The Rejected Times

[Nephmir]

Why wasn't I invited?

Who are you again?

Right. But perhaps before you resort to being snarky, you'll recall that I was invited to the failed Liberation of Anarchy. I also brought along 3 others with me from TEK, which I could have done this time and set the number over the Endo margin.

[Blood Wine]

Who are you again?

Right. But perhaps before you resort to being snarky, you'll recall that I was invited to the failed Liberation of Anarchy. I also brought along 3 others with me from TEK, which I could have done this time and set the number over the Endo margin.

Seriously though,why do you expect a special invite without even having an functional government or army?

[Benevolent Thomas]

Who are you again?

Right. But perhaps before you resort to being snarky, you'll recall that I was invited to the failed Liberation of Anarchy. I also brought along 3 others with me from TEK, which I could have done this time and set the number over the Endo margin.

I say it because I have no idea where your allegiances lay. First its "lets destroy TBR, UDL and 10KI", then its like "anti-TBR", then "we wanna be like TBR", then TEK dies and you go elsewhere. Give us a shred of consistency and maybe you'll be greeted with something other than snark by anybody.

[Alustrian]

Not saying that TEK would have been invited, but to any defenders who didn't hear about this and are wondering why, the short notice on this op made contacting everyone rather difficult (especially if I didn't have a standard method of reaching out to you).

[Blood Wine]

Not saying that TEK would have been invited, but to any defenders who didn't hear about this and are wondering why, the short notice on this op made contacting everyone rather difficult (especially if I didn't have a standard method of reaching out to you).

*cough* skype *cough* contacts *cough* /groups *cough*

[Unibot III]

I had considered asking Nephmir, but I wasn't sure where Nephmir stood on the mission.

[Karputsk]

Not saying that TEK would have been invited, but to any defenders who didn't hear about this and are wondering why, the short notice on this op made contacting everyone rather difficult (especially if I didn't have a standard method of reaching out to you).

*cough* skype *cough* contacts *cough* /groups *cough*

I would be fairly impressed if Dyr had everyone's details who might be interested.

[Shadoke]

*cough* skype *cough* contacts *cough* /groups *cough*

I would be fairly impressed if Dyr had everyone's details who might be interested.

I have plenty of raiders on speed dial, not a feat of impression.

[Karputsk]

I meant to add emphasis on 'everyone's' but I'll do so now.

[Shadoke]

I just mean to say this may have been successful with more planning, like waiting till tonight or tommorrows updates
Now we expect ya

[Blood Wine]

I would be fairly impressed if Dyr had everyone's details who might be interested.

I have plenty of raiders on speed dial, not a feat of impression.

While being out of the loop for quite some time and doing a few loose raids,I count 24 contacts tagged as raiders,even if 1/4th is online at update,it's still 6 troops

[Unibot III]

I just mean to say this may have been successful with more planning, like waiting till tonight or tommorrows updates
Now we expect ya

Intel is much harder to get on missions when even the lead officers don't know about them until three hours before.

[Shadoke]

I just mean to say this may have been successful with more planning, like waiting till tonight or tommorrows updates
Now we expect ya

Intel is much harder to get on missions when even the lead officers don't know about them until three hours before.

Hence wait.plan.succeed

Not much would happen in a day or so.

[Kazmr]

I just mean to say this may have been successful with more planning

And there lies the key advantage raiders have

For defenders, there often isn't the luxury of 'more planning'. Wait an extra day, the raider delegate gets a lot more influence accrued, perhaps another native, or two, or three is banned (meaning less endorsements on the native delegate). Maybe you're lucky enough that the raider delegate is offline and you just have to go for it and can't afford to wait.

Raiders can bide their time since they're usually the one to make the first move. Defenders have to be reactionary, everything we do is in response, and thus when and where we go isn't typically on our own terms.

[Shadoke]

I just mean to say this may have been successful with more planning

And there lies the key advantage raiders have

For defenders, there often isn't the luxury of 'more planning'. Wait an extra day, the raider delegate gets a lot more influence accrued, perhaps another native, or two, or three is banned (meaning less endorsements on the native delegate). Maybe you're lucky enough that the raider delegate is offline and you just have to go for it and can't afford to wait.

Raiders can bide their time since they're usually the one to make the first move. Defenders have to be reactionary, everything we do is in response, and thus when and where we go isn't typically on our own terms.

Yes, And I realize that. But that is just the casualties of making sure your successful;, because now that will still happen, Even though you tried. More natives will be banned.

[Blood Wine]

I just mean to say this may have been successful with more planning

And there lies the key advantage raiders have

For defenders, there often isn't the luxury of 'more planning'. Wait an extra day, the raider delegate gets a lot more influence accrued, perhaps another native, or two, or three is banned (meaning less endorsements on the native delegate). Maybe you're lucky enough that the raider delegate is offline and you just have to go for it and can't afford to wait.

Raiders can bide their time since they're usually the one to make the first move. Defenders have to be reactionary, everything we do is in response, and thus when and where we go isn't typically on our own terms.

Eh what? it might be true for some part,but you're exaggerating a bit,taking out another day to organize more nations is more important considering the occupation is still pretty fresh,maybe you'll lose 1-2 endorsements in the day,but you'll make up for it having those extra nations that show up because of the longer notice

[Southern Bellz]

I do not get the chest thumping over failing to liberate a region.

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[Benevolent Thomas]

I do not get the chest thumping over failing to liberate a region.

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Nor do I I think we're just reassuring one another via back-patting. We keep the feels between defenders good enough and maybe we'll actually begin to mount some successful liberations.

[North East Somerset]

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A lot of complex allegiances going on there in the Defender camp - to make it look like a bigger coalition?

Does FRA have a future if it can manage only 1 unit for a major operation, and all it's member regions are going to run independent forces?

[The Rejected Times]

A Consensus Reached: Down with Independentism
The South Pacific disavows its old “Independent” label
COMMENTARY | UNIBOT


Change, my dear and it seems not a moment too soon…

A remarkable change of tone has swept through the corridors of power in The South Pacific. The Assembly has voted 15-0 to disavow its “independent” label. Certainly, this is a major change for a region which only a year ago might have been described by some commentators as “devoutly” independent. The consensus was reached in regards to a recent amendment to Article 4.5 of the Code of Laws, which had labelled the South Pacific Special Forces, an “independent” army and explicitly condemned the presence of ideology in military policy.

The old independent label had long been a bone of contention, largely because it tied The South Pacific to a set of interregional expectations in regards to what an “independent” region was supposed to do – these expectations are, of course, the subject of the ongoing Independence Conference whose Europeian hosts controversially declined to invite The South Pacific to attend. Likewise there was significant debate surrounding whether independentism was in fact an ideology (not an absence of ideology), plus others too found the phrasing of “regional interests” invited a long, protracted and never particularly constructive regional dialogue over what the region’s “interests” entailed.

One of the more recent complaints about independentism surrounded its practical use – some found that in all likelihood, the SPSF was not currently justifying its actions based on the interests of their region, but instead the preferences of its soldiers – the interests of the region play a more retroactive role in managing the SPSF as, historically, officers have avoided leading missions which could have contradicted the foreign policy of their current government.

Kringalia, Delegate of The South Pacific was positive about the move.

“I am glad to see that this amendment was unanimously adopted,” says Kringalia. “While there is nothing wrong with Independence, some of us felt that the label simply didn’t fit the culture and interests of the South Pacific nowadays. I was favourably surprised by the civilised tone of the debate in the Assembly, which shows that it is possible to have a debate on ideology and still respect each other. In terms of the amendment itself, it was specifically drafted to make an accurate description of how our Special Forces already work, engaging in missions with both sides, and being welcoming to new recruits, regardless of their personal stances, which we agreed was a great model to follow.”

The new amendment replaces the old independent phrasing with a new value-neutral wording, which emphasises the necessity of civilian control of the military, supremacy of the law and foreign policy over military policy and an open and tolerant stance that embraces the diversity of The South Pacific’s members.

Last night, The South Pacific Special Forces conducted their first mission, among many more to come, we reckon, as a non-independent army in the attempted liberation of Coalition of Catholic States.

[The Sapientia]

We need more GCR Raiders.

[RiderSyl]

Nice to hear another GCR is allowing its military to actually behave like a military.

Unfortunate their first mission was an attempted liberation, but that's okay. TSP can overcome a bad start (with more raids).

[Yao]

Good for them. No one needs to subscribe to the "independent" label to be a region that is independent.

[Unibot III]

Good for them. No one needs to subscribe to the "independent" label to be a region that is independent.

Agreed. It's a terrible crime that "independent" regions have painted other regions like The South Pacific, Lazarus, The Rejected Realms, even The East Pacific as not being 'independent' because they don't subscribe to their ideology. We are free regions and we will do what we do based on our foreign policy, not Europeian foreign policy (or whoever claims to be the arbiter of independence today).

[Solorni]

While it is a bit disappointing that TSP has dropped independentism despite its long and proud history with it, it's worse seeing Unibot selling snake oil with it. It is amazing that after all this time, he still has not made a post demonstrating any sort of comprehension of independence. This is not to say he doesn't understand it, I personally think he does. But when you look at Unibots agenda and target audience, it is pretty obvious why he does it.

It is the politics of the lowest common denominator and it appeals to that segment of NS.