Australia Welfare- Riot Police removing children at gunpoint

[Cetacea]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/ar ... d=11324084

So footage has been shown on Aboriginal TV apparently showing police officers dressed in riot gear raiding a home to remove multiple children from one family. The police have confirmed that the raid did occur as part of department of Family and Community Services child protection case.
However although the kids spent 5 months in foster care, the parents have not been charged and the children are now back with their parents.

In response to criticisms the Welfare department have said "NSW police provide critical protection in often very complex and difficult child protection matters. Police only attend a child protection issue after a stringent risk assessment."

Now for those who don't know Aboriginals (the indigenous people of Australia) suffer significant racism in Australia, many live in impoverished conditions and have significant alcholism and abuse statistics. There is also significant sensitivity due to the old 'stolen generation' policy which up to the 70's involved Aboriginal children being forcibly removed from their homes and adopted into White families.

Anyway what say you NSG? Is sending riot police into a Child removal situation justified? or does the trauma suffered by the children outweigh safety concerns from Welfare staff.

I'm not suggesting the parents were squeaky clean - a tour of the Aboriginal family house shows that it is clean, but there are holes in the walls and apparently they have had run ins with the law before. But really if its bad enough to use Riot gear than why are the kids back in the parents care?
To me it shows either complete overkill from the Police or total incompetence from the Welfare services

(NB at least its not just US police overkill this time )

[Keyboard Warriors]

To me it shows either complete overkill from the Police or total incompetence from the Welfare services

How do you reach this conclusion from watching a video? Do you know why the children were originally planned to be removed? Do you know who or what the police expected in that house during the raid?

(NB at least its not just US police overkill this time )

Disgusting.

[Australian rePublic]

Shit
Why wasn't this on any other network?

[Risottia]

But really if its bad enough to use Riot gear than why are the kids back in the parents care?

I'm just guessing as the article doesn't provide a lot of insight, but maybe the riot gear was thought to be useful because parents can be really upset when you take their kids away. After checking better - or the family changing somewhat - turns out that the foster home isn't necessary anymore so kids are sent back to their family. Not seeing a contradiction in that.

Anyway, unless the parents were thought to have weapons of some sort, sending in the riot police seems just overkill to me - and also bad PR, which is stupid. A couple dozens ordinary agents would have been more than enough, and would have shocked the kids less.

[Quintium]

If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.

[Vitaphone Racing]

A perfect example of the disgusting, abhorrent racism that's present in most Australians. Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

[Quintium]

Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

Why? Aboriginals are famous for spending tens of thousands of years on a beautiful, warm, fertile continent, burning nearly all the forests down and inventing the stick.
And now, there are literally ads running to tell Aboriginals not to drink petrol or sleep in the road.

[Cetacea]

If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse

if that was the case then the children should not have been returned to the parents care - hence the possibility of welfare incompetence

, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.

which could have been dealt with by normal police

and the actually events (from the little we do know) shows that no such rioting took place - surely a normal police presence would be enough and the riot squad could have been called in only if required.

Its my opinion that the Riot squad should not be the first response to a welfare case ...

[Keyboard Warriors]

If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse

if that was the case then the children should not have been returned to the parents care - hence the possibility of welfare incompetence

Welfare incompetence would be the process of not reacting to evidence of claims which allege child abuse. I am not entirely sure what you are suggesting right now. If you are asking that police not act on child abuse allegations unless they are certain without a doubt then I must very respectfully tell you that such procedures often result in children remaining in abusive situations which can often be life threatening. If you are suggesting that police should always interpret the evidence right, then you should know that this isn't a perfect world. This is by no means an incident of incompetence.

, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.

which could have been dealt with by normal police

and the actually events (from the little we do know) shows that no such rioting took place - surely a normal police presence would be enough and the riot squad could have been called in only if required.

Its my opinion that the Riot squad should not be the first response to a welfare case ...

They were not involved.

NSW police provided the following statement:

'About 6am on Wednesday 15 January 2014 police from Moree Local Area Command assisted Family and Community Services officers in the execution of a warrant issued by the local court.

'This was a local operation and did not involve specialist commands like the TOU. (tactical operations unit)

'Children aged between one and 13 who had been identified as being at risk were removed from a home ... by FACS.

'Police attended to prevent any breach of the peace or public order incident.

'One man was detained in handcuffs for a short period. No charges were laid.'

Further, can I point out that this took place on an extremely remote property and "calling in riot police when they are required" is calling them from six hours away?

[Dumb Ideologies]

A perfect example of the disgusting, abhorrent racism that's present in most Australians. Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

That sounds like disgusting, abhorrent racism towards Australians

[Agritum]

A perfect example of the disgusting, abhorrent racism that's present in most Australians. Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

That sounds like disgusting, abhorrent racism towards Australians

Indeed.

I mean, it isn't very hard to find at least some Austrialians who aren't racist against aboriginals and the likes of that. People are different.

[Costa Fierro]

Shit
Why wasn't this on any other network?

Because it involves Aborigines.

[Imperializt Russia]

That sounds like disgusting, abhorrent racism towards Australians

Indeed.

I mean, it isn't very hard to find at least some Austrialians who aren't racist against aboriginals and the likes of that. People are different.

It's almost as though Vitaphone is himself Australian and somewhat better-placed to comment on treatment of Aborigines in his country than a bunch of yanks.

[Registug]

A perfect example of the disgusting, abhorrent racism that's present in most Australians. Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

Agreed

Most of my family don't even know where "boat people" come from. They think they're all Indonesian. I'M FROM INDONESIA, DID THEY FORGET?

[New Chalcedon]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11324084

So footage has been shown on Aboriginal TV apparently showing police officers dressed in riot gear raiding a home to remove multiple children from one family. The police have confirmed that the raid did occur as part of department of Family and Community Services child protection case.
However although the kids spent 5 months in foster care, the parents have not been charged and the children are now back with their parents.

In response to criticisms the Welfare department have said "NSW police provide critical protection in often very complex and difficult child protection matters. Police only attend a child protection issue after a stringent risk assessment."

Now for those who don't know Aboriginals (the indigenous people of Australia) suffer significant racism in Australia, many live in impoverished conditions and have significant alcholism and abuse statistics. There is also significant sensitivity due to the old 'stolen generation' policy which up to the 70's involved Aboriginal children being forcibly removed from their homes and adopted into White families.

Anyway what say you NSG? Is sending riot police into a Child removal situation justified? or does the trauma suffered by the children outweigh safety concerns from Welfare staff.

I'm not suggesting the parents were squeaky clean - a tour of the Aboriginal family house shows that it is clean, but there are holes in the walls and apparently they have had run ins with the law before. But really if its bad enough to use Riot gear than why are the kids back in the parents care?
To me it shows either complete overkill from the Police or total incompetence from the Welfare services

(NB at least its not just US police overkill this time )

Minor correction: The racial policy of removing indigenous kids from their parents ended in 1969 - although some places were slower to comply with the order to stop it than others.

Having said that, it's still an open wound as far as Australian race relations are concerned - and calling for the riot squad is overkill, no doubts about it. Even if the welfare services were afraid the parents would violently resist, regular police would be more than sufficient, I'd imagine.

[Ainin]

If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.

What is riot police supposed to do against people with guns exactly? Whack them with plastic shields?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Indeed.

I mean, it isn't very hard to find at least some Austrialians who aren't racist against aboriginals and the likes of that. People are different.

It's almost as though Vitaphone is himself Australian and somewhat better-placed to comment on treatment of Aborigines in his country than a bunch of yanks.

It's fine to negatively stereotype and cast aspersions on a group if you're part of it and that somehow automatically becomes accurate rather than a oversimplistic caricature? Is that what you're saying?

And for someone with the sig you've got, well you're not doing very well at not assuming everyone is American.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's almost as though Vitaphone is himself Australian and somewhat better-placed to comment on treatment of Aborigines in his country than a bunch of yanks.

It's fine to negatively stereotype and cast aspersions on a group if you're part of it and that somehow automatically becomes accurate rather than a oversimplistic caricature? Is that what you're saying?

And for someone with the sig you've got, well you're not doing very well at not assuming everyone is American.

Assumed until stated otherwise.
I have stated.

What Vitaphone actually stated is there is an enormous problem with racism in Australia. It is pretty disgusting.
This was somehow seen as itself "racist".

[Donut section]

If you're going to judge the situation, you should get all of your facts straight. They might have a very good reason for using riot police.
For example, the children might have been subject to physical abuse, or the parents might be armed, or they might have their entire extended family out to riot against the police.

What is riot police supposed to do against people with guns exactly? Whack them with plastic shields?

People with guns?
Australia?

I'm Australian and have unfortunately had a fair amount to do with crime and criminals and the only people who were interested in guns were the police.

Not saying that there aren't Australians who have guns, just that it seems weird to see people concerned about guns over here.

[Macedom]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11324084

So footage has been shown on Aboriginal TV apparently showing police officers dressed in riot gear raiding a home to remove multiple children from one family. The police have confirmed that the raid did occur as part of department of Family and Community Services child protection case.
However although the kids spent 5 months in foster care, the parents have not been charged and the children are now back with their parents.

In response to criticisms the Welfare department have said "NSW police provide critical protection in often very complex and difficult child protection matters. Police only attend a child protection issue after a stringent risk assessment."

Now for those who don't know Aboriginals (the indigenous people of Australia) suffer significant racism in Australia, many live in impoverished conditions and have significant alcholism and abuse statistics. There is also significant sensitivity due to the old 'stolen generation' policy which up to the 70's involved Aboriginal children being forcibly removed from their homes and adopted into White families.

Anyway what say you NSG? Is sending riot police into a Child removal situation justified? or does the trauma suffered by the children outweigh safety concerns from Welfare staff.

I'm not suggesting the parents were squeaky clean - a tour of the Aboriginal family house shows that it is clean, but there are holes in the walls and apparently they have had run ins with the law before. But really if its bad enough to use Riot gear than why are the kids back in the parents care?
To me it shows either complete overkill from the Police or total incompetence from the Welfare services

(NB at least its not just US police overkill this time )

I'd just like to ask, are you Australian?

[Ifreann]

A perfect example of the disgusting, abhorrent racism that's present in most Australians. Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

That sounds like disgusting, abhorrent racism towards Australians

Aussies like a little racism, though.

[Ainin]

What is riot police supposed to do against people with guns exactly? Whack them with plastic shields?

People with guns?
Australia?

I'm Australian and have unfortunately had a fair amount to do with crime and criminals and the only people who were interested in guns were the police.

Not saying that there aren't Australians who have guns, just that it seems weird to see people concerned about guns over here.

I know, but I'm just wondering. Even if they were armed, what use would riot police be? Not like plastic shields are bulletproof. They may be stabproof, but I doubt it.

[Tubbsalot]

Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

Really? I know there are a lot of scumbags here, but saying "most Australians" are "disgusting abhorrent racists" is pretty strong.

Why? Aboriginals are famous for spending tens of thousands of years on a beautiful, warm, fertile continent, burning nearly all the forests down and inventing the stick.
And now, there are literally ads running to tell Aboriginals not to drink petrol or sleep in the road.

You just never miss an opportunity to mention how all darkies are stupid, backwards drug addicts, huh.

It astounds me that you're aware of the practise of intentional burning by Aborigines, and yet you've failed to learn why it was done or what the consequences are. (Hint: it's a good thing.)

[Registug]

Personally, I would've specified "bogans and fuckheaded conservative politicians" as the racist bunch.

[Cenetra]

Their hatred of aboriginals and "boat people" is frankly astounding.

Why? Aboriginals are famous for spending tens of thousands of years on a beautiful, warm, fertile continent, burning nearly all the forests down and inventing the stick.
And now, there are literally ads running to tell Aboriginals not to drink petrol or sleep in the road.

Stormfront.org is that way.