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by Dejanic » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:22 am
by Nadkor » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:22 am
Bombadil wrote:So much in the world to be angry about and people choose fair pay.. Tesco executives get paid hundreds and thousands to screw up, cleared by auditors, and this is but a small sample of corporate malfeasance.. let alone the global flattening if not real term decline of low end wages..
..but no, some women are asking for equal pay.. I wonder if they weigh the same as ducks so we can burn them.
by Nadkor » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:23 am
Ashmoria wrote:according to the OPs source the law in the UK is equal pay for work of equal value.
that's what they are suing for.
whats the big problem?
by The Nihilistic view » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:25 am
Nadkor wrote:Bombadil wrote:So much in the world to be angry about and people choose fair pay.. Tesco executives get paid hundreds and thousands to screw up, cleared by auditors, and this is but a small sample of corporate malfeasance.. let alone the global flattening if not real term decline of low end wages..
..but no, some women are asking for equal pay.. I wonder if they weigh the same as ducks so we can burn them.
Yes, how dare these uppity women ask that they be paid an equivalent amount as their male colleagues for doing equivalent work.
How dare they.
by Bombadil » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:26 am
by Central Slavia » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:27 am
Bombadil wrote:Central Slavia wrote:Because all large companies should be?
They are creating their profit by exploiting workers. Common ownership of means of production is preferrable.
There's nothing wrong with free market competition given it's checked by independent 3rd parties, rather than those paid by the company, such as auditors, or those where the industry appoints them themselves, such as press complaints, or those run by the government but stacked with industry insiders, such as food boards and treasuries..
It's the co-opting of checks and balances by the very people who need to be checked and balanced that's the problem.
Glorious Homeland wrote:
You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.
Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions
Great Nepal wrote:Please stick to OFFICIAL numbers. Why to go to scholars,[cut]
by Nadkor » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:29 am
Central Slavia wrote:Southern Hampshire wrote:
There is no such thing as a lawsuit for firing people after this.
I'm pretty damn sure that if you win some sort of compensation from your employer, and he fires you right afterwards, you can take him to court over that, and if you can show the two were related, it's bad time for him. Otherwise, employers could block employees from exercising their rights really easily.
by Ashmoria » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:30 am
Central Slavia wrote:Bombadil wrote:
There's nothing wrong with free market competition given it's checked by independent 3rd parties, rather than those paid by the company, such as auditors, or those where the industry appoints them themselves, such as press complaints, or those run by the government but stacked with industry insiders, such as food boards and treasuries..
It's the co-opting of checks and balances by the very people who need to be checked and balanced that's the problem.
Free market is a good servant but a bad master. It's OK in a very limited scope (see Jugoslavia during Tito's rule) but beyond that, enterprises should be state-run.
by Southern Hampshire » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:32 am
Central Slavia wrote:Southern Hampshire wrote:
There is no such thing as a lawsuit for firing people after this.
I'm pretty damn sure that if you win some sort of compensation from your employer, and he fires you right afterwards, you can take him to court over that, and if you can show the two were related, it's bad time for him. Otherwise, employers could block employees from exercising their rights really easily.
by Nadkor » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:35 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Yes, how dare these uppity women ask that they be paid an equivalent amount as their male colleagues for doing equivalent work.
How dare they.
Are you two reading about a different story or something?
Asda pays equal wages to men and women in the same job, they have a good record of this. This case is not about that, it's about different jobs being paid different amounts, any ruling is just as relevant to men as women.
by Bombadil » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:37 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Yes, how dare these uppity women ask that they be paid an equivalent amount as their male colleagues for doing equivalent work.
How dare they.
Are you two reading about a different story or something?
Asda pays equal wages to men and women in the same job, they have a good record of this. This case is not about that, it's about different jobs being paid different amounts, any ruling is just as relevant to men as women.
by Ashmoria » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:38 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Yes, how dare these uppity women ask that they be paid an equivalent amount as their male colleagues for doing equivalent work.
How dare they.
Are you two reading about a different story or something?
Asda pays equal wages to men and women in the same job, they have a good record of this. This case is not about that, it's about different jobs being paid different amounts, any ruling is just as relevant to men as women.
by Central Slavia » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:44 am
Southern Hampshire wrote:Central Slavia wrote:I'm pretty damn sure that if you win some sort of compensation from your employer, and he fires you right afterwards, you can take him to court over that, and if you can show the two were related, it's bad time for him. Otherwise, employers could block employees from exercising their rights really easily.
Not in the UK.
Glorious Homeland wrote:
You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.
Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions
Great Nepal wrote:Please stick to OFFICIAL numbers. Why to go to scholars,[cut]
by Nadkor » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:46 am
by Parti Ouvrier » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:46 am
Nadkor wrote:Forsher wrote: pay should reflect the difficulty of the job, and the warehouse one seems to be more difficult.
I have, in fact, worked both. Neither were in Asda - I worked in the warehouse in a Sainsbury's and on the floor/checkouts in a Tesco.
I am not strong, and I am not a particularly physical person generally, but give me the warehouse any day of the week. The floor is equally as 'back-breaking' as the warehouse, but in the warehouse you don't have to deal with the general fucking public.
Ask anyone who works in retail and they will tell you that the worst part of their job is the public. Any retail worker dealing with the public on a regular basis is a saint if they haven't snapped and killed after half an hour.
Asda should be paying these people millions.
by Bombadil » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:49 am
Nadkor wrote:If you read the article, you will see that the difference in pay is as much as £4/hour. In a 48 hour working week that's just under £10,000 per year.
The UK minimum wage for employees over the age of 21 is £6.50/hour. We can safely assume that Asda is paying at or only slightly above minimum wage. Let's be generous and say that those working on the floor are paid £7/hour. In a 48 hour week that's £17,472 per year.
Those working in the warehouse could, with an extra £4/hour, be making £27,456. Floor workers would make 63p for every £1 earned in the warehouse.
Is anyone here seriously arguing that the difference in value between the work done in the warehouse and the work done on the shop floor is so great as to warrant such a disparity in pay?
Serously?
by Farnhamia » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:59 am
Bombadil wrote:Nadkor wrote:If you read the article, you will see that the difference in pay is as much as £4/hour. In a 48 hour working week that's just under £10,000 per year.
The UK minimum wage for employees over the age of 21 is £6.50/hour. We can safely assume that Asda is paying at or only slightly above minimum wage. Let's be generous and say that those working on the floor are paid £7/hour. In a 48 hour week that's £17,472 per year.
Those working in the warehouse could, with an extra £4/hour, be making £27,456. Floor workers would make 63p for every £1 earned in the warehouse.
Is anyone here seriously arguing that the difference in value between the work done in the warehouse and the work done on the shop floor is so great as to warrant such a disparity in pay?
Serously?
Wait, so if I hire females under 21..
*profit*
by Dakini » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:39 am
by Ashmoria » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:46 am
Dakini wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Butthurt MRA dickheads furiously working themselves into a froth of misogyny?
That seems to be about it.
The fun part here is that if the women win, this ruling would also benefit all the men who work in the retail sector of the company too. You'd think it would be a win-win situation as far as it goes.
by Dakini » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:48 am
Ashmoria wrote:Dakini wrote:The fun part here is that if the women win, this ruling would also benefit all the men who work in the retail sector of the company too. You'd think it would be a win-win situation as far as it goes.
the back pay would be such a boon to these low wage workers. it seems very exciting.
by Bojikami » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:49 am
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