger footprint than just about any event in the world, despite the natural evils that followed with such subjugation. I could go at length to them, but I doubt there was ever such an age of adventure as the early exploration age they largely helped open. 'And yes, i am well aware of earlier Chinese expeditions reaching nearly Spain, but, the true age of isolationism started shortly after such'

In terms of the overall most significant? I'd have to say the British empire. It is just strong all around. Trade, technology, warfare, culture, civics, world footprint, expansion. While it is true that they siphoned many great developments from Asia in particular their native refinement and in many cases developments is not to be underestimated. Though, their most significant event is largely the expeditions that lead to their colonization of North America, which would later lead to the US forming which is not to be underestimated. The US being a giant that would eventually eclipse their influence on pretty much every front.

I am a germanophile, but I do consider their historical impact to be generally more negative than positive. Looking away from their tribal pasts where they were frankly a pain for the developed southern Europe, since the foundation of Germany they had a disproportionate level of innovation and power projection. The first world war I do consider more as a result of their political system, where the Chancellor refused to listen to the emperor and host a European council to see the events not spiral into war as he largely agreed with the Serbian counter-proposal. The second world war however is quite unforgivable for the German people as a whole. The national enthusiasm post 1933 is truly one of the most sad realizations I've come across looking into it in depth and while the resistance to such should never be forgotten, so should the fact that none of the generals and field marshals that stuck with Hitler to the end and could have prevented much suffering by their own initiative. The nation is obviously far different from the borders after the Franco-prussian war, but even today they are arguably the most significant strictly European nation.

The slavic behemoth Russia cannot be overlooked either and i do feel it would be wrong not to include them in the loose category of 'white' but as far as the European imprint goes on the world and their developments, in the loose definition of 'white' there is nothing comparable looking at the wholeness of history. While I see the 'White' as immaterial in that development, it would require a great deal of historic revisionism, if's and but's to say that they 'IE, predominantly 'white' cultures such as some of the ones mentioned' are average. Generally speaking those with power project it, and had another continent had the same level of power, then they would likely be the first colonizers, have the industrial revolutions, enlightenment, and so fourth.

[Fascistic Republic Of Canada]

Haven't got the proper mutation yet. Give us a few dozen generations; we'll have you sorted out.

Ach! I don't want a mutation. It's not really that important for me to be able to tell races apart.

Then why are you so consigned to blacks, that many have started calling blacks "Ebola-Americans"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ach! I don't want a mutation. It's not really that important for me to be able to tell races apart.

Then why are you so consigned to blacks, that many have started calling blacks "Ebola-Americans"

Sure, let's not count the white and Asian patients who also got infected with Ebola.

Because cherry-picking facts is the greatest accomplishment in anyone's academic history.

[Fascistic Republic Of Canada]

Then why are you so consigned to blacks, that many have started calling blacks "Ebola-Americans"

Sure, let's not count the white and Asian patients who also got infected with Ebola.

Because cherry-picking facts is the greatest accomplishment in anyone's academic history.

It's a joke, don't get so butthurt.

[CTALNH]

If anything, the "Roman culture" has dominated and influenced history the most. Yet Romans weren't exclusively white.

Such an idea also negates contributions from other cultures, e.g. Arabs and algebra.

Next time you do some algebra - thank an Arab.

I think you mean the Greco Roman Culture.

[Fascistic Republic Of Canada]

Power is the only way to measure superiority. Europeans have demonstrated themselves to be the most powerful on the world; the greatest most powerful nations were built by Europeans.

[Dracoria]

Power is the only way to measure superiority. Europeans have demonstrated themselves to be the most powerful on the continent; the greatest most powerful nations were built by Europeans.

I'm sure they have, I'm sure they have.

[CTALNH]

Power is the only way to measure superiority. Europeans have demonstrated themselves to be the most powerful on the continent; the greatest most powerful nations were built by Europeans.

I'm sure they have, I'm sure they have.

In cue:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PqcVro-3f4I

[Fascistic Republic Of Canada]

Power is the only way to measure superiority. Europeans have demonstrated themselves to be the most powerful on the continent; the greatest most powerful nations were built by Europeans.

I'm sure they have, I'm sure they have.

Name one non white country that is more powerful than the top white states.

[CTALNH]

I'm sure they have, I'm sure they have.

Name one non white country that is more powerful than the top white states.

China,India,Pakistan etc etc

[Fascistic Republic Of Canada]

Name one non white country that is more powerful than the top white states.

China,India,Pakistan etc etc

Hahahahaha

China has no retaliatory nuclear capability. It is theoretically possible for Russia or The United States to destroy them without facing a counter strike

Plus their airforce is absolute shit.

India, Pakistan

Poor Nuclear Yield. Pakistan can't even control it's own borders and India is fighting a large scale communist insurgency.

[Dracoria]

I'm sure they have, I'm sure they have.

Name one non white country that is more powerful than the top white states.

On the continent? Not many. There's a world beyond it, though.

[CTALNH]

China,India,Pakistan etc etc

Hahahahaha

China has no retaliatory nuclear capability. It is theoretically possible for Russia or The United States to destroy them without facing a counter strike

Plus their airforce is absolute shit.

India, Pakistan

Poor Nuclear Yield. Pakistan can't even control it's own borders and India is fighting a large scale communist insurgency.

I would advise to cease and desist this line of questioning or the ultra liberal hive mind of nag shall eat you crush you and spit you without warning.