Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Fire guns are absolutely unnecessary, pepper spray would do it for most problems.
That's what I'm saying, man!
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by Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:14 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Fire guns are absolutely unnecessary, pepper spray would do it for most problems.
by Cetacea » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm
Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:That brings the question:
"Should every man have a gun?"
by Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm
T Roosevelt wrote:Every man and women should have a gun, it's a natural part of an American education.
by Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:15 pm
Nadkor wrote:Mavorpen wrote:No, for the very compelling reason that it isn't effective and statistically backfires against them.
Not because it's a frankly ridiculous solution to a problem caused by men?
Men can't contain themselves and women may be threatened when they reject their 'advances'?
The answer isn't arming women. The answer is fixing whatever the fuck it is wrong with society that causes men to have so little respect for women that they believe that women owe them a fuck just because they said they had a nice smile or whatever and get angry and violent when it turns out that women have a different view of things.
by Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:16 pm
Lingang wrote:I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.
by Nadkor » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:17 pm
Lingang wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Not because it's a frankly ridiculous solution to a problem caused by men?
Men can't contain themselves and women may be threatened when they reject their 'advances'?
The answer isn't arming women. The answer is fixing whatever the fuck it is wrong with society that causes men to have so little respect for women that they believe that women owe them a fuck just because they said they had a nice smile or whatever and get angry and violent when it turns out that women have a different view of things.
I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.
by Kernen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:17 pm
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:WestRedMaple wrote:
Knives are generally inferior to firearms for self-defense. Successful self-defense relies on STOPPING an attacker, not killing them. Someone bleeding out after seriously harming or killing you is a failure. Stopping someone before they can do their damage is success
You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.
by Mavorpen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:17 pm
Nadkor wrote:Mavorpen wrote:No, for the very compelling reason that it isn't effective and statistically backfires against them.
Not because it's a frankly ridiculous solution to a problem caused by men?
Men can't contain themselves and women may be threatened when they reject their 'advances'?
The answer isn't arming women. The answer is fixing whatever the fuck it is wrong with society that causes men to have so little respect for women that they believe that women owe them a fuck just because they said they had a nice smile or whatever and get angry and violent when it turns out that women have a different view of things.
by Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:19 pm
by Lingang » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:20 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Lingang wrote:I think the problem is that there's a good number of self-entitled assholes out there. That can go for both men and women.
More than that, there's a societal problem regarding a dehumanization of women, stripping them of agency and rationality in the views of... I wouldn't say the majority, but I'd say a non-marginal proportion of the population.
by Shilya » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:20 pm
T Roosevelt wrote:This bring us to the question: Should every woman have a gun?
I think yes, because a woman can protect herself against sexual predators like the man who followed her for five minutes
but I'm concerned with setting the precedent of a woman shooting some man over something not so bad like a greeting.
I think men also should tip their hats or nod downward if they're going to compliment a woman. I believe anything else is creepy, what do you think?
Should every woman know how to a use gun and be armed with one?
by Seno Zhou Varada » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:21 pm
Kernen wrote:Seno Zhou Varada wrote:You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.
That's more then you need to deploy lethal force with a firearm: center of mass. Easier in a stressful situation.
A knife is equally hard to use in close quarters, though. You still have to draw it while under attack, and have to remember anatomy at the same time, by your explanation. I'll take a handgun every single time over a knife for self-defense.
by WestRedMaple » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:22 pm
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:WestRedMaple wrote:
Knives are generally inferior to firearms for self-defense. Successful self-defense relies on STOPPING an attacker, not killing them. Someone bleeding out after seriously harming or killing you is a failure. Stopping someone before they can do their damage is success
You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.
by Spoder » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:22 pm
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:Kernen wrote:
That's more then you need to deploy lethal force with a firearm: center of mass. Easier in a stressful situation.
A knife is equally hard to use in close quarters, though. You still have to draw it while under attack, and have to remember anatomy at the same time, by your explanation. I'll take a handgun every single time over a knife for self-defense.
I do understand your point of view as a firearm does sound less stressful but in these sort of situations with my training a knife would be the most useful as I know how to use it and disarm one effectively.
by Kernen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:24 pm
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:Kernen wrote:
That's more then you need to deploy lethal force with a firearm: center of mass. Easier in a stressful situation.
A knife is equally hard to use in close quarters, though. You still have to draw it while under attack, and have to remember anatomy at the same time, by your explanation. I'll take a handgun every single time over a knife for self-defense.
I do understand your point of view as a firearm does sound less stressful but in these sort of situations with my training a knife would be the most useful as I know how to use it and disarm one effectively.
by Empire of Narnia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:24 pm
by T Roosevelt » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:25 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:T Roosevelt wrote:Every man and women should have a gun, it's a natural part of an American education.
1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).
2. Not everyone wants a gun.
3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.
by Chernoslavia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:25 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:T Roosevelt wrote:Every man and women should have a gun, it's a natural part of an American education.
1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).
2. Not everyone wants a gun.
3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.
by Chernoslavia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:27 pm
Empire of Narnia wrote:It shows the failure of our society and culture when a woman needs to carry a deadly weapon just to walk on public streets. More powerful police and re-education for subversives is what is needed, not armed civilians.
by T Roosevelt » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:27 pm
by Kernen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:28 pm
T Roosevelt wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).
2. Not everyone wants a gun.
3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.
1. Plenty of people can be taught how to use a gun.
2. I don't care what everyone wants.
3. Pistols are traditionally American, the men who lived out West used them all the time and disputes were settled with dueling. President of the United States Andrew Jackson won duels, dueling is American as a salute.
by Seno Zhou Varada » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:28 pm
WestRedMaple wrote:Seno Zhou Varada wrote:You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.
You are mistaken. A wound meant to cause them to bleed out (which is what you claimed was the intent) leaves them adequate time to harm or kill you.
You are confused about the purpose of self-defense, even though I just pointed it out.
Once in actual physical contact, certainly a knife is a very valid choice. At any range beyond that, a firearm is more effective.
by Spoder » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:28 pm
T Roosevelt wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:1. There are plenty of people that should not be trusted with firearm ownership. Myself included (Though I do enjoy shooting them).
2. Not everyone wants a gun.
3. Long arms are more traditionally American than pistols.
1. Plenty of people can be taught how to use a gun.
2. I don't care what everyone wants.
3. Pistols are traditionally American, the men who lived out West used them all the time and disputes were settled with dueling. President of the United States Andrew Jackson won duels, dueling is American as a salute.
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