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by United Christian States of America » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:34 am
by Olthar » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:34 am
Constaniana wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:When you're using a video game as evidence you're doing something very wrong. And most of us use leashes. And my cat goes outside almost every day, sometimes two or three times.
If Kefka wants to use the video game line of thinking then he should want to ban tortoises too, because they might suddenly get six feet tall and have cannons poking out of their backs that they blast other animals with.
by Onocarcass » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:34 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Bulgar Rouge wrote:
I've been bitten, and I still love dogs more than certain "personalities" I have made acquaintance with. Because, when a dog bites, it's because it's an animal - you can't blame an animal for doing shit, it just acts according to natural evolutionary instincts.
Would you like to see people banned ? Because they bite too, and not entirely out of instinct.
this is not about assigning blame.
Dogs are not morally culpable; they aren't really free agents in the same way humans are.
The only objective is to maximize social safety at a reasonable cost. Its not about trying dogs for their crimes...
by Norstal » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:35 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Bulgar Rouge wrote:
I've been bitten, and I still love dogs more than certain "personalities" I have made acquaintance with. Because, when a dog bites, it's because it's an animal - you can't blame an animal for doing shit, it just acts according to natural evolutionary instincts.
Would you like to see people banned ? Because they bite too, and not entirely out of instinct.
this is not about assigning blame.
Dogs are not morally culpable; they aren't really free agents in the same way humans are.
The only objective is to maximize social safety at a reasonable cost. Its not about trying dogs for their crimes...
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by Sulania » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:35 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Sulania wrote:You can span it out all you want and sugar-coat it, you're still calling for the genocide, extermination, however you want to put it, of an entire species. Just because they have the potential to be dangerous.
they are still allowed to survive in the wild...
also, we could carve out some exceptions for specialized purposes (ex for military applications) but they will just no longer populate the domestic front (to minimize the public hazard issues).
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:35 am
ONOCARCASS wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
this is not about assigning blame.
Dogs are not morally culpable; they aren't really free agents in the same way humans are.
The only objective is to maximize social safety at a reasonable cost. Its not about trying dogs for their crimes...
When the majority of the populace would disagree with a ban on dogs, it's not a reasonable cost.
by Dracoria » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:35 am
Olthar wrote:Constaniana wrote:If Kefka wants to use the video game line of thinking then he should want to ban tortoises too, because they might suddenly get six feet tall and have cannons poking out of their backs that they blast other animals with.
Ban plumbers. They're all psychotic, genocidal maniacs.
by Constaniana » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:35 am
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Constaniana wrote:If Kefka wants to use the video game line of thinking then he should want to ban tortoises too, because they might suddenly get six feet tall and have cannons poking out of their backs that they blast other animals with.
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by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:36 am
Sulania wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
they are still allowed to survive in the wild...
also, we could carve out some exceptions for specialized purposes (ex for military applications) but they will just no longer populate the domestic front (to minimize the public hazard issues).
Then you're not even eliminating the problem that you claim Is there. You're contradicting it, dogs are still dangerous then. Wild dogs are more dangerous than domestic ones too.
Everything you are proposing is lunacy, I'm sorry, it is. Your solution is not a solution, to a problem that is not so much a problem. Your whole reasoning is flawed, and your solution doesn't solve what you're trying to solve. It's only slightly limiting it, slightly.
by Viritica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:36 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:
why do you think the military has used many specialized attack dog units both in the present and in the past?
Dogs are a carnivorous species. Their teeth have not evolved to eat grass, they are sharp and strong, good for tearing through flesh.
by Roski » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:36 am
by United States of Cascadia » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:37 am
72o wrote:Some breeds should be banned imo, like bulldogs and poodles.
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by Sun Wukong » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:37 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:
why do you think the military has used many specialized attack dog units both in the present and in the past?
Dogs are a carnivorous species. Their teeth have not evolved to eat grass, they are sharp and strong, good for tearing through flesh.
by Constaniana » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:37 am
Olthar wrote:Constaniana wrote:If Kefka wants to use the video game line of thinking then he should want to ban tortoises too, because they might suddenly get six feet tall and have cannons poking out of their backs that they blast other animals with.
Ban plumbers. They're all psychotic, genocidal maniacs.
Ameriganastan wrote:I work hard to think of those ludicrous Eric adventure stories, but I don't think I'd have come up with rescuing a three armed alchemist from goblin-monkeys in a million years.
Kudos.
by Purelandy » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:37 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Opinion Guy wrote:In that case, just ban all pets. Because birds have bird flu, cats bite and scratch, and basically every pet can bite, scratch or something. Then the only viable pet is a pet fish
dogs are categorically different and distinct from other pets because
1) they can actually cause severe physical damage to human beings (their teeth are really really sharp and strong)... for example, a cat can scratch you but it can't take off your fingers or really penetrate your neck. If you have played Call of Duty, you know that there are some very very powerful attack dogs that can even kill people.
2) Dog owners won't keep dogs inside. Dog owners will always take their dogs out for walks. Hence, this exposes the public to its dangers. Whereas cats and birds are often kept indoors for their entire existence.
by Bulgar Rouge » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:37 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Obviously wild dogs would not be allowed in human population centers.
by Sulania » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:37 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Sulania wrote:Then you're not even eliminating the problem that you claim Is there. You're contradicting it, dogs are still dangerous then. Wild dogs are more dangerous than domestic ones too.
Everything you are proposing is lunacy, I'm sorry, it is. Your solution is not a solution, to a problem that is not so much a problem. Your whole reasoning is flawed, and your solution doesn't solve what you're trying to solve. It's only slightly limiting it, slightly.
Obviously wild dogs would not be allowed in human population centers.
by Americanada » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:38 am
Norstal wrote:Americanada wrote:
I remember Kieth Olbermman once answering that question. You shoot them and leave out poisoned meat. As he explained, the process prioritizes the killing of the most friendly dogs since those most trusting of humans will be most likely to see them leaving food around and approach those with such a deficiency of altruism to betray dogs.
Eh, that sounds like it would take too long. Not to mention that dog breeds can mellow out over time or replace the dead dogs.
by Onocarcass » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:38 am
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:38 am
by Partially Blind People » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:38 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Wisconsin9 wrote:When you're using a video game as evidence you're doing something very wrong. And most of us use leashes. And my cat goes outside almost every day, sometimes two or three times.
Leashes are an imperfect mechanism of control.
In fact, two of the times I was attacked by dogs the animal had a leash and a collar. But the owner was distracted or just didn't care much for my safety.
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by Dracoria » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:38 am
by Constaniana » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:38 am
Ameriganastan wrote:I work hard to think of those ludicrous Eric adventure stories, but I don't think I'd have come up with rescuing a three armed alchemist from goblin-monkeys in a million years.
Kudos.
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