Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Tranche 7

[Erusuia]

Going to start working on stat blocks for the stuff I've linearted, so preemptive apologies for possible spammy

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UG-2000

Production

Designer: Glnzalo Military Design Corporation
Designed: 1996-2000
Manufacturer: Ugolna
Produced: 2000-present
Number built: 3500+

Specifications

Weight: 49.5 Tonnes
Crew 3
Armour: 20-750mm steel-ceramic-glass reinforced plastic composite and ERA
Main Armament: TSBG-125MU1 125mm gun, capable of launching ATGMs
Secondary Armament: MG3T coaxial gun, NSV anti air machine gun
Engine: NHMC-250 1200 hp diesel with compressed air cold start ability
Power/Weight: 24.2 hp/tonne
Suspension: Torsion bars
Operational Range: 560km on internal tanks, 700+ with external tanks

[Novorden]

Challenger 2 Life Extension Program update (from Janes IHS)

-227 Challenger 2 MBTs upgraded to a common standard.
-Service date of 2020, which should extend the tanks life to 2035.

The LEP is 'expected' to replace the:
-Thermal imaging
-Gun control equipment
-Fire control system
-Information systems

It is also 'expected' to:
-Add cameras for more situational awareness.
-Provide new types of 120mm ammo (I'm not sure what they mean by this)

[Oaledonia]

-Provide new types of 120mm ammo (I'm not sure what they mean by this)

Better charges for extra "penetration", if you know what I mean.

[Gallia-]

-Provide new types of 120mm ammo (I'm not sure what they mean by this)

Better charges for extra "penetration", if you know what I mean.

oh

my

:>

[Novorden]

Tank fronts are hard

[Lydenburg]

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Tank fronts are hard

I always screw up the dimensions of the gun on frontal shots. Same?

[Vancon]

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Tank fronts are hard

You'll get it if anyone.

[San-Silvacian]

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Tank fronts are hard

No shit.

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Tank fronts are hard

You'll get it if anyone.

[Heicliffe]

MBT-1980

Production:
Designer: Heicliffean National Heavy Industry Bureau
Designed: 1974 - 1980
Manufacturers:
- Kaufmann Steelworks Inc.
- Gregory Motors Company
- Kalypso Heavy Machinery Corp.
Produced: 1980 - Present
Number Built: 955

Specifications:
Weight: 55 Tonnes
Crew: 4
Armour: 25 - 950mm Ferro-Ceramic Composite Armour, ERA and Slat Armour
Main Armament: TG5-MK3 120mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary Armament: VHMG 12.7mm Coaxial Gun
Engine: GM-1600V12 V-12 Liquid Cooled Twin Turbo Diesel Engine 1600 hp
Power/Weight: 29.1 hp/tonne
Operational Range: 470km

Following modernization trials in the mid 70's, the MBT-1980 was the result of six years of design work on the part of the National Heavy Industry Bureau (NHIB). Initially scoffed by Army Command due to the lack of prior military design experience on the part of the NHIB, the MBT-1980 (XT-5 during trials) was not the fastest, strongest, or most durable tank during trials but the best blend of all requirements. Built around the reputation of the Gregory Motors Corporation to provide a reliable, powerful, and simple diesel engine, an ongoing joke is that the engine will be the last thing to fail in an operational tank. After successfully completing Army trials, the XT-5 became the MBT-1980, and production began immediately to replace the aging and barely capable MBT-1950 force. ERA and Slat armour are available as kits to complement the composite layered armour against both HEAT and KEP style weapons.

Statblock/writeup. Thank you Erusuia for providing a framework for me to work in, although it looks like wikipedia was also an acceptable place to get that from.

[Spoder]

MBT-1980
(Image)

Production:
Designer: Heicliffean National Heavy Industry Bureau
Designed: 1974 - 1980
Manufacturers:
- Kaufmann Steelworks Inc.
- Gregory Motors Company
- Kalypso Heavy Machinery Corp.
Produced: 1980 - Present
Number Built: 955

Specifications:
Weight: 55 Tonnes
Crew: 4
Armour: 25 - 950mm Ferro-Ceramic Composite Armour, ERA and Slat Armour
Main Armament: TG5-MK3 120mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary Armament: VHMG 12.7mm Coaxial Gun
Engine: GM-1600V12 V-12 Liquid Cooled Twin Turbo Diesel Engine 1600 hp
Power/Weight: 29.1 hp/tonne
Operational Range: 470km

Following modernization trials in the mid 70's, the MBT-1980 was the result of six years of design work on the part of the National Heavy Industry Bureau (NHIB). Initially scoffed by Army Command due to the lack of prior military design experience on the part of the NHIB, the MBT-1980 (XT-5 during trials) was not the fastest, strongest, or most durable tank during trials but the best blend of all requirements. Built around the reputation of the Gregory Motors Corporation to provide a reliable, powerful, and simple diesel engine, an ongoing joke is that the engine will be the last thing to fail in an operational tank. After successfully completing Army trials, the XT-5 became the MBT-1980, and production began immediately to replace the aging and barely capable MBT-1950 force. ERA and Slat armour are available as kits to complement the composite layered armour against both HEAT and KEP style weapons.

Statblock/writeup. Thank you Erusuia for providing a framework for me to work in, although it looks like wikipedia was also an acceptable place to get that from.

Entered service in '74? That thing needs a proper camouflage pattern. Hell, a single-tone tank would work better than that.

And I find it really hard to believe any sort of a 1600hp diesel engine could be reasonably produced in '74, unless you turbocharge the crap out of it (which is far from ideal for a tank) they way engineers did in WWII on most aircraft.

Obviously, it's your choice but if you're looking for something more reasonable...

[The Akasha Colony]

MBT-1980
(Image)

Production:
Designer: Heicliffean National Heavy Industry Bureau
Designed: 1974 - 1980
Manufacturers:
- Kaufmann Steelworks Inc.
- Gregory Motors Company
- Kalypso Heavy Machinery Corp.
Produced: 1980 - Present
Number Built: 955

Specifications:
Weight: 55 Tonnes
Crew: 4
Armour: 25 - 950mm Ferro-Ceramic Composite Armour, ERA and Slat Armour
Main Armament: TG5-MK3 120mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary Armament: VHMG 12.7mm Coaxial Gun
Engine: GM-1600V12 V-12 Liquid Cooled Twin Turbo Diesel Engine 1600 hp
Power/Weight: 29.1 hp/tonne
Operational Range: 470km

Following modernization trials in the mid 70's, the MBT-1980 was the result of six years of design work on the part of the National Heavy Industry Bureau (NHIB). Initially scoffed by Army Command due to the lack of prior military design experience on the part of the NHIB, the MBT-1980 (XT-5 during trials) was not the fastest, strongest, or most durable tank during trials but the best blend of all requirements. Built around the reputation of the Gregory Motors Corporation to provide a reliable, powerful, and simple diesel engine, an ongoing joke is that the engine will be the last thing to fail in an operational tank. After successfully completing Army trials, the XT-5 became the MBT-1980, and production began immediately to replace the aging and barely capable MBT-1950 force. ERA and Slat armour are available as kits to complement the composite layered armour against both HEAT and KEP style weapons.

Statblock/writeup. Thank you Erusuia for providing a framework for me to work in, although it looks like wikipedia was also an acceptable place to get that from.

Entered service in '74? That thing needs a proper camouflage pattern. Hell, a single-tone tank would work better than that.

And I find it really hard to believe any sort of a 1600hp diesel engine could be reasonably produced in '74, unless you turbocharge the crap out of it (which is far from ideal for a tank) they way engineers did in WWII on most aircraft.

Obviously, it's your choice but if you're looking for something more reasonable...

It could definitely be produced in 1974. It wouldn't be as compact or efficient as such a powerplant today, but if the designers were willing to put aside a larger space, it could easily be done.

[Heicliffe]

Entered service in '74? That thing needs a proper camouflage pattern. Hell, a single-tone tank would work better than that.

And I find it really hard to believe any sort of a 1600hp diesel engine could be reasonably produced in '74, unless you turbocharge the crap out of it (which is far from ideal for a tank) they way engineers did in WWII on most aircraft.

Obviously, it's your choice but if you're looking for something more reasonable...

Designed: 1974 - 1980
Manufacturers:
- Kaufmann Steelworks Inc.
- Gregory Motors Company
- Kalypso Heavy Machinery Corp.
Produced: 1980 - Present

TIL initial design year is same as service year. The test engines were indeed less powerful, but I'd like to think an engine of that power could be made in 1979 - 1980.

Camo is subjective, this is just 'standard mountain beige' + various colored ERA packs. I can color the damn thing whatever I please.

[Spoder]

Entered service in '74? That thing needs a proper camouflage pattern. Hell, a single-tone tank would work better than that.

And I find it really hard to believe any sort of a 1600hp diesel engine could be reasonably produced in '74, unless you turbocharge the crap out of it (which is far from ideal for a tank) they way engineers did in WWII on most aircraft.

Obviously, it's your choice but if you're looking for something more reasonable...

Designed: 1974 - 1980
Manufacturers:
- Kaufmann Steelworks Inc.
- Gregory Motors Company
- Kalypso Heavy Machinery Corp.
Produced: 1980 - Present

TIL initial design year is same as service year. The test engines were indeed less powerful, but I'd like to think an engine of that power could be made in 1979 - 1980.

Camo is subjective, this is just 'standard mountain beige' + various colored ERA packs. I can color the damn thing whatever I please.

Camo isn't that subjective. The entire purpose is to break apart any sort of outline or identifiable figures.

[Spoder]

Entered service in '74? That thing needs a proper camouflage pattern. Hell, a single-tone tank would work better than that.

And I find it really hard to believe any sort of a 1600hp diesel engine could be reasonably produced in '74, unless you turbocharge the crap out of it (which is far from ideal for a tank) they way engineers did in WWII on most aircraft.

Obviously, it's your choice but if you're looking for something more reasonable...

It could definitely be produced in 1974. It wouldn't be as compact or efficient as such a powerplant today, but if the designers were willing to put aside a larger space, it could easily be done.

I said reasonable.

It would be a massive engine if it was naturally aspirated and produced 1600 horses in '74-'80.

[Heicliffe]

Camo isn't that subjective. The entire purpose is to break apart any sort of outline or identifiable figures.

Because I'm definitely talking about camouflage as a whole.

Long story short, what pattern I decide to paint the finished tank is completely... subjective.

I said reasonable.

It would be a massive engine if it was naturally aspirated and produced 1600 horses in '74-'80.

Reasonable doesn't always factor in to army decisions.

It is also, a massive engine.

[Spoder]

Camo isn't that subjective. The entire purpose is to break apart any sort of outline or identifiable figures.

Because I'm definitely talking about camouflage as a whole.

Long story short, what pattern I decide to paint the finished tank is completely... subjective.

I said reasonable.

It would be a massive engine if it was naturally aspirated and produced 1600 horses in '74-'80.

Reasonable doesn't always factor in to army decisions.

It is also, a massive engine.

Whatever. In the end it is NS, and if you want you can have seals on unicycles carrying AA platforms on their backs.

[Opplandia]

MBT-1980
(Image)

Production:
Designer: Heicliffean National Heavy Industry Bureau
Designed: 1974 - 1980
Manufacturers:
- Kaufmann Steelworks Inc.
- Gregory Motors Company
- Kalypso Heavy Machinery Corp.
Produced: 1980 - Present
Number Built: 955

Specifications:
Weight: 55 Tonnes
Crew: 4
Armour: 25 - 950mm Ferro-Ceramic Composite Armour, ERA and Slat Armour
Main Armament: TG5-MK3 120mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary Armament: VHMG 12.7mm Coaxial Gun
Engine: GM-1600V12 V-12 Liquid Cooled Twin Turbo Diesel Engine 1600 hp
Power/Weight: 29.1 hp/tonne
Operational Range: 470km

Following modernization trials in the mid 70's, the MBT-1980 was the result of six years of design work on the part of the National Heavy Industry Bureau (NHIB). Initially scoffed by Army Command due to the lack of prior military design experience on the part of the NHIB, the MBT-1980 (XT-5 during trials) was not the fastest, strongest, or most durable tank during trials but the best blend of all requirements. Built around the reputation of the Gregory Motors Corporation to provide a reliable, powerful, and simple diesel engine, an ongoing joke is that the engine will be the last thing to fail in an operational tank. After successfully completing Army trials, the XT-5 became the MBT-1980, and production began immediately to replace the aging and barely capable MBT-1950 force. ERA and Slat armour are available as kits to complement the composite layered armour against both HEAT and KEP style weapons.

Statblock/writeup. Thank you Erusuia for providing a framework for me to work in, although it looks like wikipedia was also an acceptable place to get that from.

for what does a tank of the 55-ton-class need 8 wheels per track? 6 or 7 would be enough.

[Lydenburg]

Because I'm definitely talking about camouflage as a whole.

Long story short, what pattern I decide to paint the finished tank is completely... subjective.



Reasonable doesn't always factor in to army decisions.

It is also, a massive engine.

Whatever. In the end it is NS, and if you want you can have seals on unicycles carrying AA platforms on their backs.

"In the end it is NS" is never an excuse. How many of the site's denizens have used that pretext for their idiotic mechs?

[Spoder]

Whatever. In the end it is NS, and if you want you can have seals on unicycles carrying AA platforms on their backs.

"In the end it is NS" is never an excuse. How many of the site's denizens have used that pretext for their idiotic mechs?

It is perfectly acceptable.

Mecha is one of my favorite fandoms, and if you think mecha sucks then you're either in denial or just not interested in sci-fi at all.

[Heicliffe]

MBT-1980
(Image)

Production:
Designer: Heicliffean National Heavy Industry Bureau
Designed: 1974 - 1980
Manufacturers:
- Kaufmann Steelworks Inc.
- Gregory Motors Company
- Kalypso Heavy Machinery Corp.
Produced: 1980 - Present
Number Built: 955

Specifications:
Weight: 55 Tonnes
Crew: 4
Armour: 25 - 950mm Ferro-Ceramic Composite Armour, ERA and Slat Armour
Main Armament: TG5-MK3 120mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary Armament: VHMG 12.7mm Coaxial Gun
Engine: GM-1600V12 V-12 Liquid Cooled Twin Turbo Diesel Engine 1600 hp
Power/Weight: 29.1 hp/tonne
Operational Range: 470km

Following modernization trials in the mid 70's, the MBT-1980 was the result of six years of design work on the part of the National Heavy Industry Bureau (NHIB). Initially scoffed by Army Command due to the lack of prior military design experience on the part of the NHIB, the MBT-1980 (XT-5 during trials) was not the fastest, strongest, or most durable tank during trials but the best blend of all requirements. Built around the reputation of the Gregory Motors Corporation to provide a reliable, powerful, and simple diesel engine, an ongoing joke is that the engine will be the last thing to fail in an operational tank. After successfully completing Army trials, the XT-5 became the MBT-1980, and production began immediately to replace the aging and barely capable MBT-1950 force. ERA and Slat armour are available as kits to complement the composite layered armour against both HEAT and KEP style weapons.

Statblock/writeup. Thank you Erusuia for providing a framework for me to work in, although it looks like wikipedia was also an acceptable place to get that from.

for what does a tank of the 55-ton-class need 8 wheels per track? 6 or 7 would be enough.

To deal with aforementioned large-ass engine.
Long tank is long.

[The Akasha Colony]

Whatever. In the end it is NS, and if you want you can have seals on unicycles carrying AA platforms on their backs.

"In the end it is NS" is never an excuse. How many of the site's denizens have used that pretext for their idiotic mechs?

It's fine as a justification. People are on this site to have fun and often that means doing unrealistic things for no other reason than they enjoy it. It may not be a very good reason to come into the realism thread and blow off all of the realism advice, but that's an entirely separate matter.

[Lydenburg]

"In the end it is NS" is never an excuse. How many of the site's denizens have used that pretext for their idiotic mechs?

It is perfectly acceptable.

Mecha is one of my favorite fandoms, and if you think mecha sucks then you're either in denial or just not interested in sci-fi at all.

Emphasis on the sci-fi.

Look, I like the genre fine but there must be a reason sound arguments against mechs are linked to in the OP.

[Spoder]

It is perfectly acceptable.

Mecha is one of my favorite fandoms, and if you think mecha sucks then you're either in denial or just not interested in sci-fi at all.

Emphasis on the sci-fi.

Look, I like the genre fine but there must be a reason sound arguments against mechs are linked to in the OP.

Who the fuck said we need to be realistic?

The only reason I criticized your tank was because most people in this particular series of threads care about realism.

[Auroya]

"In the end it is NS" is never an excuse. How many of the site's denizens have used that pretext for their idiotic mechs?

It is perfectly acceptable.

Mecha is one of my favorite fandoms, and if you think mecha sucks then you're either in denial or just not interested in sci-fi at all.

I can't say I think it sucks. What I can say, though, is that I think it sucks in a realistic setting. In fact, it is horrendous as a realistic fighting vehicle.

The only thing is that my opinion them is somewhat shifted here because it's a thread de-facto centered on realism.

[Korva]

All this because he has mismatched coloring on his ERA...

It isn't even that weird, a quick google search yields a number of pics of real life tanks with a similar scheme.