Anti-Incest Laws in Germany under review

[Pandeeria]

Unless you want to enforce a Big-Brother type of society, it cannot be enforced.

But... Big Brother being too intrusive is the very problem we're trying to stop!

We should have a Big Brother society, except I can be the ruler of it.

Then I can abolish the concept of Big Broter itself.

[Purpelia]

The Westermarck Effect still applies to an overwhelming majority of the population, so I doubt it would affect the gene pool that much.

I'm more concerned with the offspring of incestuous unions marrying into the general population.

Why? Incest is not a magic defect switch. A person born from incest is either defective or not. And if he is not than there is no more risk of him or her producing defective offspring than any other human being. Seriously. The kind of massive defects people imagine only really happen when you get many generations of sustained uninterrupted incestuous breeding within a single family. And even than the effects are rare and overinflated because we only tend to notice the bad ones.

[ESTU]

Given that allowing incest would poison, quite literally, the human gene pool, I would say this is a really bad idea, especially in the long run. If they can find a way around this, I don't see a problem. But otherwise, no-no. I don't care how much you "love" your sister.

I'm sorry you're concerned that inbreeding will become so prevalent that it will result in massive harm to our species?

I'm not concerned with the whole planet, just (hypothetically, since I live in Texas) my little corner of it. If they tried to pass something like that here, I would definitely be justified in my concerns.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I've been reading through this thread and I frankly don't know what to think. All I can say is that I don't see myself falling in love with a sibling but to each their own.

What about your son's daughter's great-grandmother's grandson's father?

They'll have 4 eyes? 2 mouths? I don't know.

[Sun Wukong]

The Westermarck Effect still applies to an overwhelming majority of the population, so I doubt it would affect the gene pool that much.

I'm more concerned with the offspring of incestuous unions marrying into the general population.

But that would nullify it's effect...

It's not like they can stock up on recessive traits. If their non-incestuous partner doesn't have it too, the child is only going to get one of them. The same as their ancestor started with.

[Abyssiniana]

No I'm not.

Good for you. You have no insights that the world as a whole lacks, you have no information denied to anyone else, you have not been granted a superior vantage point. You have just disagreed with me, defend yourself.

You see this is why I don't talk to liberal trash like you, you are self-loathing leftist white democrat that probably lives in a nice house and loves the multicultural globalist world the way it is and want to keep it that way. I disagreed with you, because I know for a fact what you said was stupid. I don't have to go through data and facts just to defend my statement, I know I'm right, I know that people who are sane and not into this delusional love excuse, will also have the same view point. So I'm done now, it's time for the Chickens coming home to roost in Germany.

[Othelos]

I'm sorry you're concerned that inbreeding will become so prevalent that it will result in massive harm to our species?

I'm not concerned with the whole planet, just (hypothetically, since I live in Texas) my little corner of it. If they tried to pass something like that here, I would definitely be justified in my concerns.

Incest is already legal in the US

[Zaldakki]

What about your son's daughter's great-grandmother's grandson's father?

They'll have 4 eyes? 2 mouths? I don't know.

Actually, your son's daughter's great-grandmother's grandson's father is just the father of your son, okay sis?

[Pandeeria]

No I'm not.

Good for you. You have no insights that the world as a whole lacks, you have no information denied to anyone else, you have not been granted a superior vantage point. You have just disagreed with me, defend yourself.

You see this is why I don't talk to liberal trash like you, you are self-loathing leftist white democrat that probably lives in a nice house and loves the multicultural globalist world the way it is and want to keep it that way. I disagreed with you, because I know for a fact what you said was stupid. I don't have to go through data and facts just to defend my statement, I know I'm right, I know that people who are sane and not into this delusional love excuse, will also have the same view point. So I'm done now, it's time for the Chickens coming home to roost in Germany.

There she blows...

Seriously, if you can't back up any arguement with facts, data, and/or logic, you might as well not bother coming to NSG. Stick to zforum 7, P2TM, and Gameplay.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

They'll have 4 eyes? 2 mouths? I don't know.

Actually, your son's daughter's great-grandmother's grandson's father is just the father of your son, okay sis?

Since when do we live in Westeros?

Anyway, no, I don't know what to think about this.

[Sun Wukong]

All modern Cheetahs are descended from a bottleneck population of 7-10 individuals. They seem to do okay.

Are you sure?

I've heard that once an animal population drops below 3,000 and especially on BC times, it's practically game over for it.

Yes. As an interesting side-effect, Cheetahs do not suffer tissue rejection issues to the same extent humans do. You can graft skin or transplant organs from one cheetah to another with very little risk outside of infection.

Though it does render them more vulnerable to certain diseases. For instance, there is a portion of the human population that is more resistant to HIV, but there is no portion of the cheetah population that is more or less resistant to anything.

[Ifreann]

The Westermarck Effect still applies to an overwhelming majority of the population, so I doubt it would affect the gene pool that much.

I'm more concerned with the offspring of incestuous unions marrying into the general population.

Can you expend on this concern, or have you taken The Simpsons to be a biological documentary?

[Des-Bal]

You see this is why I don't talk to liberal trash like you, you are self-loathing leftist white democrat that probably lives in a nice house and loves the multicultural globalist world the way it is and want to keep it that way. I disagreed with you, because I know for a fact what you said was stupid. I don't have to go through data and facts just to defend my statement, I know I'm right, I know that people who are sane and not into this delusional love excuse, will also have the same view point. So I'm done now, it's time for the Chickens coming home to roost in Germany.

I'm a black right-libertarian, self-adoring, nonpartisan who lives in a shitty apartment and has varying views on multiculturalism.

You disagreed with me because you had a bad feeling in your tummy. It wasn't based on logic, it wasn't based on reason it was based on the the fact that you found something upsetting and deep down in your tummy you felt bad. Instead of considering the source of these feelings or analyzing the logic of the situation independently from your feelings you decided that anyone who didn't have a bad feeling in their tummy was wrong and dumb.

I said nothing you can't verify with a simple google search and I saved you the trouble by providing sources. When you can't defend yourself you're wrong. Even if what you're saying is right. If you cannot defend your beliefs then they are not based in logic and that means that you are wrong to have them.

[ESTU]

Given that allowing incest would poison, quite literally, the human gene pool, I would say this is a really bad idea, especially in the long run. If they can find a way around this, I don't see a problem. But otherwise, no-no. I don't care how much you "love" your sister.

Our genes are already limited quite severely (around 75,000 BC, our population dropped to less then 10,000) so our gene pool has derived off from that small batch of people. Limiting more won't hurt, especially when very little people will partake in incest, and already many do.

It's exactly because of that limitation that incest should not be tolerated. And true, incest isn't as common as gay marriage, but then again, incest is against the law and social suicide in most places. Just imagine if they allow it, and only a few more people brave enough to take the step start doing it, and then a few more people, and then a few more...and then the taboo incest is eventually eradicated. Just the possibility is where I draw the line.

[Des-Bal]

It's exactly because of that limitation that incest should not be tolerated. And true, incest isn't as common as gay marriage, but then again, incest is against the law and social suicide in most places. Just imagine if they allow it, and only a few more people brave enough to take the step start doing it, and then a few more people, and then a few more...and then the taboo incest is eventually eradicated. Just the possibility is where I draw the line.

Don't pretend you knew about that before he brought it up. Your beliefs are not based on things you didn't know before you joined the discussion and you should not try to defend them on principles you didn't form them with.
Also: Slippery Slope.

[Ifreann]

Actually, your son's daughter's great-grandmother's grandson's father is just the father of your son, okay sis?

Since when do we live in Westeros?

Nanatsu of House no Tsuki, the first of her name, queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men.

[Sun Wukong]

No I'm not.

Good for you. You have no insights that the world as a whole lacks, you have no information denied to anyone else, you have not been granted a superior vantage point. You have just disagreed with me, defend yourself.

You see this is why I don't talk to liberal trash like you, you are self-loathing leftist white democrat that probably lives in a nice house and loves the multicultural globalist world the way it is and want to keep it that way. I disagreed with you, because I know for a fact what you said was stupid. I don't have to go through data and facts just to defend my statement, I know I'm right, I know that people who are sane and not into this delusional love excuse, will also have the same view point. So I'm done now, it's time for the Chickens coming home to roost in Germany.

Dude... Des is Black. And a Libertarian.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Since when do we live in Westeros?

Nanatsu of House no Tsuki, the first of her name, queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men.

That shall go on my sig, King Iffy.

[Pandeeria]

Are you sure?

I've heard that once an animal population drops below 3,000 and especially on BC times, it's practically game over for it.

Yes. As an interesting side-effect, Cheetahs do not suffer tissue rejection issues to the same extent humans do. You can graft skin or transplant organs from one cheetah to another with very little risk outside of infection.

Though it does render them more vulnerable to certain diseases. For instance, there is a portion of the human population that is more resistant to HIV, but there is no portion of the cheetah population that is more or less resistant to anything.

Which portion of the Human population is resistant to HIV?

[Purpelia]

It's exactly because of that limitation that incest should not be tolerated. And true, incest isn't as common as gay marriage, but then again, incest is against the law and social suicide in most places. Just imagine if they allow it, and only a few more people brave enough to take the step start doing it, and then a few more people, and then a few more...and then the taboo incest is eventually eradicated. Just the possibility is where I draw the line.

And again, why is incest so terribly wrong? By the time enough people interbreed for it to cause serious systemic issues for the human race, or even a major city population we would be well into the second half of this millennium. And by than medical science will hopefully have advanced to the point where we can screen people for this sort of stuff.

[Sun Wukong]

Since when do we live in Westeros?

Nanatsu of House no Tsuki, the first of her name, queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men.

Words: We do not Troll!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Nanatsu of House no Tsuki, the first of her name, queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men.

Words: We do not Troll!

Much.

[Jumalariik]

Incest is terrible and an affront to humans, let's be honest, the world is better off without it.

Incest is no such thing. It's weird, sure, but being into feet seems weird to me and you don't see me calling that an affront to humans.

I'm gonna shove my Holy book in your face. It is strictly prohibited in the Bible, no matter how many accusations you throw at me, I will hate the idea of incest with a passion, it should never be legal.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Your an idiot, and you should be Sterilize.

And you are flaming and trolling enough in this thread. *** 1 day ban ***

[Pandeeria]

Our genes are already limited quite severely (around 75,000 BC, our population dropped to less then 10,000) so our gene pool has derived off from that small batch of people. Limiting more won't hurt, especially when very little people will partake in incest, and already many do.

It's exactly because of that limitation that incest should not be tolerated. And true, incest isn't as common as gay marriage, but then again, incest is against the law and social suicide in most places. Just imagine if they allow it, and only a few more people brave enough to take the step start doing it, and then a few more people, and then a few more...and then the taboo incest is eventually eradicated. Just the possibility is where I draw the line.

If you reduce and eventually weed out the taboo concept of incest, people will stop doing it, because the taboo aspect is what makes incest hot.