SWAT flashbang versus an infants face

[Top-Kek]

Honestly, I don't think it was the officers fault. How would he know if that was a babies playpen blocking the door or not?

[Sub Sector Protractis]

Well I hate to break it to you the taxpayer but there are not x Ray goggles and if there were you would complain about invasion of privacy. Also if you would like me to tg you my linkedin information you can verify my credentials at your pleasure or you can publicly quiz me here and anything that is not sensitive information I will more then happy to discuss with you.

I'm willing to believe that you do know this based purely on tae kwon do sparring and knowing how much can happen in just a couple of seconds, and mentally applying that to the situation of people with guns.

Throw in the unpredictable nature of potential method users as well for good measure

[Soselo]

Honestly, I don't think it was the officers fault. How would he know if that was a babies playpen blocking the door or not?

Infant harm or not, should a weapon have been thrown?

[Baxten]

I feel that humans do that. They just look at the headlines, not reading the details, and then go protest over something they barely know anything about.

[Ifreann]

So then their mistake was failing to prepare some means of looking behind the door, should it be barricaded, before trying to batter it down.

And we're to believe that you do know this, based on your word alone? No thanks.

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Making meth? I was under the impression they were just selling meth.

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Punishments do tend to come after investigations, yes.

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Look before throwing in a grenade, to get some idea of where it will land.

Well I hate to break it to you the taxpayer

I don't pay taxes in Georgia.

but there are not x Ray goggles and if there were you would complain about invasion of privacy.

Also if you would like me to tg you my linkedin information you can verify my credentials at your pleasure or you can publicly quiz me here and anything that is not sensitive information I will more then happy to discuss with you.

No, I'll just discount your claims of special insight that the rest of us lack.

[Bralia]

I am not surprised, considering how it is the USA and how they don't give a shit about human rights. That said, if they use a playpen as a barricade, at least remove the baby from it first.

You clearly haven't heard of World War II, or the Supreme Court case that made it unconstitutional to ban gay marriage.

Let's not derail the thread, please?

[Baxten]

Honestly, I don't think it was the officers fault. How would he know if that was a babies playpen blocking the door or not?

Regardless of whether or not an infant was there, should a weapon have been thrown?

Well, he supposedly had a weapon. I think it was just so the SWAT, you know, didn't get shot.

[The 54th Squadron]

I am not surprised, considering how it is the USA and how they don't give a shit about human rights. That said, if they use a playpen as a barricade, at least remove the baby from it first.

You clearly haven't heard of World War II, or the Supreme Court case that made it unconstitutional to ban gay marriage.

Or maybe human rights is just a crazy idea that we *don't* have to adhere to.

Honestly, I don't think it was the officers fault. How would he know if that was a babies playpen blocking the door or not?

Infant harm or not, should a weapon have been thrown?

Yes, especially if they believed the target had a potential weapon.

[Baxten]

Well I hate to break it to you the taxpayer

I don't pay taxes in Georgia.

but there are not x Ray goggles and if there were you would complain about invasion of privacy.

Also if you would like me to tg you my linkedin information you can verify my credentials at your pleasure or you can publicly quiz me here and anything that is not sensitive information I will more then happy to discuss with you.

No, I'll just discount your claims of special insight that the rest of us lack.

I think the SWATs national. But I could be completely wrong.

[Lunalia]

Honestly, I don't think it was the officers fault. How would he know if that was a babies playpen blocking the door or not?

Infant harm or not, should a weapon have been thrown?

When they were told that there were armed guards, who would have been alerted by the sound of them attempting to break the door down? It was a flash bang grenade. Intended to stun any potential armed opponents with a loud bang and a flash of light. If they had known there were children in the house, they would have approached things differently, but with the situation as they thought it was, it would not have been dangerous.

[Gauthier]

Infant harm or not, should a weapon have been thrown?

When they were told that there were armed guards, who would have been alerted by the sound of them attempting to break the door down? It was a flash bang grenade. Intended to stun any potential armed opponents with a loud bang and a flash of light. If they had known there were children in the house, they would have approached things differently, but with the situation as they thought it was, it would not have been dangerous.

When Hamas does something like this, the forum bitches at Hamas instead of blaming the Israelis for not making sure the children were safe.

[Upper America]

Well I hate to break it to you the taxpayer but there are not x Ray goggles and if there were you would complain about invasion of privacy. Also if you would like me to tg you my linkedin information you can verify my credentials at your pleasure or you can publicly quiz me here and anything that is not sensitive information I will more then happy to discuss with you.

And you know what? That doesn't make them any less stupid.

So... Using force to enter a house with dangerous inhabitants and not having the knowledge that the baby was being used as a barricade is making them stupid? How about you go join the SWAT, and participate in a dangerous drug raid? Then come back to me and tell me if you wanted to look in the windows.

This makes me wonder if people just distrust authority due to all these stories about police brutality.

I don't trust them because their livelihood depends on there being human pain to the degree that they've accepted criminality as natural. The doctor is at least open to the the chance of there being a cure.

If police didn't have ways to harm a criminal to make him stop if all else fails, then we'd be a broken civilization. No one said that the SWAT team is certain the baby will die.

That could have been the case. Maybe if we get more information, we can tell where they were making meth.

Per the OP's article, the only charges for the distribution of meth.

Well, maybe they had a supplier. But did the police really get to look around the house? An informant purchased the meth, so they knew they were selling it. But you'd think that after harming a baby, they'd be too shocked to enter the house and search it.

[Lunalia]

When they were told that there were armed guards, who would have been alerted by the sound of them attempting to break the door down? It was a flash bang grenade. Intended to stun any potential armed opponents with a loud bang and a flash of light. If they had known there were children in the house, they would have approached things differently, but with the situation as they thought it was, it would not have been dangerous.

When Hamas does something like this, the forum bitches at Hamas instead of blaming the Israelis for not making sure the children were safe.

Yes, for some reason Hamas is acknowledged as using children as living shields and meth dealers are not.

[Upper America]

You clearly haven't heard of World War II, or the Supreme Court case that made it unconstitutional to ban gay marriage.

Let's not derail the thread, please?

I'm not derailing the thread. I'm just pointing out the errors in his comments.

[Soselo]

Regardless of whether or not an infant was there, should a weapon have been thrown?

Well, he supposedly had a weapon. I think it was just so the SWAT, you know, didn't get shot.

Who would Thonetheva intend to shoot as a black marketer?

[Keyboard Warriors]

You'd think, given the time to obtain the warrant for the raid and all, they would have done some research and discovered the baby in the house, perhaps they might have also changed their plan of attack. While they shouldn't be called baby murderers, this is nothing but negligence.

[Lunalia]

Well, he supposedly had a weapon. I think it was just so the SWAT, you know, didn't get shot.

Who would he intend to shoot as a black marketer?

People trying to steal his drugs. Rivals who want people to buy their drugs instead of his drugs. SWAT team coming to arrest him for dealing drugs. His supplier who thinks that he should be paying them more money for his drugs.

Lots of people.

[Tannarabia]

Well I hate to break it to you the taxpayer

I don't pay taxes in Georgia.

but there are not x Ray goggles and if there were you would complain about invasion of privacy.

Also if you would like me to tg you my linkedin information you can verify my credentials at your pleasure or you can publicly quiz me here and anything that is not sensitive information I will more then happy to discuss with you.

No, I'll just discount your claims of special insight that the rest of us lack.

Unfortunately, not all swat teams have access to equipment as specialised as this, and it most likely wouldn't be used in this situation. There's an obvious reason that they wouldn't look in for safety, and there is an obvious reason they didn't need to look in at all. If putting a crib with a baby in it in front of a door was a common occurrence, you would here more of this.

[Baxten]

Well, he supposedly had a weapon. I think it was just so the SWAT, you know, didn't get shot.

Who would Thonetheva intend to shoot as a black marketer?

Police, SWAT, National Guard. Basically, authority.

[Upper America]

You'd think, given the time to obtain the warrant for the raid and all, they would have done some research and discovered the baby in the house, perhaps they might have also changed their plan of attack. While they shouldn't be called baby murderers, this is nothing but negligence.

But they would have never predicted the baby being behind the door.

[Ifreann]

I don't pay taxes in Georgia.

No, I'll just discount your claims of special insight that the rest of us lack.

I think the SWATs national. But I could be completely wrong.

You are.

[Keyboard Warriors]

I don't pay taxes in Georgia.

No, I'll just discount your claims of special insight that the rest of us lack.

Unfortunately, not all swat teams have access to equipment as specialised as this, and it most likely wouldn't be used in this situation. There's an obvious reason that they wouldn't look in for safety, and there is an obvious reason they didn't need to look in at all. If putting a crib with a baby in it in front of a door was a common occurrence, you would here more of this.

There are lots of things that SWAT teams can do to ensure their own safety, that doesn't mean they should do them. And sorry, but if you're charging into a residential address where you know there are other people in the house including babies, you should not be throwing or firing blindly and indiscriminately into the house. No drug raid is that important.

[Baxten]

Who would he intend to shoot as a black marketer?

People trying to steal his drugs. Rivals who want people to buy their drugs instead of his drugs. SWAT team coming to arrest him for dealing drugs. His supplier who thinks that he should be paying them more money for his drugs.

Lots of people.

Exactly. Dangerous business.

Don't do drugs, kids

[Keyboard Warriors]

You'd think, given the time to obtain the warrant for the raid and all, they would have done some research and discovered the baby in the house, perhaps they might have also changed their plan of attack. While they shouldn't be called baby murderers, this is nothing but negligence.

But they would have never predicted the baby being behind the door.

So they should have looked. Or tried another door.

Or... knocked?

[Lunalia]

Unfortunately, not all swat teams have access to equipment as specialised as this, and it most likely wouldn't be used in this situation. There's an obvious reason that they wouldn't look in for safety, and there is an obvious reason they didn't need to look in at all. If putting a crib with a baby in it in front of a door was a common occurrence, you would here more of this.

There are lots of things that SWAT teams can do to ensure their own safety, that doesn't mean they should do them. And sorry, but if you're charging into a residential address where you know there are other people in the house including babies, you should not be throwing or firing blindly and indiscriminately into the house. No drug raid is that important.

But, they didn't know there were children in the house. The children's parents kept them out of sight. There wasn't any paper trail saying that the family with children was living with the drug dealer after their house burned down.