Crysuko wrote:support withdrawn. if you're going to be so aggressive and animalistic about it.
> says the person who wanted to forcefully remove a RP region's PW so raiders could have at it
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by Minnysota » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:38 pm
Crysuko wrote:support withdrawn. if you're going to be so aggressive and animalistic about it.
by Nierr » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:40 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:Mall, I must admit, you do make a good case. The reactions to the proposal in the thread, especially those who are already getting warned for just their initial comments, are amusing. I'll Abstain, I guess. I'm in no way a fan of weaponizing the Security Council for something like this, but I've got no love for Haven and am frankly tired of those who choose to play our R/D Game and then claim they should be protected from it themselves.
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:47 pm
Crysuko wrote:You have our support for this, regions should not be allowed to stagnate in such a slow heat-death-of-the-universe sort of manner. We will provide any support should it be deemed needed for us to do so.
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:51 pm
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:55 pm
Crysuko wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
Why shouldn't regions be allowed to just quietly sit there if that's what the residents want to do?
If they want to sit around and do nothing then don't bother joing a region which are meant for actual action. adding a password to enforce the sloth compounds this issue.
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:59 pm
Crysuko wrote:support withdrawn. if you're going to be so aggressive and animalistic about it.
And don't for one second imply I don't know how things work. I dip my toe in this pond and have it bitten off, way to make an impression.
by The Batorys » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:02 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Tim-Opolis wrote:Mall, I must admit, you do make a good case. The reactions to the proposal in the thread, especially those who are already getting warned for just their initial comments, are amusing. I'll Abstain, I guess. I'm in no way a fan of weaponizing the Security Council for something like this, but I've got no love for Haven and am frankly tired of those who choose to play our R/D Game and then claim they should be protected from it themselves.
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by Benevolent Thomas » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:22 pm
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by New Tsavon » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:37 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:Its nice to see a WA forum moderator using the WA to troll the natives of this game into flaming. Classy as always.
by Oseato » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:39 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:Its nice to see a WA forum moderator using the WA to troll the natives of this game into flaming. Classy as always.
by Delmonte » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:40 pm
The Batorys wrote:The Delmontese like money, yeah, but they also like to throw down.
[b][color=#0000FF][background=red]United in Opposition to [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=303025]Liberate Haven[/url][/background][/color][/b]
[color=#FF0000][b]Mallorea and Riva should [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=303090]resign[/url][/b][/color]
by Renor Xukuth » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:44 pm
Delmonte wrote:I mean... This WAS funny, and I'm PRETTY sure it was a joke. I think it sets a bad precedent for holding a region's not wanting to be involved in R/D against them, just in case this is a serious resolution. It's like punching someone in the face for not wanting to box with you and then saying, "Well you not wanting to box made you a Goddamn coward, so clearly you should lose the boxing match." If it's a serious proposition it's just a sort of cancer AIDS hepatitis genocide gangrenous phallus sort of thing to say.
by Oseato » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:45 pm
Delmonte wrote:I mean... This WAS funny, and I'm PRETTY sure it was a joke. I think it sets a bad precedent for holding a region's not wanting to be involved in R/D against them, just in case this is a serious resolution. It's like punching someone in the face for not wanting to box with you and then saying, "Well you not wanting to box made you a Goddamn coward, so clearly you should lose the boxing match." If it's a serious proposition it's just a sort of cancer AIDS hepatitis genocide gangrenous phallus sort of thing to say.
by Delmonte » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:45 pm
Renor Xukuth wrote:Delmonte wrote:I mean... This WAS funny, and I'm PRETTY sure it was a joke. I think it sets a bad precedent for holding a region's not wanting to be involved in R/D against them, just in case this is a serious resolution. It's like punching someone in the face for not wanting to box with you and then saying, "Well you not wanting to box made you a Goddamn coward, so clearly you should lose the boxing match." If it's a serious proposition it's just a sort of cancer AIDS hepatitis genocide gangrenous phallus sort of thing to say.
We concur. It will destabilize the regions, and it could lead to the end of many aspects that are positive to this gaming experience.
The Batorys wrote:The Delmontese like money, yeah, but they also like to throw down.
[b][color=#0000FF][background=red]United in Opposition to [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=303025]Liberate Haven[/url][/background][/color][/b]
[color=#FF0000][b]Mallorea and Riva should [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=303090]resign[/url][/b][/color]
by Vetok » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:02 pm
by Delmonte » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:04 pm
Vetok wrote:Speaking for myself, I'll happily dance with the devils of Delmonte and his followers if it helps prevent the spiteful usurpation of what is a historic roleplay region. You might not like Haven, and you might be willing to lie just to fuck it over, but not all of us are willing to let that happen.
The Batorys wrote:The Delmontese like money, yeah, but they also like to throw down.
[b][color=#0000FF][background=red]United in Opposition to [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=303025]Liberate Haven[/url][/background][/color][/b]
[color=#FF0000][b]Mallorea and Riva should [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=303090]resign[/url][/b][/color]
by Benevolent Thomas » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:33 pm
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by Mallorea and Riva » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:34 pm
by Tano » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:36 pm
Govindia: Do you consider me a friend, or just an acquaintance or what?
hobbes: I don't particularly consider anyone a true 'friend'
hobbes: at least,not on NS
Govindia: why is that?
hobbes: because
hobbes: everyone here is a jackass
hobbes: myself included
Pixie: *heart sploosh*
Tano: if your heart is splooshing you should contact a doctor
Tano: hearts are supposed to thump not sploosh
Pixie: No this is normal
Pixie: intense emotion causes me to hemorrage internally
Pixie: my life is like a really depressing comedic episode of The X-Files
Khron: we need an achievment of rem's face just for Tano
Pixie: haha
Pixie: "be Tano"
Brunhilde: My quotes should be in more signatures.
by Kylarnatia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:41 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:1) Haven was involved in TSP. They had the embassy, embassies which were given in exchange for support. How many of you roleplayers who have flooded this thread were there too?
Kylarnatia wrote:Dismissing the argument that peaceful regions such as Haven should not be attacked by noting that such "peaceful regions" were heavily involved in the 2013 coup of The South Pacific.
...and, from what I can gather from reading this thread, your only piece of evidence to support that claim is the fact that Haven had a brief embassy with The South Pacific during that time? Do you not perhaps think that, to roleplay regions, embassies embody a completely different meaning then what they do to the R/D game?
As far as I've always seen it, embassies were a friendly gesture, and that was that. Seeing as Milograd - a prominent member of the roleplaying community long before his supposedly infamous streak in the gameplay community - was in charge of The South Pacific at the time, do you not think it is plausible that regions like Haven accepted the embassies merely as a friendly gesture, and nothing else? I certainly know this to be the reason for why Gholgoth's embassy was established.
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by Delmonte » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:41 pm
The Batorys wrote:The Delmontese like money, yeah, but they also like to throw down.
[b][color=#0000FF][background=red]United in Opposition to [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=303025]Liberate Haven[/url][/background][/color][/b]
[color=#FF0000][b]Mallorea and Riva should [url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=303090]resign[/url][/b][/color]
by Vetok » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:44 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I'm going to respond to the general sentiments of the posts above rather than specific posts because there are so many and they tend to be incredibly repetitive. If anyone believes that I've missed a point then they can feel free to let me know.
- Haven wasn't involved in TSP!
- Even if it was that doesn't justify this!
- You secretly want to raid Haven and that is all this is about!
- Raiding is evil!
So let's go down that list and see where everything falls.
1) Haven was involved in TSP. They had the embassy, embassies which were given in exchange for support. How many of you roleplayers who have flooded this thread were there too? More than a few, fun fact. You can play the victim all you want and feign ignorance of what happened, but to argue that Haven was uninvolved is simply lying. Getting that embassy with haven and concessions in the WFE to various RP regions were critical to gaining the support that allowed the 2013 coup to last ten days instead of only three. For those who complain that I was involved in the Coup of TSP: wouldn't that make me the resident expert on who was and was not involved?
Mallorea and Riva wrote:2) This is where I see a lot of confusion. The line regarding TSP is not a justification for the proposal. That line exists to serve as a rebuttal to a potential counterargument, it is not by itself a justification but rather seeks to undermine the justification for voting against. The other clauses justify the Liberation: namely that the activity generated by raiding it outweighs the "rights" of the natives to continue rotting behind the password. People keep touting the amazing history of Haven, but I'm the only one who is attempting to give it a future.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:3) There is nothing sneaky about this proposal. I say in the text that I want this to result in a raid of Haven. So the various people who are accusing me of lying or trying to be sneaky probably haven't actually read the text of the proposal.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:4) Hey you can think whatever you want about raiding. If you disagree, then vote against. The SC Liberation feature exists to strip regions of their autonomy as the voters see fit. If the voters see fit in this case then that will happen to Haven.
by Tano » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:45 pm
Delmonte wrote:Mall, this is a base attempt to chase role players away from NationStates. And that's stupid. Because what Role Players do on NS is all that anyone from outside NS can really relate to.
"Oh, you write things for other people to see, wow that's really neat."
"Wait, you mean... at twelve am you... switch regions then... click a button and... that does what?"
See the difference?
Govindia: Do you consider me a friend, or just an acquaintance or what?
hobbes: I don't particularly consider anyone a true 'friend'
hobbes: at least,not on NS
Govindia: why is that?
hobbes: because
hobbes: everyone here is a jackass
hobbes: myself included
Pixie: *heart sploosh*
Tano: if your heart is splooshing you should contact a doctor
Tano: hearts are supposed to thump not sploosh
Pixie: No this is normal
Pixie: intense emotion causes me to hemorrage internally
Pixie: my life is like a really depressing comedic episode of The X-Files
Khron: we need an achievment of rem's face just for Tano
Pixie: haha
Pixie: "be Tano"
Brunhilde: My quotes should be in more signatures.
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