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Postby Magna Libero » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:25 am

Norstal wrote:
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You can do the same thing you do with assault rifles when you outlaw them. You would allow some kind of grandfather clause.

So the law would say that existing dogs won't be allowed to reproduce but that the existing dogs will be allowed to stay with their current owners. However, to disincentivize dog ownership there would be a tax against dog owners. All imports of dogs would be banned immediately, exporting dogs to other countries would be encouraged with tax deductions.

Then you would take the lifespan of the longest dog (I don't know, I'm not an expert, let's say it was 30 years) and then in the law you would say:

''in 30 years since under this law no dog is allowed to reproduce all dogs should have died in this country, therefore in 30 years from the date of this bill all dogs found in the nation will put to rest by the relevant authorities.''

Logistically this would be how I would do it if I were in charge. This way, all dogs can be eliminated from society in 30 years (either they die naturally, are exported, or get hunted down when the time is up). The neat thing about this law is that we know for a fact that after those years are up (maybe its not 30), all existing dogs are illegal.

What about wolves?

Yeah, I might understand if the OP was talking about shooting all the wolves, but banning all the dogs? That's insanity.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:25 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.


I have, nowadays I'm of the firm opinion that if a dog wants to run at me barking acting like it's going to attack me it's gonna get a boot to the head.
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Postby Ashyaria » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:25 am

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Postby Marcurix » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.


Nope, I've been bitten by several dogs. Both accidental and otherwise.
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Postby Kumuri » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.

I've been bitten by a dog before. I believe we should be more careful around dogs, and that owners should be certain that their fencing is fully intact, but not banning them.
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

Guys. I just had the greatest idea for a compromise. How about, instead of banning them outright, we take all the dogs, just round em up. Then, we buy an enormous plot of land in Minnesota, large enough that all of the dogs have fresh air and room to run around in. Then we send the dogs there and fund it through taxes. Yes, instead of the dogs dying, we send them to a farm up North. It's the perfect plan.
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Postby Viritica » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

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Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.

Yes, actually, I have been bitten by a dog.

When I was practically an infant my grandma's crazy ass dog bit my face.

Still doesn't make me love dogs any less.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

The Opinion Guy wrote:In that case, just ban all pets. Because birds have bird flu, cats bite and scratch, and basically every pet can bite, scratch or something. Then the only viable pet is a pet fish


dogs are categorically different and distinct from other pets because

1) they can actually cause severe physical damage to human beings (their teeth are really really sharp and strong)... for example, a cat can scratch you but it can't take off your fingers or really penetrate your neck. If you have played Call of Duty, you know that there are some very very powerful attack dogs that can even kill people.

2) Dog owners won't keep dogs inside. Dog owners will always take their dogs out for walks. Hence, this exposes the public to its dangers. Whereas cats and birds are often kept indoors for their entire existence.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.


I was bitten by a dog when I was a little girl. I still don't see a necessity to ban them. I've been scratched by cats before, I don't see why they should be banned. I've been bitten by pet hamsters, and rabbits. Pecked by a parakeet too. I see no reason to ban any of these pets.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

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Cat scratches do a lot less damage. I knew someone in high school who had a big chunk of her lower jaw bitten off by a dog, ended up in the ER, and will probably have big scars on her face for the rest of her life. Cats don't do that.


I'm talking about little dog bites, seriously, in my town a dog only bit someone a little bit and the dog had to be put down.


Because an improperly trained dog is a risk to the public. What if the 2nd time it happens someone ends up like that girl in my high school? The dog has demonstrated that it's not properly trained and is a danger to people.
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

I hope this is satire... but in case its not:

Seriously? dogs? they are pets, and mans best friend. they have been tamed for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years. Nobody was complaining then. besides, only wild dogs or dogs trained to be vicious are vicious. and owners are legally supposed to pick up the droppings, at least here in America. seriously, your argument is insane.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.

No I haven't because every single dog I've met has been nice and sociable.
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Postby Onocarcass » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.

I had my arm torn all up by a Rottweiler a few years ago. I still disagree with you.
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Postby Sulania » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:27 am

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What in the actual fuck? Because you're scared of dogs you want to kill and or wait for every dog in the nation to die off?


This is the most sensible way to do it.

I think having the police just go and grab every single dog in the country and executing all of them immediately would create too much chaos. Also, its a tad too extreme on the authoritarian scale.

But if you phase it out over a few decades, and give the chance as well as many many incentives for people to get rid of their dogs however they choose (ex, some people might send their dogs to relatives in other countries where its allowed etc) the result would be better.

I really don't want to have a law that immediately sentences all existing dogs to immediate deaths. Its not their fault. We're just trying to create a better society but I want to avoid having to hurt them if possible. Just let them die out.

You can span it out all you want and sugar-coat it, you're still calling for the genocide, extermination, however you want to put it, of an entire species. Just because they have the potential to be dangerous.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:27 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.


I was bitten by a dog when I was a little girl. I still don't see a necessity to ban them. I've been scratched by cats before, I don't see why they should be banned. I've been bitten by pet hamsters, and rabbits. Pecked by a parakeet too. I see no reason to ban any of these pets.


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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:27 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Opinion Guy wrote:In that case, just ban all pets. Because birds have bird flu, cats bite and scratch, and basically every pet can bite, scratch or something. Then the only viable pet is a pet fish


dogs are categorically different and distinct from other pets because

1) they can actually cause severe physical damage to human beings (their teeth are really really sharp and strong)... for example, a cat can scratch you but it can't take off your fingers or really penetrate your neck. If you have played Call of Duty, you know that there are some very very powerful attack dogs that can even kill people.

2) Dog owners won't keep dogs inside. Dog owners will always take their dogs out for walks. Hence, this exposes the public to its dangers. Whereas cats and birds are often kept indoors for their entire existence.

When you're using a video game as evidence you're doing something very wrong. And most of us use leashes. And my cat goes outside almost every day, sometimes two or three times.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:28 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.

You know... next time you suppose something... just let it go.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:28 am

Sulania wrote:
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This is the most sensible way to do it.

I think having the police just go and grab every single dog in the country and executing all of them immediately would create too much chaos. Also, its a tad too extreme on the authoritarian scale.

But if you phase it out over a few decades, and give the chance as well as many many incentives for people to get rid of their dogs however they choose (ex, some people might send their dogs to relatives in other countries where its allowed etc) the result would be better.

I really don't want to have a law that immediately sentences all existing dogs to immediate deaths. Its not their fault. We're just trying to create a better society but I want to avoid having to hurt them if possible. Just let them die out.

You can span it out all you want and sugar-coat it, you're still calling for the genocide, extermination, however you want to put it, of an entire species. Just because they have the potential to be dangerous.


they are still allowed to survive in the wild...

also, we could carve out some exceptions for specialized purposes (ex for military applications) but they will just no longer populate the domestic front (to minimize the public hazard issues).

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:29 am

Kumuri wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:Whilst cats are most obviously superior, I wouldn't support banning dogs.


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They are one of the only breeds that I think are cute. I mean I still wouldn't want one, but I can at least understand why people who are good with dogs would keep them as pets.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:29 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.

You know... next time you suppose something... just let it go.

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Postby Bulgar Rouge » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:29 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:by the way...

I suppose most of the people who oppose this have never been bitten by a dog? It might affect your opinion on this issue I suppose.


I've been bitten, and I still love dogs more than certain "personalities" I have made acquaintance with. Because, when a dog bites, it's because it's an animal - you can't blame an animal for doing shit, it just acts according to natural evolutionary instincts.

Would you like to see people banned ? Because they bite too, and not entirely out of instinct.
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Postby KASSRD » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:29 am

Sulania wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This is the most sensible way to do it.

I think having the police just go and grab every single dog in the country and executing all of them immediately would create too much chaos. Also, its a tad too extreme on the authoritarian scale.

But if you phase it out over a few decades, and give the chance as well as many many incentives for people to get rid of their dogs however they choose (ex, some people might send their dogs to relatives in other countries where its allowed etc) the result would be better.

I really don't want to have a law that immediately sentences all existing dogs to immediate deaths. Its not their fault. We're just trying to create a better society but I want to avoid having to hurt them if possible. Just let them die out.

You can span it out all you want and sugar-coat it, you're still calling for the genocide, extermination, however you want to put it, of an entire species. Just because they have the potential to be dangerous.

You know really if anything we humans should be the ones wiped out if anything. Sure dogs bite but we've wiped out hundreds of species and destroyed entire environments. By infected mushrooms logic at least,

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Postby Norstal » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:29 am

United States of Natan wrote:I hope this is satire... but in case its not:

Seriously? dogs? they are pets, and mans best friend. they have been tamed for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years. Nobody was complaining then. besides, only wild dogs or dogs trained to be vicious are vicious. and owners are legally supposed to pick up the droppings, at least here in America. seriously, your argument is insane.

It's not satire. I'm inclined to believe that OP is a hyper-intelligent dog who wants to free all of his brethren. Think about it. He doesn't want dogs to be pets.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:29 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Sulania wrote:You can span it out all you want and sugar-coat it, you're still calling for the genocide, extermination, however you want to put it, of an entire species. Just because they have the potential to be dangerous.


they are still allowed to survive in the wild...

also, we could carve out some exceptions for specialized purposes (ex for military applications) but they will just no longer populate the domestic front (to minimize the public hazard issues).


They present no public hazard. Some dogs do. Not all dogs do.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:30 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
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dogs are categorically different and distinct from other pets because

1) they can actually cause severe physical damage to human beings (their teeth are really really sharp and strong)... for example, a cat can scratch you but it can't take off your fingers or really penetrate your neck. If you have played Call of Duty, you know that there are some very very powerful attack dogs that can even kill people.

2) Dog owners won't keep dogs inside. Dog owners will always take their dogs out for walks. Hence, this exposes the public to its dangers. Whereas cats and birds are often kept indoors for their entire existence.

When you're using a video game as evidence you're doing something very wrong. And most of us use leashes. And my cat goes outside almost every day, sometimes two or three times.


Leashes are an imperfect mechanism of control.

In fact, two of the times I was attacked by dogs the animal had a leash and a collar. But the owner was distracted or just didn't care much for my safety.

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