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[Burleson]

Insurance doesn't pay for cigarettes, it just pays for treatments to fix the consequences of smoking.

Same with insurance and abortion, it pays for the treatments to fix the consequences of sex. I fail to see the difference.

Cancer treatments save lives, abortion takes away a life. Cancer treatments are medically necessary, abortion is not. Children often improve lives, cancer destroys them. See the difference yet?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Lansing is the capital. And until artificial placentae are developed and made safe and universally accessible, abortion and contraception are the best options for family planning.

Abortion is not family planning, it's family prevention. Also known as murder.

Not having children at a particular point in time, known as an unplanned pregnancy, via abortion is a form of family planning.

What, you think women become sterile sluts once they go through am abortion?

[The balkens]

Same with insurance and abortion, it pays for the treatments to fix the consequences of sex. I fail to see the difference.

Cancer treatments save lives, abortion takes away a life. Cancer treatments are medically necessary, abortion is not. Children often improve lives, cancer destroys them. See the difference yet?

"Life".

[Burleson]

Abortion is not family planning, it's family prevention. Also known as murder.

Not having children at a particular point in time, known as an unplanned pregnancy, via abortion is a form of family planning.

What, you think women become sterile sluts once they go through am abortion?

When you have an abortion, you prevent the creation of a family. Kids are key parts of families.

[Burleson]

Cancer treatments save lives, abortion takes away a life. Cancer treatments are medically necessary, abortion is not. Children often improve lives, cancer destroys them. See the difference yet?

"Life".

"The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death." - from Google

Fetuses fit this definition pretty well.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not having children at a particular point in time, known as an unplanned pregnancy, via abortion is a form of family planning.

What, you think women become sterile sluts once they go through am abortion?

When you have an abortion, you prevent the creation of a family. Kids are key parts of families.

On which kind of fucked up world does having an abortion means the same as women becoming sterile and being unable to ever have families in the future?

[Atlanticatia]

"Life".

"The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death." - from Google

Fetuses fit this definition pretty well.

Fetuses can do these things?

[Neutraligon]

Same with insurance and abortion, it pays for the treatments to fix the consequences of sex. I fail to see the difference.

Cancer treatments save lives, abortion takes away a life. Cancer treatments are medically necessary, abortion is not. Children often improve lives, cancer destroys them. See the difference yet?

Abortions can save lives, abortions can save minds, abortions can save people financially, abortions can save the government money, lots of it. Children do not always improve lives. They are both medical procedures deemed necessary by the person who want the procedure. I still fail to see a difference.

[Neutraligon]

Not having children at a particular point in time, known as an unplanned pregnancy, via abortion is a form of family planning.

What, you think women become sterile sluts once they go through am abortion?

When you have an abortion, you prevent the creation of a family. Kids are key parts of families.

Kids are a key part of some families, some people don't want kids at all, but do want a family (namely a significant other).

[Burleson]

When you have an abortion, you prevent the creation of a family. Kids are key parts of families.

On which kind of fucked up world does having an abortion means the same as women becoming sterile and being unable to ever have families in the future?

Straw man anyone?? I never said abortion makes women sterile.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death." - from Google

Fetuses fit this definition pretty well.

Fetuses can do these things?

Cells can divide, which is a form of reproduction, they function, and they go through cellular death.

However, his argument is disingenuous since a living being which isnt even developed can't have any sense of self and thus cannot be argued as a thing worthy of rights.

[Manisdog]

What if she's pregnant and just divorced?
1)That's cruel to divorce a pregnant lady

What if she and her partner are not married but yet are in free union?

Considering that this arrangment would be temporary and there is no state garuntee over this, No they should not be allowed.


What if she just wanted to have a child because she wanted the company and a child but wants no man to marry her?

Think of it this way, it takes two hands to clap and it takes two parents to raise a child

What if she and her partner agree to live separately but take care of the kid and both be responsible for his or her well being?

Yes but how many of these people would do so

1) That doesn't answer the question
2) I have a family friend who is not married, they have been together almost 8 years. They are not marrying because of emotional problems for the woman (her husband was one of those killed in 9-11) It happens all the time, hell look at homosexual couples, many who have been together for -30-40-50 years
3) No it doesn't as many of the single parents in the US show. That being said it is most likely easier and more financially stable to have 2 parents. What are you going to do about women whose husbands die in combat (aka soldiers).
4) Quite a few of not yet divorced people.

It does, what sort of sick human being would divorce a wife, he knocked up

There is no garuntee, would you give somebody a loan without collateral security

Two parents are much more well off and even if they are well of, they would have to divide time between work and kids, also one of the parents would be rendered useless for nine months

Widows are a different story, they are completely different lets not get into this,

yes quite a few of them so

[Burleson]

Cancer treatments save lives, abortion takes away a life. Cancer treatments are medically necessary, abortion is not. Children often improve lives, cancer destroys them. See the difference yet?

Abortions can save lives, abortions can save minds, abortions can save people financially, abortions can save the government money, lots of it. Children do not always improve lives.

Abortion doesn't save any lives. It often causes guilt afterwards and therefore, does not save minds. Adoption can be used instead if money is a problem. The idea of killing people to save a few bucks is just sick. Also, pregnancy reduces the risk of breast cancer (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... ve-history).

[Burleson]

Fetuses can do these things?

Cells can divide, which is a form of reproduction, they function, and they go through cellular death.

However, his argument is disingenuous since a living being which isnt even developed can't have any sense of self and thus cannot be argued as a thing worthy of rights.

Does that mean people in temporary comas aren't worthy of rights?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Lansing is the capital. And until artificial placentae are developed and made safe and universally accessible, abortion and contraception are the best options for family planning.

Abortion is not family planning, it's family prevention. Also known as murder.

Well, it doesn't preclude a woman being a mother already, or becoming one in the future. Also, normally abortion refers to ending the process surrounding the fetus, not the fetus itself...nor is the pregnancy's termination done with malice aforethought even if a human is killed in the process. Human being is a philosophical question, and one can plan to have a family when one is willing. Abortion is a tool to help do that.
Glossary, to reduce confusion:
human- any organism with the property, emergent, present, potential or past, of doing what humans do most famously.
kill- here treated as a causative of die- that is, to cause to die.

[Neutraligon]

1) That doesn't answer the question
2) I have a family friend who is not married, they have been together almost 8 years. They are not marrying because of emotional problems for the woman (her husband was one of those killed in 9-11) It happens all the time, hell look at homosexual couples, many who have been together for -30-40-50 years
3) No it doesn't as many of the single parents in the US show. That being said it is most likely easier and more financially stable to have 2 parents. What are you going to do about women whose husbands die in combat (aka soldiers).
4) Quite a few of not yet divorced people.

It does, what sort of sick human being would divorce a wife, he knocked up

There is no garuntee, would you give somebody a loan without collateral security

Two parents are much more well off and even if they are well of, they would have to divide time between work and kids, also one of the parents would be rendered useless for nine months

Widows are a different story, they are completely different lets not get into this,

yes quite a few of them so

1) No it doesn't it does happen, so what about that case.
2) No there isn't, but then there is no guarantee with marriage either (divorce exists). There is a thing called common law marriage here in the US.
3) Not really, most women here in the US work much of those 9 months.
4) Why are widows different, they are in the same circumstances as any other single woman who is pregnant.
4) So such people exist. It is not all that uncommon.

[Apparatchikstan]

"The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death." - from Google

Fetuses fit this definition pretty well.

Fetuses can do these things?

If you don't interfere with their capacity for growth, yes.

[Neutraligon]

Abortions can save lives, abortions can save minds, abortions can save people financially, abortions can save the government money, lots of it. Children do not always improve lives.

Abortion doesn't save any lives. It often causes guilt afterwards and therefore, does not save minds. Adoption can be used instead if money is a problem. The idea of killing people to save a few bucks is just sick. Also, pregnancy reduces the risk of breast cancer (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... ve-history).

If the life of the mother is in danger, yes it does. Guilt is not a necessary aftereffect of abortion and can help a rape-victim to not deal with the result of her rape every day. Adoptions do not save the government money and we already have an overburdened system to boot. It isn't a few bucks, it is 18 years worth of expenses, of food and housing and schooling and medicine. That's nice, does ending the pregnancy do anything to bring that risk back up?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Cells can divide, which is a form of reproduction, they function, and they go through cellular death.

However, his argument is disingenuous since a living being which isnt even developed can't have any sense of self and thus cannot be argued as a thing worthy of rights.

Does that mean people in temporary comas aren't worthy of rights?

Do you read before replying?

People who are in a coma or a vegetative state have rights since, you know, they used to be able to be persons and they were born already and they are developed beings.

A fetus doesn't meet either criteria since conception up to at least viability (3rd trimester). So your argument, again, is nothing but shit.

[Apparatchikstan]

Does that mean people in temporary comas aren't worthy of rights?

Do you read before replying?

People who are in a coma or a vegetative state have rights since, you know, they used to be able to be persons and they were born already and they are developed beings.

A fetus doesn't meet either criteria since conception up to at least viability (3rd trimester). So your argument, again, is nothing but shit.

What's the real philosophical difference between having been a person and will be a person?

[Dragoria]

Do you read before replying?

People who are in a coma or a vegetative state have rights since, you know, they used to be able to be persons and they were born already and they are developed beings.

A fetus doesn't meet either criteria since conception up to at least viability (3rd trimester). So your argument, again, is nothing but shit.

What's the real philosophical difference between having been a person and will be a person?

One's already been the thing, and has standing. The other might be the thing someday, if it's not spontaneously miscarried/stillborn/whathaveyou, but certainly isn't yet.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Do you read before replying?

People who are in a coma or a vegetative state have rights since, you know, they used to be able to be persons and they were born already and they are developed beings.

A fetus doesn't meet either criteria since conception up to at least viability (3rd trimester). So your argument, again, is nothing but shit.

What's the real philosophical difference between having been a person and will be a person?

One is considered to bear a resemblance to a parasite by some; the other is not.
Also, most people don't have enough experience with fetuses other than being one or carrying one (or more), and equating it to a human being, whatever the fuck that is. The other they experience quite vividly as being a person.

[Trollgaard]

I'm fine with that. Its not like abortion is illegal, you just have to get special insurance for it.

[Manisdog]

It does, what sort of sick human being would divorce a wife, he knocked up

There is no garuntee, would you give somebody a loan without collateral security

Two parents are much more well off and even if they are well of, they would have to divide time between work and kids, also one of the parents would be rendered useless for nine months

Widows are a different story, they are completely different lets not get into this,

yes quite a few of them so

1) No it doesn't it does happen, so what about that case.
2) No there isn't, but then there is no guarantee with marriage either (divorce exists). There is a thing called common law marriage here in the US.
3) Not really, most women here in the US work much of those 9 months.
4) Why are widows different, they are in the same circumstances as any other single woman who is pregnant.
4) So such people exist. It is not all that uncommon.

Do you honestly believe that we should allow people to knock up women and than leave them high and dry, it is savagery

A divorce is granted by the courts

They are unable to do hard labor and can work mostly in office and after she has the kids she has to sit at home

Widows were married and were left widowed due to unfortunate circumstances

Yes they do

[Euroslavia]

One reason in a fast growing list of why I'm starting to hate living here. Chicago is looking more and more enticing. Michigan continues to embarrass itself.