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by Beiluxia » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:55 pm
by Sarkegiapoi » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:18 pm
by Alexanda » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:15 pm
Sarkegiapoi wrote:No school uniform since they are a burden to poor parents. Furthermore they do not help reduce bullying, have better team spirit or help students feel equal. I have been in both scenarios and have noticed no differences. Both ways people will get bullied and there will always be a social class.
by Ryfylke » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:28 pm
NERVUN wrote:Ryfylke wrote:I really didn't. Greater London was insisting that expression can be maintained while wearing uniforms. I then pointed out that allowing such expression allows an opportunity for the sort of bulling that uniform proponents say they are trying to eliminate. It really wan't a stretch.
Not particularly.
NERVUN wrote:Read what I said again and tell me where I said clothing was the only means to express oneself. What is shallow is categorically rejecting a means of expression that some people value.
Some people value singing, still can't sing in the middle class. Can't paint graffiti either, no matter if value it. Just because it's valued as a means of expression does not mean you automatically get to do it.
NERVUN wrote:But apparently that argument, along with the notion that you can still express yourself in ways other than clothing, is lost.
NERVUN wrote:Look, I've addressed the safety issues in later posts, so please don't just hop in on the first post of mine you see.
I read your later posts, no you didn't.
by Brickistan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:57 am
Kernen wrote:Brickistan wrote:
America seems to be somewhat isolated in that regard. Here in Denmark (and other countries in Europe I think) it's quite common to travel abroad with schools. Personally, I've been to Germany, America, Sweden, and the Czech Republic.
Traveling abroad from the US would be monumentally expensive depending on the location of the school. It's just not economically sound. Since it's so prohibitively pricy, people aren't familiar with how to handle other nations, which creates a bigger liability for those in charge of such a group. It's a vicious cycle that clearly demands we focus on transporter technology.
by Dazchan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:33 am
Ryfylke wrote:Sorry you don't see it. Truly, I am. There isn't a safety benefit of uniforms that couldn't be addressed with a cheaper, less restrictive solution.
by Costa Fierro » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:35 am
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:57 am
by Costa Fierro » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:17 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:A dress code? Sure. (Provided it isn't sexist.)
A uniform? It's a bit antiquated.
by Upper America » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:37 am
Alexanda wrote:Sarkegiapoi wrote:No school uniform since they are a burden to poor parents. Furthermore they do not help reduce bullying, have better team spirit or help students feel equal. I have been in both scenarios and have noticed no differences. Both ways people will get bullied and there will always be a social class.
A burden? A problem, perhaps, but one wouldn't call it a problem.
by Calimera II » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:58 am
by Sarkegiapoi » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:12 am
by The Flood » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:12 pm
What would constitute a sexist dress code?Ostroeuropa wrote:A dress code? Sure. (Provided it isn't sexist.)
A uniform? It's a bit antiquated.
by The Flood » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:14 pm
Scarves, perhaps?Dazchan wrote:Ryfylke wrote:Sorry you don't see it. Truly, I am. There isn't a safety benefit of uniforms that couldn't be addressed with a cheaper, less restrictive solution.
My school typically takes students on excursions in groups of anywhere between 2 and 6 classes (60-180 students). What "cheaper, less restrictive solution" do you offer to ensure that I can quickly and efficiently keep tabs on every single one of them in a crowded, public area?
My school has a current enrollment of around 650. I do not know every student, because that just isn't practical. Before the commencement of classes, we allow these students access to two playgrounds - so there are roughly 325 students under the supervision of a single teacher. What "cheaper, less restrictive solution" do you offer to ensure that I can instantly spot the child from another school who has entered our grounds when I'm supervising the playgrounds before class?
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:16 pm
by Upper America » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:33 pm
by Dazchan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:54 pm
The Flood wrote:Scarves, perhaps?Dazchan wrote:
My school typically takes students on excursions in groups of anywhere between 2 and 6 classes (60-180 students). What "cheaper, less restrictive solution" do you offer to ensure that I can quickly and efficiently keep tabs on every single one of them in a crowded, public area?
My school has a current enrollment of around 650. I do not know every student, because that just isn't practical. Before the commencement of classes, we allow these students access to two playgrounds - so there are roughly 325 students under the supervision of a single teacher. What "cheaper, less restrictive solution" do you offer to ensure that I can instantly spot the child from another school who has entered our grounds when I'm supervising the playgrounds before class?
by Alyska » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:22 pm
by The Flood » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:49 pm
Wouldn't it pretty much be a uniform if girls all had to wear skirts?
by The Flood » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:50 pm
No, they'd only be worn during field trips for keeping track of kids or whatever it is uniform supporters think it is uniforms are good for.
by Upper America » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:58 pm
by The New United States » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:03 pm
by Ambibia » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:53 pm
by Pensalum » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:14 pm
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