Discussion about R/D Game and RP Opting Out

[Esternial]

No, as somebody else already said, it's more like this: a helicopter is crappy and dangerous to fly, and it can't be fixed. Nobody wants to fly it. Should you continue to keep and maintain and operate the helicopter? Yeah, no. Anybody with a brain would scrap it.

But people do want to play it; it is a huge community!

Then why do you need those that don't want to play it, if you have a huge community of people that do?

Exactly.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

No, as somebody else already said, it's more like this: a helicopter is crappy and dangerous to fly, and it can't be fixed. Nobody wants to fly it. Should you continue to keep and maintain and operate the helicopter? Yeah, no. Anybody with a brain would scrap it.

But people do want to play it; it is a huge community!

You're all going on about how you're disgusted with the mods, but quite honestly, I'm disgusted that the RP mentors, who are supposed to be supporting the site's community, wish to see the largest community in NS destroyed and "scrapped".

If you're just here to make wild, hysterical, totally unsupported accusations and generalizations, I'd like to ask you - in my non-ownership, random-person-on-the-street capacity - to please leave. You're not helping your case any.

Well then maybe it's about time we has GP mentors.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand threadjack.

[Premislyd]

It is their job to support and aid RPing.

Weren't you once banned for doing the exact opposite.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I know you and other defenders do a good job at actually defending our regions, so the blame is not shifted towards you Unibot, but the game style itself is what worries some of us, that we are being forced against our will to do things we didn't come to NationStates for.

The R/D game is actually part of Nationstates. It is built into the game.

If you have ever read the FAQ, it will talk about this.

Just because it is built into the game doesn't mean I have to play it. I did not give my consent to play that aspect of the game, I should not have to have it forced into me.

That is what I am talking about, that we are being forced into doing it anyways even though we care little about it.

[Esternial]

I know you and other defenders do a good job at actually defending our regions, so the blame is not shifted towards you Unibot, but the game style itself is what worries some of us, that we are being forced against our will to do things we didn't come to NationStates for.

The R/D game is actually part of Nationstates. It is built into the game.

If you have ever read the FAQ, it will talk about this.

Internet Explorer is installed on Windows by default.

Never used it, except to download Chrome.

[The Serbian Empire]

No, as somebody else already said, it's more like this: a helicopter is crappy and dangerous to fly, and it can't be fixed. Nobody wants to fly it. Should you continue to keep and maintain and operate the helicopter? Yeah, no. Anybody with a brain would scrap it.

But people do want to play it; it is a huge community!

You're all going on about how you're disgusted with the mods, but quite honestly, I'm disgusted that the RP mentors, who are supposed to be supporting the site's community, wish to see the largest community in NS destroyed and "scrapped".

It's a section of the community at best no larger than International Incidents in the most active members of the gameplay mechanics. All one needs is an opt-out option for the founder of a region and I guarantee 90% of founders won't figure it even exists as seen by how few regions have set up delegate controls to prevent raiders from vandalizing the region.

[Nephmir]

But people do want to play it; it is a huge community!

You're all going on about how you're disgusted with the mods, but quite honestly, I'm disgusted that the RP mentors, who are supposed to be supporting the site's community, wish to see the largest community in NS destroyed and "scrapped".

If you're just here to make wild, hysterical, totally unsupported accusations and generalizations, I'd like to ask you - in my non-ownership, random-person-on-the-street capacity - to please leave. You're not helping your case any.

Well then maybe it's about time we has GP mentors.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand threadjack.

This entire thread is a thread jack. I will defend the game I play as much as you defend yours. You think you're contributing something here, and you're not. This isn't helping anyone's case.

It's not generalizations- this thread is moving too fast to respond to each poster directly.

However, I will stop posting (for now) and leave you to your illusions that you're actually getting something accomplished by arguing your faulty cases here.

I wish you luck.

[Oaledonia]

What makes this even more comical is that the mods think that everything will work itself out by maintaining the status quo.

[Premislyd]

It's a section of the community at best no larger than International Incidents in the most active members of the gameplay mechanics.

Tsk tsk. All the time you've spent in general, I would've thought that you would've provided a source to back this claim up.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

This entire thread is a thread jack.

Thanks for proving you don't know what you're talking about.

I will defend the game I play as much as you defend yours.

I'm glad to see that you're still bent on victimizing people who have no interest in your game whatsoever.

You think you're contributing something here, and you're not.

Well, you would say that, given that we're arguing a case you don't like, so that's kinda meaningless...

This isn't helping anyone's case.

Are you just copying me, now?

It's not generalizations- this thread is moving too fast to respond to each poster directly.

Sorry it's too much for you.

However, I will stop posting (for now) and leave you to your illusions that you're actually getting something accomplished by arguing your faulty cases here.

Man, if only you were capable of or willing to actually demonstrate how we're wrong on literally any level.

I wish you luck.

I can't imagine why.

[Esternial]

If you're just here to make wild, hysterical, totally unsupported accusations and generalizations, I'd like to ask you - in my non-ownership, random-person-on-the-street capacity - to please leave. You're not helping your case any.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand threadjack.

This entire thread is a thread jack. I will defend the game I play as much as you defend yours. You think you're contributing something here, and you're not. This isn't helping anyone's case.

It's not generalizations- this thread is moving too fast to respond to each poster directly.

However, I will stop posting (for now) and leave you to your illusions that you're actually getting something accomplished by arguing your faulty cases here.

I wish you luck.

I would like you to be honest and explain why you need people that don't want to play your game.

Is it fun? Do you enjoy raiding regions and upsetting their natives? After all, those that WANT to play the game will be hardly as disgruntled and upset.

[The Serbian Empire]

It's a section of the community at best no larger than International Incidents in the most active members of the gameplay mechanics.

Tsk tsk. All the time you've spent in general, I would've thought that you would've provided a source to back this claim up.

Since when did raiders learn the nature of General debating? I have heard jokes about them attempting to RP and it being so botched that it was some of the worst RPing seen in ages. I have seen only a handful of Black Riders conduct 95% of raids.

[Stevid]

What makes this even more comical is that the mods think that everything will work itself out by maintaining the status quo.

It's what happened last time...

[Grand Russian Federation]

I know you and other defenders do a good job at actually defending our regions, so the blame is not shifted towards you Unibot, but the game style itself is what worries some of us, that we are being forced against our will to do things we didn't come to NationStates for.

The R/D game is actually part of Nationstates. It is built into the game.

If you have ever read the FAQ, it will talk about this.

Given that I didn't come to NS for the R/D grief, as did most others in this thread, we ARE being forced to do something we don't want to do. Your post changes nothing other than stating what we already know. Yes, it is a part of gameplay, and yes, we know that.

[Nephmir]

Do you enjoy raiding regions and upsetting their natives

I raid Raiders, not natives.

And if you want me to stop posting, stop attacking me and I'll leave.

[Oaledonia]

What makes this even more comical is that the mods think that everything will work itself out by maintaining the status quo.

It's what happened last time...

A little conformation that they, for a change, are actually going to fix something would be nice.

[Premislyd]

Tsk tsk. All the time you've spent in general, I would've thought that you would've provided a source to back this claim up.

Since when did raiders learn the nature of General debating? I have heard jokes about them attempting to RP and it being so botched that it was some of the worst RPing seen in ages. I have seen only a handful of Black Riders conduct 95% of raids.

The problem with this sentence is you're assuming I'm a raider.

Still waiting on that source that backs your claim, b t w

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Do you enjoy raiding regions and upsetting their natives

I raid Raiders, not natives.

So then absolutely nothing we're doing would threaten what you do in any way whatsoever.

And if you want me to stop posting, stop attacking me and I'll leave.

Translation: "Quit disagreeing with me and I'll quit posting".
Not a good move.

[Virana]

It's what happened last time...

A little conformation that they, for a change, are actually going to fix something would be nice.

It's not within the moderators' jurisdiction to "fix" anything. Gameplay fixes are programmed at the top of the flag pole. And even then, they take months to program, test, troubleshoot, and implement. The moderators are just doing their job: enforcing site rules, reiterating what administration has publicly announced as their stance, and letting you know that those are the facts. You're blaming the wrong people.

[Esternial]

Do you enjoy raiding regions and upsetting their natives

I raid Raiders, not natives.

And if you want me to stop posting, stop attacking me and I'll leave.

Oh, please. Don't develop a persecution complex too quickly, now.

The reason I ask you questions is because I want to understand your position and point-of-view.

Okey. Thank you for that answer. Building up from that: if you raid raiders, then what would be the point of involving "non-combatants"? They're not raiders.

[Tippercommon]

[Oaledonia]

A little conformation that they, for a change, are actually going to fix something would be nice.

It's not within the moderators' jurisdiction to "fix" anything. Gameplay fixes are programmed at the top of the flag pole. And even then, they take months to program, test, troubleshoot, and implement. The moderators are just doing their job: enforcing site rules, reiterating what administration has publicly announced as their stance, and letting you know that those are the facts. You're blaming the wrong people.

I haven't seen any "Hey guys, we know this is a problem, working on it".

[The Republic of Lanos]

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You know, things like that aren't helping your cause.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

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Thanks for once again establishing that raiders are totally unwilling to honestly deal with us. Couldn't have asked for better support from you guys.

[Tippercommon]

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You know, things like that aren't helping your cause.

Implying I have a cause.