The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, Model 4

[Bezombia]

...did you think they just skipped 15 and went right from 14 to 16?

They did between 1 and 14.

I was under the impression that there were actually 13 rifles between the Garand and the M14, but they were all experimental.


When you google "M2 Rifle" this is what you get:

[Sevvania]

<br abp="762">They did between 1 and 14.

Not really, there were the M1-M3 carbines, and now the M4, but those numbers in between were prototypes or something, no?

I think carbines are numbered differently than service rifles, which is why we had both the M1 Carbine and the M1 Garand.

[Computerised Equality]

For my infantry squads and platoons, would having 1 designated marksman per squad and one sniper team per platoon work well? That would be 4 DMs per platoon.

1 DM per squad is alright, potentially more than you need, though, unless your troops are routinely engaging in long range fighting, such as in Afghanistan. I can't tell you the numbers of DMs per platoon in the US Army, but in the Soviet deployment to Afghanistan I believe they found 1 DM per platoon (motorised rifles) was adequate.
Now, snipers attached at the platoon level is quite unorthodox. I believe most militaries attach them at the battalion level, since they normally operate independently, rather than supporting a platoon.

[Immoren]

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[Immoren]

For my infantry squads and platoons, would having 1 designated marksman per squad and one sniper team per platoon work well? That would be 4 DMs per platoon.

1 DM per squad is alright, potentially more than you need, though, unless your troops are routinely engaging in long range fighting, such as in Afghanistan. I can't tell you the numbers of DMs per platoon in the US Army, but in the Soviet deployment to Afghanistan I believe they found 1 DM per platoon (motorised rifles) was adequate.
Now, snipers attached at the platoon level is quite unorthodox. I believe most militaries attach them at the battalion level, since they normally operate independently, rather than supporting a platoon.

Finland employs 4 men sniper team per company, and that team can be split to two two man sniper teams to support two of 3-4 platoons of the company.

[San-Silvacian]

Soviet platoons would have as many as 6 SVDs during the Afghanistan war. Its mostly 1-2 SVDs now. However the unique combat situation that was presented in Afghanistan warranted such a number.

French infantry platoons have 2 FR-F2 rifles.

US Army platoons don't have a marksman, instead they issue ACOGs and have 2 M240B machine guns in a weapons support squad, while the Soviet platoon doesn't have a GPMG instead having RPKs, and the French only have 3 FN Minimis.

[Imperializt Russia]

They did between 1 and 14.

Not really, there were the M1-M3 carbines, and now the M4, but those designations in between 1 and 14 were prototypes or something, no? I mean, there are fillers within those designations.

Those were Carbine Model 1 through 3, and now 4 with the M4 Carbine.
Rifle M1 skipped straight to Rifle M14, M15 in little service and now Rifle M16.

They did between 1 and 14.

I was under the impression that there were actually 13 rifles between the Garand and the M14, but they were all experimental.


When you google "M2 Rifle" this is what you get:

Isn't that actually the M41 Mark 2?

Soviet platoons would have as many as 6 SVDs during the Afghanistan war. Its mostly 1-2 SVDs now. However the unique combat situation that was presented in Afghanistan warranted such a number.

French infantry platoons have 2 FR-F2 rifles.

US Army platoons don't have a marksman, instead they issue ACOGs and have 2 M240B machine guns in a weapons support squad, while the Soviet platoon doesn't have a GPMG instead having RPKs, and the French only have 3 FN Minimis.

According to helmet footage from Our War, British platoons in Afghanistan would sometimes have had two L96 rifles and an L86, and have now begun procuring the L129 rifle in presumably the same role.

[Glorious ReBublic of Alevstan]

Ok. So I'll have 2 DMs attached to the platoon level, but not squads, and maybe 2 sniper teams per company.

[Yukonastan]

Ok. So I'll have 2 DMs attached to the platoon level, but not squads, and maybe 2 sniper teams per company.

That should be good. I personally have one DM for both squads in my plts, and I'm honestly not sure about snipers yet.

[Lemanrussland]

Soviet platoons would have as many as 6 SVDs during the Afghanistan war. Its mostly 1-2 SVDs now. However the unique combat situation that was presented in Afghanistan warranted such a number.

French infantry platoons have 2 FR-F2 rifles.

US Army platoons don't have a marksman, instead they issue ACOGs and have 2 M240B machine guns in a weapons support squad, while the Soviet platoon doesn't have a GPMG instead having RPKs, and the French only have 3 FN Minimis.

I thought the Army made 2 Mk 14s available for each platoon on deployment in Afghanistan?

There were also several other DMRs in limited use with the Army.

[Gallia-]

every man is a "dm"

[San-Silvacian]

Soviet platoons would have as many as 6 SVDs during the Afghanistan war. Its mostly 1-2 SVDs now. However the unique combat situation that was presented in Afghanistan warranted such a number.

French infantry platoons have 2 FR-F2 rifles.

US Army platoons don't have a marksman, instead they issue ACOGs and have 2 M240B machine guns in a weapons support squad, while the Soviet platoon doesn't have a GPMG instead having RPKs, and the French only have 3 FN Minimis.

I thought the Army made 2 Mk 14s available for each platoon on deployment in Afghanistan?

There were also several other DMRs in limited use with the Army.

You're average platoon may not have them.

I wouldn't doubt that strings get pulled and they get DMRs, however with two M240Bs and 6 M249s, DMRs may not be 100% necessary.

[San-Silvacian]

According to helmet footage from Our War, British platoons in Afghanistan would sometimes have had two L96 rifles and an L86, and have now begun procuring the L129 rifle in presumably the same role.

What is the make up of the average section?

[Kouralia]

According to helmet footage from Our War, British platoons in Afghanistan would sometimes have had two L96 rifles and an L86, and have now begun procuring the L129 rifle in presumably the same role.

What is the make up of the average section?

IC, Rifleman, Grenadier, Gunner.
2IC, Rifleman, Grenadier, Gunner.

afaik. Then things get added to that, such as moar GPMGs, L96, L86 etc.

EDIT:

It's not as bad as the British 'heavy squads" in Afghan.

Heavy squad
Under normal conditions, an 8-man British infantry section is armed with four L85 rifles, one with an under-slung grenade launcher, two L86 light support weapons (LSW), and two FN Minimi light machine guns. For combat in Afghanistan, troops armed themselves more heavily, creating "heavy" squads. Weapons include:

1 × L85A2 rifle or L129A1 marksman rifle
1 × L85A2 rifle with L123A2 UGL (under-slung grenade launcher)
2 × L86A2 LSW's, or 2 × L96A1 sniper rifles, or 2 × L115A3 sniper rifles (or mixture)
2 × L110A1 light machine guns
2 × L7A2 GPMGs

[San-Silvacian]

either they never move anywhere or they carry pretty much no ammo.

[Bratislavskaya]

Is there any point having KLMK as standard issue anymore? Because I issue a camouflaged uniform anyway.

[Kouralia]

either they never move anywhere or they carry pretty much no ammo.

I dunno. But if they actually do that then I presume it works.

[Sediczja]

Is there any point having KLMK as standard issue anymore? Because I issue a camouflaged uniform anyway.

1: It looks fecking nails
2: See 1

I guess you could always "update" it with a new colourway, digitalisation etc.

[Imperializt Russia]

either they never move anywhere or they carry pretty much no ammo.

In this layout and given the mission in Afghanistan, they'd either be stationed in an outpost or on patrol. Though certainly heavier than it could otherwise be, I don't believe this layout is prohibitively heavy.

[San-Silvacian]

Well considering you typically need a crew of 3 for a GPMG and they have two of them in the squad.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well considering you typically need a crew of 3 for a GPMG and they have two of them in the squad.

You need a crew of three for a GPMG if you're emplacing it. These will almost certainly be operated exclusively in the "light role".
Seems kind of pointless to have a GPMG intended to be operated in the "light role" if it still needs a crew of three.

When the Russians finish introducing the PKP as section machine gun, I'm fairly confident that won't have a crew of three either.

[San-Silvacian]

No but they will most likely operate in a crew of at least 2.

GPMGs are extraordinarily heavy and typically they don't carry much ammo on them to save weight.

[Kouralia]

No but they will most likely operate in a crew of at least 2.

GPMGs are extraordinarily heavy and typically they don't carry much ammo on them to save weight.

IIRC everyone in the section carries some ammunition on them for it.

[Padnak]

I suppose its infantry related, does anyone know what the Russian veteran camo in BF3 actually is?

It looks like Berezhka but in game its allot darker, and it looks closer to Kamyshovy risunok

I'm assuming its something that dice cooked up based off a few real Russian camos, but I'm curios if its a real thing. I'd love to issue my armed MSS forces with it

[Purpelia]

I'd love to issue my armed MSS forces with it

So do it. Why does you being able to issue it hinge in any way, shape or form on it being real.