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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:59 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:No I stand up for what is right in this world and I'm not going to let GOD'S creation go out like that!

God didn't create Christmas. Christmas wasn't even celebrated until the 3rd or 4th century at least.

I'm talking about our own free will
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:59 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
And I'm saying you're spouting a whole bunch of bullshit in several directions.

I admired you you're a good ally but a terrible debater


When have I been your ally?

And I'm not debating, I'm telling you that what you're saying makes no sense. It's bullshit.

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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:02 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:I admired you you're a good ally but a terrible debater


When have I been your ally?

And I'm not debating, I'm telling you that what you're saying makes no sense. It's bullshit.

How am my saying bullshit I'm just trying to make a point here!
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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:03 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:No I stand up for what is right in this world and I'm not going to let GOD'S creation go out like that!

God didn't create Christmas. Christmas wasn't even celebrated until the 3rd or 4th century at least.

Besides what would God care about the winter anyway?

It is not like they are the sun.
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:03 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:I admired you you're a good ally but a terrible debater


When have I been your ally?

And I'm not debating, I'm telling you that what you're saying makes no sense. It's bullshit.

Well about being an Ally you're the one that always commented my Factbook Forum Posts.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:04 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
When have I been your ally?

And I'm not debating, I'm telling you that what you're saying makes no sense. It's bullshit.

How am my saying bullshit I'm just trying to make a point here!


What's the point? There isn't a war on Christmas, unless you can show an armed and coordinated effort being launched against an entity named "Christmas".

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The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote: How am my saying bullshit I'm just trying to make a point here!


What's the point? There isn't a war on Christmas, unless you can show an armed and coordinated effort being launched against an entity named "Christmas".

Challenging the subject of Christmas!
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:05 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
What's the point? There isn't a war on Christmas, unless you can show an armed and coordinated effort being launched against an entity named "Christmas".

Challenging the subject of Christmas!


... What?

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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:07 pm

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The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Challenging the subject of Christmas!


... What?

Ask the Liberals they're the ones who were Attacking Christmas!
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:08 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
... What?

Ask the Liberals they're the ones who were Attacking Christmas!


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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:08 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
... What?

Ask the Liberals they're the ones who were Attacking Christmas!

Do you even understand the definition of liberalism?
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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:11 pm

The Sears Holdings Corporation (which owns Sears and Kmart) altered their marketing policies from using the term "holiday" to using the term "Christmas". The change of policy included the distribution of "Merry Christmas" signs to stores nationwide, and the changing of the term "holiday" to "Christmas" on their website and in stores.[71][72] Kmart opened the 2006 Christmas season with their slogan "Where Christmas comes together", and several commercials acknowledging Christmas, including one with the tune to "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing".
In 2005, Wal-Mart was criticized by the Catholic League for avoiding the word "Christmas" in any of their marketing efforts.[2] The company had downplayed the term "Christmas" in much of its advertising for several years.[73] This caused some backlash among the public, prompting some groups to pass around petitions and threaten boycotts against the company, as well as several other prominent retailers that practiced similar obscurations of the holiday.[2] In 2006, in response to the public outcry, Wal-Mart announced that they were amending their policy and would be using "Christmas" rather than "holiday". Among the changes, they noted that the former "Holiday Shop" would become the "Christmas Shop", and that there would be a "countin' down the days to Christmas" feature.[2]
In 2005, Target Corporation was criticized by the American Family Association for their decision not to use the term "Christmas" in any of their in-store, online, or print advertising.[74] The AFA initiated a nation-wide boycott of the Target Corporation, resulting in over 700,000 petition signatures. Within a week of initiating the boycott, the AFA received an official letter from Target which indicated that they would begin incorporating the term "Christmas" in their advertising: "Over the course of the next few weeks, our advertising, marketing and merchandising will become more specific to the holiday that is approaching – referring directly to holidays like Christmas and Hanukkah. For example, you will see reference to Christmas in select television commercials, circulars and in-store signage." [75]
When it was revealed in November 2006 that Wal-Mart would be using the term "Christmas" in their advertising campaign, an article about the issue initiated by USA Today pointed out that Best Buy Corporation would be among the retailers that would not be using "Christmas" at all in their advertising that year. Dawn Bryant, a Best Buy spokeswoman, stated: "We are going to continue to use the term holiday because there are several holidays throughout that time period, and we certainly need to be respectful of all of them."[76][77] The American Family Association launched a campaign against Best Buy's policy.[78] In reaction to the same policy, the Catholic League placed Best Buy on its 2006 Christmas Watch List.[79]
In late October 2008, US hardware retailer The Home Depot was criticized by the American Family Association for using terms such as "holiday" and "Hanukkah" on their website, but avoiding the term "Christmas".[80] The retailer responded by saying they will be adjusting their website to make references to Christmas more prominent.[81] It was later claimed by Snopes.com that the AFA's characterization of Home Depot's advertising was false, as the retailer's advertising had initially included several references to the word "Christmas".[82]
On November 11, 2009, the American Family Association called for a "limited two-month boycott" of Gap, Inc over what they claimed was the "company's censorship of the word 'Christmas.'"[83] In an advertising campaign launched by Gap on November 12, the term "Christmas" was both spoken and printed on their website at least once, and was part of a television ad campaign sung as: "Go Christmas, Go Hanukkah, Go Kwanzaa, Go solstice... go Christmas, go Hanukkah, go whatever holiday you Wannakuh".[84] On November 17, AFA responded to this campaign by condemning the ads for references to the "pagan holiday" of solstice, and declined to call off the boycott.[85] On November 24, Gap responded to AFA's initial boycott, stating that they will launch a new television commercial on Thanksgiving weekend that will have a "very strong Christmas theme". The AFA then ended their boycott of Gap.[86]
2010s[edit]
On November 24, 2010, the branch manager of Chase Bank in Southlake, Texas (northeast of Fort Worth) told Antonio Morales that a Christmas tree he had donated to the branch had to be taken down per JPMorgan Chase's policy to use only decorations supplied by the company. Bank spokesperson Greg Hassell stated that the company-provided decorations are designed to be "something everyone is comfortable with, regardless of how they celebrate the season."[87]
Wachovia Bank briefly banned Christmas trees from their local branches. This policy offended many customers prompting Wachovia to change its policy and allow Christmas trees to be displayed.[citation needed]
In November 2010, the word "Christmas" on two signs at Philadelphia's Christmas Village was removed by the organizers after complaints, but restored three days later after the mayor intervened.[88]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_ ... ersy#2000s

This is the crap I'm talking about
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:12 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:-snip-

This is the crap I'm talking about


Be lucky this is apparently something you have to worry about, besides which Benuty asked a really good question:

Benuty wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Ask the Liberals they're the ones who were Attacking Christmas!

Do you even understand the definition of liberalism?

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Postby The Great Zedong Dynasty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:17 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:-snip-

This is the crap I'm talking about


Be lucky this is apparently something you have to worry about, besides which Benuty asked a really good question:

Benuty wrote:Do you even understand the definition of liberalism?

Yeah supposedly the dictionary meaning lib·er·al
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:29 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote: Well Gallo sounds like a pessimistic bastard to me

I resemble that.

We shall need people like you at the front when the time comes to beat Christmas back to its proper period on the calendar.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:12 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
The Sears Holdings Corporation (which owns Sears and Kmart) altered their marketing policies from using the term "holiday" to using the term "Christmas". The change of policy included the distribution of "Merry Christmas" signs to stores nationwide, and the changing of the term "holiday" to "Christmas" on their website and in stores.[71][72] Kmart opened the 2006 Christmas season with their slogan "Where Christmas comes together", and several commercials acknowledging Christmas, including one with the tune to "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing".
In 2005, Wal-Mart was criticized by the Catholic League for avoiding the word "Christmas" in any of their marketing efforts.[2] The company had downplayed the term "Christmas" in much of its advertising for several years.[73] This caused some backlash among the public, prompting some groups to pass around petitions and threaten boycotts against the company, as well as several other prominent retailers that practiced similar obscurations of the holiday.[2] In 2006, in response to the public outcry, Wal-Mart announced that they were amending their policy and would be using "Christmas" rather than "holiday". Among the changes, they noted that the former "Holiday Shop" would become the "Christmas Shop", and that there would be a "countin' down the days to Christmas" feature.[2]
In 2005, Target Corporation was criticized by the American Family Association for their decision not to use the term "Christmas" in any of their in-store, online, or print advertising.[74] The AFA initiated a nation-wide boycott of the Target Corporation, resulting in over 700,000 petition signatures. Within a week of initiating the boycott, the AFA received an official letter from Target which indicated that they would begin incorporating the term "Christmas" in their advertising: "Over the course of the next few weeks, our advertising, marketing and merchandising will become more specific to the holiday that is approaching – referring directly to holidays like Christmas and Hanukkah. For example, you will see reference to Christmas in select television commercials, circulars and in-store signage." [75]
When it was revealed in November 2006 that Wal-Mart would be using the term "Christmas" in their advertising campaign, an article about the issue initiated by USA Today pointed out that Best Buy Corporation would be among the retailers that would not be using "Christmas" at all in their advertising that year. Dawn Bryant, a Best Buy spokeswoman, stated: "We are going to continue to use the term holiday because there are several holidays throughout that time period, and we certainly need to be respectful of all of them."[76][77] The American Family Association launched a campaign against Best Buy's policy.[78] In reaction to the same policy, the Catholic League placed Best Buy on its 2006 Christmas Watch List.[79]
In late October 2008, US hardware retailer The Home Depot was criticized by the American Family Association for using terms such as "holiday" and "Hanukkah" on their website, but avoiding the term "Christmas".[80] The retailer responded by saying they will be adjusting their website to make references to Christmas more prominent.[81] It was later claimed by Snopes.com that the AFA's characterization of Home Depot's advertising was false, as the retailer's advertising had initially included several references to the word "Christmas".[82]
On November 11, 2009, the American Family Association called for a "limited two-month boycott" of Gap, Inc over what they claimed was the "company's censorship of the word 'Christmas.'"[83] In an advertising campaign launched by Gap on November 12, the term "Christmas" was both spoken and printed on their website at least once, and was part of a television ad campaign sung as: "Go Christmas, Go Hanukkah, Go Kwanzaa, Go solstice... go Christmas, go Hanukkah, go whatever holiday you Wannakuh".[84] On November 17, AFA responded to this campaign by condemning the ads for references to the "pagan holiday" of solstice, and declined to call off the boycott.[85] On November 24, Gap responded to AFA's initial boycott, stating that they will launch a new television commercial on Thanksgiving weekend that will have a "very strong Christmas theme". The AFA then ended their boycott of Gap.[86]
2010s[edit]
On November 24, 2010, the branch manager of Chase Bank in Southlake, Texas (northeast of Fort Worth) told Antonio Morales that a Christmas tree he had donated to the branch had to be taken down per JPMorgan Chase's policy to use only decorations supplied by the company. Bank spokesperson Greg Hassell stated that the company-provided decorations are designed to be "something everyone is comfortable with, regardless of how they celebrate the season."[87]
Wachovia Bank briefly banned Christmas trees from their local branches. This policy offended many customers prompting Wachovia to change its policy and allow Christmas trees to be displayed.[citation needed]
In November 2010, the word "Christmas" on two signs at Philadelphia's Christmas Village was removed by the organizers after complaints, but restored three days later after the mayor intervened.[88]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_ ... ersy#2000s

This is the crap I'm talking about

Anyone else remember the heady days when the so-called 'war on Christmas' was that it was 'too commercialized' instead of 'not commercialized enough?'

I'm reminded of the words of Joshua...the only winning move is to not play.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:Some leftists don't like Christmas and want to eliminate it from public society.

Name them.


Infected Mushroom wrote:
well it is called CHRIST mas...

Only in English.

so I assume when people say there is a ''war on Christmas'' they mean its becoming less and less about the birth of Christ and more and more about consumerism...

And you would be wrong.

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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:51 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Name them.



Only in English.


And you would be wrong.

Lenin was one.

Try harder.
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Postby Shaggai » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:00 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm starting one, dammit.

2+ months of Christmas music is too damn much.

Seconded, Christmas music is terrible and playing it early November is just wrong.

Looks like Its time to grab some guns and storm the shopping centers once more.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:03 pm

The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
... What?

Ask the Liberals they're the ones who were Attacking Christmas!


We are?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:04 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Ask the Liberals they're the ones who were Attacking Christmas!


We are?

Did you not get the memo? :p
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:04 pm

Espresso and Insanity wrote:The War on Christmas is nothing more than a phrase used by the radical right to strike fear into people.

This.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:07 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Great Zedong Dynasty wrote:Ask the Liberals they're the ones who were Attacking Christmas!


We are?

Huh? I like christmas. Gifts, cookies, eggnog a bit. You sir have a case of over conservatism. Speak to your local sensible person to clear this up. If you do not have one called 555-libs (libs standing for liberals)
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We are?

Did you not get the memo? :p

Guess it got lost in the mail or something :p
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