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Postby Zottistan » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:20 am

Manisdog wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:
Why is that?

If the fear of god is stopping people from humping sheep and killing other people, and not really revolting it is good

basically it stops stupid people from doing stupid things

On the contrary, it encourages people to do stupid things, and is itself a stupid thing.
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Postby Jute » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:36 am

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Most people present an argument or try to convince people of their side. People who smile when scolded are usually mentally deficient.

Still better than getting into a rage and starting to insult everyone.
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Postby Manisdog » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:01 am

Zottistan wrote:
Manisdog wrote:If the fear of god is stopping people from humping sheep and killing other people, and not really revolting it is good

basically it stops stupid people from doing stupid things

On the contrary, it encourages people to do stupid things, and is itself a stupid thing.



No it instills fear in a populace, it makes them more docile and less prevalent to revolt

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Postby Zottistan » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:13 am

Manisdog wrote:
Zottistan wrote:On the contrary, it encourages people to do stupid things, and is itself a stupid thing.



No it instills fear in a populace, it makes them more docile and less prevalent to revolt

You do know how many terrorists have religious motivations, right? And how many wars, killings and social tensions are religiously caused?

And docility is stupid to begin with. People aren't labradors.
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Postby Manisdog » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:17 am

Zottistan wrote:
Manisdog wrote:

No it instills fear in a populace, it makes them more docile and less prevalent to revolt

You do know how many terrorists have religious motivations, right? And how many wars, killings and social tensions are religiously caused?

And docility is stupid to begin with. People aren't labradors.


Yes you see it is an effective tools to control people, you have proven my point, people also could be controlled to live more quiet lives

it could help stop strikes, it could help the government achieve political unity. I am an atheist but I am happy when people believe in a god, it keeps their believe in the status que

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Postby Zottistan » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:23 am

Sikh Punjabi wrote:
Zottistan wrote:You do know how many terrorists have religious motivations, right? And how many wars, killings and social tensions are religiously caused?

And docility is stupid to begin with. People aren't labradors.

-snip-

Top-notch debating there, kid.
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Zottistan wrote:You do know how many terrorists have religious motivations, right? And how many wars, killings and social tensions are religiously caused?

And docility is stupid to begin with. People aren't labradors.


Yes you see it is an effective tools to control people, you have proven my point, people also could be controlled to live more quiet lives

it could help stop strikes, it could help the government achieve political unity. I am an atheist but I am happy when people believe in a god, it keeps their believe in the status que

Which has nothing to do with whether or not it encourages people to do stupid things. It, itself, is a stupid thing. How could doing something stupid discourage stupidity?
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Postby Postnap » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:08 am

I don't think there's angle and most people who believe I a god are fucking stupid and if there a fucking shity god why dose bad shit happen and theres no fucking floty man in the sky

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Postby Free United Provinces of East Torkelburg » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:10 am

God's not dead, He's surely alive! He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion!
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Postby Immoren » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:13 am

Free United Provinces of East Torkelburg wrote:God's not dead, He's surely alive! He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion!


Inside what?
Volcano?
Tree?
Pint of ale?
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:30 am

Free United Provinces of East Torkelburg wrote:God's not dead, He's surely alive! He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion!

That's why Roar was made.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:56 am

Immoren wrote:
Free United Provinces of East Torkelburg wrote:God's not dead, He's surely alive! He's living on the inside, roaring like a lion!


Inside what?
Volcano?
Tree?
Pint of ale?

Christians sometimes refer to God as "the water of life".
... so apparently he's in a bottle of spirits.

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Postby Jute » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:41 am

Zottistan wrote:
Manisdog wrote:

No it instills fear in a populace, it makes them more docile and less prevalent to revolt

You do know how many terrorists have religious motivations, right? And how many wars, killings and social tensions are religiously caused?

And docility is stupid to begin with. People aren't labradors.

How many wars? In documented history, about 7 %. Source
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When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:47 am

Jute wrote:
Zottistan wrote:You do know how many terrorists have religious motivations, right? And how many wars, killings and social tensions are religiously caused?

And docility is stupid to begin with. People aren't labradors.

How many wars? In documented history, about 7 %. Source

I said religion causes wars, not religion causes most wars.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:44 pm

Manisdog wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:
Why is that?

If the fear of god is stopping people from humping sheep and killing other people, and not really revolting it is good

basically it stops stupid people from doing stupid things


It has more often been shown to stop clever people doing clever things while giving stupid people sanction for their stupidity.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:46 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Manisdog wrote:If the fear of god is stopping people from humping sheep and killing other people, and not really revolting it is good

basically it stops stupid people from doing stupid things


It has more often been shown to stop clever people doing clever things while giving stupid people sanction for their stupidity.

More often?

Please cite studies that religion has "more often been shown to stop clever people doing clever things while giving stupid people sanction for their stupidity" compared with it "stop[ping] stupid people from doing stupid things".

I didn't know we even quantified this.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:56 pm

Be religious is not always serious mental issue it seems.
Only be too religious is serious mental issue.
But can we prevent that from happening? Dude will tell you, "God spoke to me, I am his prophet" what will you do? :lol: "Ok, Jesus, now you will get nice warm white room" :roll:
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:09 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Inside what?
Volcano?
Tree?
Pint of ale?

Christians sometimes refer to God as "the water of life".
... so apparently he's in a bottle of spirits.


Ah, the Book of Fallout :p

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

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Postby The Sons of Adam » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:33 pm

It would matter little for mere mortals to discuss the existence of a higher deity, but mortals must find a deity nevertheless. He either exists, or not. There is no ignorance, no apathy, for that is folly. We must look for clues that gives evidence, or negates a deity, for it would be a monumental discovery. We should have a scientific fund to find out blueprints from this creator. Arguing doesn't help, only research.

If there is a supreme being, it would be useless to fight him. For rebellion would lead to death, in whatever he brings.


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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:44 pm

btw. is it religious provocation if kid's name is Jesus, Judas or Satan? :p
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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:52 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:btw. is it religious provocation if kid's name is Jesus, Judas or Satan? :p

Given the first two have no meaning so nope.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:23 pm

Manisdog wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:
Why is that?

If the fear of god is stopping people from humping sheep and killing other people, and not really revolting it is good

basically it stops stupid people from doing stupid things

You're saying that the only reason you don't hump sheep, is because you fear god?

That absent that fear, you would go on an orgy of woolly sodomy?

Well... you go ahead and believe then.
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Postby Schirmerland2 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:58 pm

I believe God exists, but I completely understand why someone would not believe in God.

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Postby Distruzio » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:00 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Jute wrote:How many wars? In documented history, about 7 %. Source

I said religion causes wars, not religion causes most wars.


So? Your implication was clear. Thus the response was necessary.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:30 am

Distruzio wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I said religion causes wars, not religion causes most wars.


So? Your implication was clear. Thus the response was necessary.

My implication was that religion causes people to do stupid things, including war, as is evidenced by the 7% of wars caused by religion.
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