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by Elke and Elba » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:37 pm
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
by Frisbeeteria » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:39 pm
Elke and Elba wrote:can we insist the moderators open a entirely new R/D/RP summit to solve this issue again?
by New Babylonia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:46 pm
Vangaziland wrote:Based on what I've seen, the mods just don't care. They just want us to shut up and take it. In my nation, it's almost Independence Day. We should be free from having to be subjected to that foolish r/d game.
On another note, I'm an American combat veteran. I am so sick of hearing raiders and defenders talk like they are accomplished military commanders. You are not. RPers understand OOC vs IC. Just because some of you raiders can't write your way out of a paper bag doesn't mean you need to ruin nationstates.
by Elke and Elba » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:52 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Elke and Elba wrote:can we insist the moderators open a entirely new R/D/RP summit to solve this issue again?
You can insist all you want, but that won't make it happen. The original R/D summit was requested by [violet], and that's the only way a new one (or a continuation) will be started.
Ratateague wrote:NationStates seems to hate the Geneva Convention. I've lost count in how many times someone has tried to introduce something like it. Why they don't like it is a mystery to me. Probably a lot of jingoist wingnuts.
Ardchoille wrote:When you consider that (violet) once changed the colour of the whole game for one player ... you can understand how seriously NS takes its players.
by Unibot III » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:54 pm
Questers wrote:Lol, owned.Vangaziland wrote:Based on what I've seen, the mods just don't care. They just want us to shut up and take it. In my nation, it's almost Independence Day. We should be free from having to be subjected to that foolish r/d game.
On another note, I'm an American combat veteran. I am so sick of hearing raiders and defenders talk like they are accomplished military commanders. You are not. RPers understand OOC vs IC. Just because some of you raiders can't write your way out of a paper bag doesn't mean you need to ruin nationstates.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Pollona » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:57 pm
Unibot III wrote:Not particularly. I have no idea why he would assume because someone serves as a defender that they cannot "write their way out of a paper bag". I'm a published author - I can manage a paper bag. We talk like "accomplished military commanders" because we're proud of our work and it takes skill.
Despite the great numbers of you in this thread who are aggressively against invasions, with the field so short on numbers for liberators, liberations are rare events. Shame on us for celebrating our victories as great accomplishments. You can belittle those sentiments all you like, but it doesn't change that fact that one person here is doing their part to prevent invasions and the other is just antagonizing those people for bothering in the first place.
by Unibot III » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:58 pm
Pollona wrote:Yes, it takes skill to destroy other people's work.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Registug » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:58 pm
by Unibot III » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:01 pm
Registug wrote:There's already been a precedent set for raiding RP regions. My region, Sapphire, got raided at the end of last year after someone leaked the password, and no one did anything about it. Not defenders and not moderators.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Deusaeuri » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:02 pm
by Feazanthia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:06 pm
by The Orson Empire » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:06 pm
Elke and Elba wrote:Frisbeeteria wrote:You can insist all you want, but that won't make it happen. The original R/D summit was requested by [violet], and that's the only way a new one (or a continuation) will be started.
Well, I hope [violet] sees it then.
The current rift between the mods and II mentors is disturbing - it threatens the entire continuity of NS. To not care about the importance of RP will be disastrous to a extent never seen before.
by Registug » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:07 pm
Unibot III wrote:Registug wrote:There's already been a precedent set for raiding RP regions. My region, Sapphire, got raided at the end of last year after someone leaked the password, and no one did anything about it. Not defenders and not moderators.
That was a rare case where we did have enough defenders online to prevent the invasion... however, because Sapphire had a password on the region, it blocked defenders from being able to endorse your delegate. This meant invaders (who knew your password) were able to invade it without interference.
by Pollona » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:08 pm
Deusaeuri wrote:Unibot III wrote:
How am I destroying anyone's work?
I believe his point is that roleplaying regions are communities that take a while to make, and effort to maintain. As the cartographer for an RP region, I've divested many hours into it, and I would be very upset if some raiders simply posted on their forums/rmb the password for the region, which takes, maybe ten minutes, and more or less destroyed any further usefulness of my work.
by New Babylonia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:08 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Elke and Elba wrote:
Well, I hope [violet] sees it then.
The current rift between the mods and II mentors is disturbing - it threatens the entire continuity of NS. To not care about the importance of RP will be disastrous to a extent never seen before.
Right now, it seems the mods don't care at all. They have ignored the issue, and it has only gotten worse over time.
by The Kievan People » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:08 pm
Unibot III wrote:Not particularly. I have no idea why he would assume because someone serves as a defender that they cannot "write their way out of a paper bag". I'm a published author - I can manage a paper bag. We talk like "accomplished military commanders" because we're proud of our work and it takes skill.
Despite the great numbers of you in this thread who are aggressively against invasions, with the field so short on numbers for liberators, liberations are rare events. Shame on us for celebrating our victories as great accomplishments. You can belittle those sentiments all you like, but it doesn't change that fact that one person here is doing their part to prevent invasions and the other is just antagonizing those people for bothering in the first place.
by Deusaeuri » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:08 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Elke and Elba wrote:
Well, I hope [violet] sees it then.
The current rift between the mods and II mentors is disturbing - it threatens the entire continuity of NS. To not care about the importance of RP will be disastrous to a extent never seen before.
Right now, it seems the mods don't care at all. They have ignored the issue, and it has only gotten worse over time.
by Lux Santus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:09 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Elke and Elba wrote:can we insist the moderators open a entirely new R/D/RP summit to solve this issue again?
You can insist all you want, but that won't make it happen. The original R/D summit was requested by [violet], and that's the only way a new one (or a continuation) will be started.
by Ainin » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:10 pm
Feazanthia wrote:Guys, just want you to know, we have been in talks with those higher than ourselves.
Your/Our concerns are being heard by relevant people. We cannot promise anything, but you are not being ignored.
Pollona wrote:Unibot III wrote:
How am I destroying anyone's work?
Depends on what you define as work. If you define work as building your own region (and sequentially a community) that has, over the years, developed it's own traditions and style of playing then yes, invading it and ejecting it's occupants could be seen as a form of destruction.
by Feazanthia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:10 pm
Lux Santus wrote:Frisbeeteria wrote:You can insist all you want, but that won't make it happen. The original R/D summit was requested by [violet], and that's the only way a new one (or a continuation) will be started.
While the term "insisting" might be a bit heavy, a consideration would definitely be appropriate. Please consider the idea of another summit. If it's already considered or under consideration, it'll be reassuring for people who are sensitive in the matter to be notified, or better yet, on a public post where members can see.
As we cannot see what moderators discuss, I believe it would be an excellent idea to disclose at what stage the issue is being discussed. It doesn't have to be detailed.
by Pollona » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:12 pm
Ainin wrote:He's a defender. He's not destroying anyone's work.
by Unibot III » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:14 pm
Deusaeuri wrote:Unibot III wrote:
How am I destroying anyone's work?
I believe his point is that roleplaying regions are communities that take a while to make, and effort to maintain. As the cartographer for an RP region, I've divested many hours into it, and I would be very upset if some raiders simply posted on their forums/rmb the password for the region, which takes, maybe ten minutes, and more or less destroyed any further usefulness of my work.
And despite having advance warning, you didn't inform us of the raid, and the raiders didn't let us know we were aboutto be raided, and we ccouldn't do anything because we don't play the R/D side of Nationstates.
The raiders then went on about their "amazing victory" in griefing an undefended target and then you went back to your UDL thread and told Mall "well played", while meanwhile we were having our board vandalised and Mall fully intended to delete three years worth of writing.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Lux Santus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:15 pm
Feazanthia wrote:Lux Santus wrote:
While the term "insisting" might be a bit heavy, a consideration would definitely be appropriate. Please consider the idea of another summit. If it's already considered or under consideration, it'll be reassuring for people who are sensitive in the matter to be notified, or better yet, on a public post where members can see.
As we cannot see what moderators discuss, I believe it would be an excellent idea to disclose at what stage the issue is being discussed. It doesn't have to be detailed.
There are top men working on it.
Top. Men.
...seriously, though. Stuff is filtering up. Solutions are being tossed around. Today has had an effect. Can't promise anything though, but today has been noticed.
by Vangaziland » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:15 pm
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