South Pacific Republic wrote:Does any country in NS actually use leaded gas?
There seem to be some storefronts selling leaded fuel in GE&T, so reasonable assumption is yes.
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by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:30 pm
South Pacific Republic wrote:Does any country in NS actually use leaded gas?
by Shaktirajya » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:41 pm
by Wrapper » Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:17 pm
Votes Against: 1,520: HMS Unicorn (446)
by Potted Plants United » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:24 pm
Louisistan wrote:The Paramedics carry Deputy Ambassador Schulz, obviously suffering from a slight carbon monoxide posioning, out of the room. Associate Ambassador Barber, having been hastily alerted rushes in from the bar. "Wha'ss 'oing on 'ere 'en, eh? Whooooo's poisened poor Roland, eh?"
Separatist Peoples wrote:"NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE!"
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by Hakio » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:29 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Racism is almost as good as eating babies.
by Escanthea » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:54 pm
by Normlpeople » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:08 pm
Escanthea wrote:I have decided to seriously enact a policy in Escanthea exterminating all bears (and ponies) until this thing is defeated
by Defwa » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:12 pm
Maybe he means the non sapient ones? But then that would violate hunting regulations.Normlpeople wrote:Escanthea wrote:I have decided to seriously enact a policy in Escanthea exterminating all bears (and ponies) until this thing is defeated
"I may be mistaken, so could the good ambassador clarify for me that they are not advocating an act of genocide in direct violation of GAR #38?
by Jakuso » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:18 pm
by Chester Pearson » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:58 pm
Jakuso wrote:Having made much discussion, I as Ambassador for the Kingdom of Yakus can announce that Yakus shall be voting FOR this resolution.
Jakuso wrote:
But some people may not be able to afford the additives. I know for a fact they are expensive.
Jakuso wrote:Araraukar wrote:People don't put the additives in the fuel, the fuel-making company does. If only thing available is unleaded fuel, the people either buy it to drive their cars or they don't drive. Simple as that.
That would be a harsh blow to our people, one I would not vote to support.
Jakuso wrote:Those people are some of our poorest, people who just can't afford a new car or a slight tax raise.
Jakuso wrote:Some people in rural areas use older vehicles as they don't have access to newer vehicles. I must ask whether this really is a matter for the WA?
Jakuso wrote:Wrapper wrote:So... even if this proposal were to actually increase taxes (which it doesn't), you would rather poison your people than tax them. Is this correct?
OOC: Seriously, did you read any of the links I posted above? Some of them point out that there's been an overall cost benefit of unleaded fuel over the past thirty-ish years.
Not enough leaded fuel being used to have a severe effect on our people. We would rather leave it be.
Jakuso wrote:Defwa wrote:If its not enough to hurt people then your nation must not be using any anyway so the impact should be non substantial if this is passed.
Just because its not a problem in your nation does not mean it isn't a problem in others. We've seen live examples in this discussion of governments willfully ignoring the health effects or putting miniscule profit or saving a little labor over the wellbeing of their population- especially their children.
Make the world better with this resolution.
Forgive me, I Can't see this resolution making much difference environmentally. The atmosphere is already suffering. Yakus is an archipelago in the ocean some distance from any other country. I can't imagine Yakusan emissions making any difference to any other countries, especially at the low levels equivalent to our use of leaded fuel.
Jakuso wrote:Defwa wrote:You heard him, everyone. The environment is dead. Nothing we can do about it. Everybody go home.
I'm suggesting we focus on something more important, like a resolution to reduce carbon emissions, not to ban leaded fuel.
Jakuso wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Fortunately, ambassador, we have time to work on multiple issues at once, both big and small. Although only one resolution can be passed at a time, the few days that takes is more then short enough to allow for action on such problems. Frankly, the Jakusan refusal to use unleaded product is mystifying, as ethanol is a much cheaper, safer, and readily accessible alternative. Saves more lead for bullets, I imagine."
Yakus does produce oil products, including UNLEADED petroleum. We use UNLEADED petroleum mostly, but there are SOME who still use LEADED fuels. And also, it would not really benefit us to ban leaded fuels.
Jakuso wrote:Having seen the records of this debate, Yakus has decided to vote AGAINST this resolution in order to prevent tax raise havoc.
Jakuso wrote:Yakus would be AGAINST this as we have a large number of people still using old cars running leaded fuel.
For: 2,448. Against: 1,889.
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by Ainocra » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:05 pm
by Araraukar » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:32 pm
Chester Pearson wrote:*snip*
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Chester Pearson » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:33 pm
Araraukar wrote:Chester, your vendetta against the silly newbie ambassador is getting, well, silly.
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by Macwick » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:06 pm
by Defwa » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:40 pm
by Panait » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:26 pm
by Jakuso » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:56 pm
Chester Pearson wrote:Jakuso wrote:Having made much discussion, I as Ambassador for the Kingdom of Yakus can announce that Yakus shall be voting FOR this resolution.
Uh Huh.... Are you sure you are a sovereignist?
What happened to:Jakuso wrote:
But some people may not be able to afford the additives. I know for a fact they are expensive.Jakuso wrote:
That would be a harsh blow to our people, one I would not vote to support.Jakuso wrote:Those people are some of our poorest, people who just can't afford a new car or a slight tax raise.Jakuso wrote:Some people in rural areas use older vehicles as they don't have access to newer vehicles. I must ask whether this really is a matter for the WA?Jakuso wrote:
Not enough leaded fuel being used to have a severe effect on our people. We would rather leave it be.Jakuso wrote:
Forgive me, I Can't see this resolution making much difference environmentally. The atmosphere is already suffering. Yakus is an archipelago in the ocean some distance from any other country. I can't imagine Yakusan emissions making any difference to any other countries, especially at the low levels equivalent to our use of leaded fuel.Jakuso wrote:
I'm suggesting we focus on something more important, like a resolution to reduce carbon emissions, not to ban leaded fuel.Jakuso wrote:
Yakus does produce oil products, including UNLEADED petroleum. We use UNLEADED petroleum mostly, but there are SOME who still use LEADED fuels. And also, it would not really benefit us to ban leaded fuels.
And also:Jakuso wrote:Having seen the records of this debate, Yakus has decided to vote AGAINST this resolution in order to prevent tax raise havoc.Jakuso wrote:Yakus would be AGAINST this as we have a large number of people still using old cars running leaded fuel.
I am willing to bet this:For: 2,448. Against: 1,889.
has a lot to do with your decision Ambassador. If this vote flips I know you will be the first one singing down this resolution, so I took the opportunity to quote you so those cannot be changed.
I will say one thing about you Ambassador. For a lemming, you sure are a vocal one.....
by Jakuso » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:59 pm
Araraukar wrote:Chester Pearson wrote:*snip*
Chester, your vendetta against the silly newbie ambassador is getting, well, silly. Nations are allowed to change their official opinions - the poor sod's probably heard from his superiors back home or something.
OOC: At the very least spoiler the list of spoilers, please? Or put the quotes under a single spoiler?
by Araraukar » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:53 am
Jakuso wrote:I'll have you know that it was an independent decision. Why can't you respect that? I might just WITHDRAW my vote. You people really are argumentative for the sake of it, I see why you all hog the WA debates now...
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Bears Armed Mission » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:41 am
South Pacific Republic wrote:Does any country in NS actually use leaded gas?
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:03 am
Jakuso wrote:
Really? Really? Really? REALLY?
Wow... You just can't accept anything can you. Look, now I'm actually supporting one of your leftist proposals and you're STILL having a go at me! Honestly I don't even know why I bother.
And FYI, this isn't exactly a matter of NatSov, no this is different in case you failed to notice.
by Wrapper » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:11 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:13 am
If you're going to quote that many things you might as well contain them all under a single spoiler for the sake of everyone else please.Chester Pearson wrote: ...snip...
has a lot to do with your decision Ambassador. If this vote flips I know you will be the first one singing down this resolution, so I took the opportunity to quote you so those cannot be changed.
I will say one thing about you Ambassador. For a lemming, you sure are a vocal one.....
by Jakuso » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:22 am
Wrapper wrote:We prefer to think that our skilled debate, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that (1) leaded fuel is harmful, (2) the cost of using unleaded fuel over leaded fuel is negligible, and (3) any costs in switching over are offset by reduced costs in health care, automobile maintenance and repair, and fuel economy, has shed some light on this issue.
Or it could be that the Yakusan ambassador is a lemming in disguise.
But we'll go with our first argument.
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