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Should shop-owners be required to serve adulterers?

Yes, adultery is a victimless crime!
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Yes, it is none of the shop-owner's business.
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No, individual freedom
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No, in fact, people shouldn't serve them
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Postby Jumalariik » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:43 pm

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Jumalariik wrote:Are you serious?

So, someone who you trust enough to have sex with can betray that trust, and that's ok. Good to know.

We have nothing to discuss.

No, you misunderstand. I will have a word with them and sort things out as needed. If there are legitimate reasons, then we'll split. I am a forgiving person.

However it is not of anyone's right to budge in another's personal lives. Have you an ounce of dignity? Unless it was politely asked of, but even then, adultery is a personal issue that other's are not supposed to know of.

Oh, come on. People kill themselves sometimes because of cheating, but it's private? Is bullying private to you?
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:43 pm

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greed and death wrote:You must not have been to a small town. They are that nosy and more.

Then they are all a rude bunch by default. Nosiness is disrespectful and undignified.

No in the south nosiness is just being friendly.

It is the people not confirming or denying all the rumors heard about them that are rude.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:45 pm

In what century do shop owners have business in someones bedroom extra marital relationship and sexual encounters?

Honestly, leave the people be they will be bitched at enough once [if ever] the spouse finds out. No need to make them suffer even more.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:45 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Go to a big city and find someone who used to live in a small town and is divorced. In many cases it is because one or the other cheated and the town made his/her life miserable.


Yes greed, yes. Next time I go to St. Louis I'll be sure to ask the next person I see if they lived in a small town, if they were cheated on or cheated on their spouse and if the town made it miserable for them to live there. Sure thing. It's in my list of things to do. No worries.

Businesses are there for profit so unless you live in one of those hole in the wall towns, I assure you, neither Walgreens or Walmart or the mom and pop's in the town square is going to deny you service and the chance to make a profit just because you're porking another woman/man who isn't your spouse. Money speaks loud.

That's what black people thought too. But, well, there's a reason why we have the Civil Rights Act.

I'm not defending those kind of businesses, but businesses do discriminate people based on a non-protected class. Even if they're as big as Walgreens. Besides, the manager of such places can be in complete control of the business.
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Postby Kiruri » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:45 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kiruri wrote:

I wouldn't consider it ethical... but that's irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? If you do that and make them travel to the next town, they should be able to sue you for it.


It doesn't matter if it's ethical or not. Business owners should have the right to decide if they want to sell their wares or not.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:45 pm

Benuty wrote:In what century do shop owners have business in someones bedroom extra marital relationship and sexual encounters?

Honestly, leave the people be they will be bitched at enough once [if ever] the spouse finds out. No need to make them suffer even more.

they are leaving them alone once they get out of the shop.
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Postby Kiruri » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:46 pm

greed and death wrote:
Senyosu wrote:Then they are all a rude bunch by default. Nosiness is disrespectful and undignified.

No in the south nosiness is just being friendly.

It is the people not confirming or denying all the rumors heard about them that are rude.


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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:46 pm

Kiruri wrote:
Geilinor wrote:How is it irrelevant? If you do that and make them travel to the next town, they should be able to sue you for it.


It doesn't matter if it's ethical or not. Business owners should have the right to decide if they want to sell their wares or not.

Yet adultery is hardly an important financial impact to their "wares".
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:46 pm

Kiruri wrote:
Geilinor wrote:How is it irrelevant? If you do that and make them travel to the next town, they should be able to sue you for it.


It doesn't matter if it's ethical or not. Business owners should have the right to decide if they want to sell their wares or not.

And the person who is affected by the discrimination has the right to sue.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Go to a big city and find someone who used to live in a small town and is divorced. In many cases it is because one or the other cheated and the town made his/her life miserable.


Yes greed, yes. Next time I go to St. Louis I'll be sure to ask the next person I see if they lived in a small town, if they were cheated on or cheated on their spouse and if the town made it miserable for them to live there. Sure thing. It's in my list of things to do. No worries.

Businesses are there for profit so unless you live in one of those hole in the wall towns, I assure you, neither Walgreens or Walmart or the mom and pop's in the town square is going to deny you service and the chance to make a profit just because you're porking another woman/man who isn't your spouse. Money speaks loud.

It would be easier to work as a bartender people tend to tell their bartender their problems.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:47 pm

Kiruri wrote:
Geilinor wrote:How is it irrelevant? If you do that and make them travel to the next town, they should be able to sue you for it.


It doesn't matter if it's ethical or not. Business owners should have the right to decide if they want to sell their wares or not.

Where does that right came from? Naturally?
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Postby Valkalan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:47 pm

If the shop owner feels that his/her beliefs should compel them to abstain from servicing adulterers, then it is their right as to refuse service. Time will tell whether or not this is a financially savvy decision.
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Postby Kiruri » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Why should anyone pay attention to gossipers?


Ideally, we shouldn't indulge the gossipers. More often than not, they spread rumors, not truth, and they do it maliciously.

True, quite true.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:47 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes, it's not the owners business to keep track of his customers sex lives.

It's not your job to keep track of his business practices.

No, that's the governments job.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:48 pm

A private business should have the right to decide who they sell to.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:48 pm

greed and death wrote:
Benuty wrote:In what century do shop owners have business in someones bedroom extra marital relationship and sexual encounters?

Honestly, leave the people be they will be bitched at enough once [if ever] the spouse finds out. No need to make them suffer even more.

they are leaving them alone once they get out of the shop.

I'd think shop owners have better things to do. Like getting their employees to stop eating all the damn icing off the cakes.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:48 pm

Norstal wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yes greed, yes. Next time I go to St. Louis I'll be sure to ask the next person I see if they lived in a small town, if they were cheated on or cheated on their spouse and if the town made it miserable for them to live there. Sure thing. It's in my list of things to do. No worries.

Businesses are there for profit so unless you live in one of those hole in the wall towns, I assure you, neither Walgreens or Walmart or the mom and pop's in the town square is going to deny you service and the chance to make a profit just because you're porking another woman/man who isn't your spouse. Money speaks loud.

That's what black people thought too. But, well, there's a reason why we have the Civil Rights Act.

I'm not defending those kind of businesses, but businesses do discriminate people based on a non-protected class.


Sure it happens and has happened, which is why I don't think it's any business of the shop owner what color/ethnicity/nationality/gender/sex/orientation/adultery/swinger/whathaveyou you are. That shouldn't factor in the service you're paying for. Who you pork or not is no one else's business but your own.

And fuck small town gossipers.
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Postby Kiruri » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:49 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kiruri wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's ethical or not. Business owners should have the right to decide if they want to sell their wares or not.

And the person who is affected by the discrimination has the right to sue.

Why so?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:50 pm

greed and death wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yes greed, yes. Next time I go to St. Louis I'll be sure to ask the next person I see if they lived in a small town, if they were cheated on or cheated on their spouse and if the town made it miserable for them to live there. Sure thing. It's in my list of things to do. No worries.

Businesses are there for profit so unless you live in one of those hole in the wall towns, I assure you, neither Walgreens or Walmart or the mom and pop's in the town square is going to deny you service and the chance to make a profit just because you're porking another woman/man who isn't your spouse. Money speaks loud.

It would be easier to work as a bartender people tend to tell their bartender their problems.


Just become the town barber.
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Postby Kiruri » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:50 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:A private business should have the right to decide who they sell to.

exactly.
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:53 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Senyosu wrote:No, you misunderstand. I will have a word with them and sort things out as needed. If there are legitimate reasons, then we'll split. I am a forgiving person.

However it is not of anyone's right to budge in another's personal lives. Have you an ounce of dignity? Unless it was politely asked of, but even then, adultery is a personal issue that other's are not supposed to know of.

Oh, come on. People kill themselves sometimes because of cheating, but it's private? Is bullying private to you?
You don't ask about people's relationships at all unless you have a legitimate reason to or you are close to the individual. Relationships in and of themselves are highly personal, and likewise, matters concerning them are personal. If you were to ask anyone "Hey? Did you cheat on your spouse?", then you are an asshole. There is no reason to ask that of anyone you are serving at a shop.
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Postby Senyosu » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:54 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Senyosu wrote:No, you misunderstand. I will have a word with them and sort things out as needed. If there are legitimate reasons, then we'll split. I am a forgiving person.

However it is not of anyone's right to budge in another's personal lives. Have you an ounce of dignity? Unless it was politely asked of, but even then, adultery is a personal issue that other's are not supposed to know of.

Oh, come on. People kill themselves sometimes because of cheating, but it's private? Is bullying private to you?

Well, there are lines to be drawn. And now you are jumping the gun. Goodness me.
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Postby Daenemark » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:57 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:A private business should have the right to decide who they sell to.

Do you not remember segregation or what?
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Postby Jumalariik » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:00 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Oh, come on. People kill themselves sometimes because of cheating, but it's private? Is bullying private to you?
You don't ask about people's relationships at all unless you have a legitimate reason to or you are close to the individual. Relationships in and of themselves are highly personal, and likewise, matters concerning them are personal. If you were to ask anyone "Hey? Did you cheat on your spouse?", then you are an asshole. There is no reason to ask that of anyone you are serving at a shop.

Honestly, I'm gonna make an assumption, but from previous debates, it would be likely, you probably believe that gays should be able to kiss/make out in public?
How is that a private act?
Then again, how is any public making out a private act?
Please, be consistent. If a relationship is a private matter, it should be kept private, however, people are often public about their relationships. Plus, in small towns, everybody is reasonably close.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:03 pm

Daenemark wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:A private business should have the right to decide who they sell to.

Do you not remember segregation or what?


I do.

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