That's switching the point my friend, so it is assumed then that you admit abortion would be murder if Christian Law stated it was murder?
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by Menassa » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:10 pm
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:14 pm
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Daenemark » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:16 pm
Estrain wrote:!11!!1! woman-folk don't get it it's not fair to the pre-born humans!!!1!!11
by Dangelia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:16 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Just a few abortions, condoms or kids born in vitro, and christians are in total rage...
It will be funny when we start with cloning, DNA advancement technologies and technological augmentations (when people start to replace own healthy body parts by artificial one's).
Love for Amish. At least they have own little piece of world without oppressing others to respect their divine autoritah
Yes. That's a good idea. Who thinks this civilisation is more and more godless and evil, just GTFO and start own communities. And don't bother, pls.
by Daenemark » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:17 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Just a few abortions, condoms or kids born in vitro, and christians are in total rage...
It will be funny when we start with cloning, DNA advancement technologies and technological augmentations (when people start to replace own healthy body parts by artificial one's).
Love for Amish. At least they have own little piece of world without oppressing others to respect their divine autoritah
Yes. That's a good idea. Who thinks this civilisation is more and more godless and evil, just GTFO and start own communities. And don't bother, pls.
Estrain wrote:!11!!1! woman-folk don't get it it's not fair to the pre-born humans!!!1!!11
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:18 pm
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:20 pm
Dangelia wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:Just a few abortions, condoms or kids born in vitro, and christians are in total rage...
It will be funny when we start with cloning, DNA advancement technologies and technological augmentations (when people start to replace own healthy body parts by artificial one's).
Love for Amish. At least they have own little piece of world without oppressing others to respect their divine autoritah
Yes. That's a good idea. Who thinks this civilisation is more and more godless and evil, just GTFO and start own communities. And don't bother, pls.
Well, that totally wasn't mean
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:20 pm
Dangelia wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:Just a few abortions, condoms or kids born in vitro, and christians are in total rage...
It will be funny when we start with cloning, DNA advancement technologies and technological augmentations (when people start to replace own healthy body parts by artificial one's).
Love for Amish. At least they have own little piece of world without oppressing others to respect their divine autoritah
Yes. That's a good idea. Who thinks this civilisation is more and more godless and evil, just GTFO and start own communities. And don't bother, pls.
Well, that totally wasn't mean
by Menassa » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:21 pm
Daenemark wrote:my point is that nothing is 100% clear, people can always use different interpretations or ways of looking at things to defend their beliefs. if u feel that abortion is wrong and you can back it up with scriptural evidence, then you can do that. but if you don't think it's necessarily wrong, or u think free will is more important than what you think someone should do with their own body, then you can back it up with different ideas/lack of evidence.
by Angleter » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:22 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Angleter wrote:
You really aren't helping your argument here.
Yes, I am. If he DID read enough a science books, he would know that we are not so special creatures and our life and death is nothing comparing to whole nature, Earth, Solar system or Universe itself.
So starting wars, even flame wars on forum about it makes no sense, since we should be all just glad to be still alive and relatively happy, not keep bitching about every damn life's detail.
Or cell, in this case.
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:27 pm
Daenemark wrote:you're going way overboard, dude. this thread isn't for hating on people.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by The Norgan Alliance » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:30 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Angleter wrote:
You really aren't helping your argument here.
Yes, I am. If he DID read enough a science books, he would know that we are not so special creatures and our life and death is nothing comparing to whole nature, Earth, Solar system or Universe itself.
So starting wars, even flame wars on forum about it makes no sense, since we should be all just glad to be still alive and relatively happy, not keep bitching about every damn life's detail.
Or cell, in this case.
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:35 pm
Angleter wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
Yes, I am. If he DID read enough a science books, he would know that we are not so special creatures and our life and death is nothing comparing to whole nature, Earth, Solar system or Universe itself.
So starting wars, even flame wars on forum about it makes no sense, since we should be all just glad to be still alive and relatively happy, not keep bitching about every damn life's detail.
Or cell, in this case.
It's just I've never seen someone try to justify abortion by saying that "those few human cells" and born humans are essentially the same.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:37 pm
The Norgan Alliance wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
Yes, I am. If he DID read enough a science books, he would know that we are not so special creatures and our life and death is nothing comparing to whole nature, Earth, Solar system or Universe itself.
So starting wars, even flame wars on forum about it makes no sense, since we should be all just glad to be still alive and relatively happy, not keep bitching about every damn life's detail.
Or cell, in this case.
Please don't mind me barging in, but this is a logical falacy.
Whether or not we're significant or not is completely irrelevant to the argument.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Daenemark » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:39 pm
Menassa wrote:Daenemark wrote:not really, that was kind of my point all along, and ya.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, I thought your point was that abortion can't be murder if it's legal.Daenemark wrote:my point is that nothing is 100% clear, people can always use different interpretations or ways of looking at things to defend their beliefs. if u feel that abortion is wrong and you can back it up with scriptural evidence, then you can do that. but if you don't think it's necessarily wrong, or u think free will is more important than what you think someone should do with their own body, then you can back it up with different ideas/lack of evidence.
That's an entirely different point than what I interpreted you saying, and perhaps even what I was lead to believe.
In fact, that's an entirely different conversation.
Estrain wrote:!11!!1! woman-folk don't get it it's not fair to the pre-born humans!!!1!!11
by The Flood » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:46 pm
Being pro-choice and being a Christian are mutually exclusive.
by The Flood » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:49 pm
If one were to think free will is more important then preventing murder, one must think that there should be no laws at all, since free will is evidently more important then a civilized society.Daenemark wrote:Menassa wrote:That's switching the point my friend, so it is assumed then that you admit abortion would be murder if Christian Law stated it was murder?
not really, that was kind of my point all along, and ya.
my point is that nothing is 100% clear, people can always use different interpretations or ways of looking at things to defend their beliefs. if u feel that abortion is wrong and you can back it up with scriptural evidence, then you can do that. but if you don't think it's necessarily wrong, or u think free will is more important than what you think someone should do with their own body, then you can back it up with different ideas/lack of evidence.
by Distruzio » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:52 pm
by The Norgan Alliance » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:56 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:The Norgan Alliance wrote:Please don't mind me barging in, but this is a logical falacy.
Whether or not we're significant or not is completely irrelevant to the argument.
If Christians believe that we were created by a God like his children, his chosen creatures with some special treatments, which were chosen to live on world created by same God and living by His rules, significance is very relevant to the problem's true core.
People believing in any 'one true God' apparently cannot deal with fact that we are all unimportant, not special and life's only purpose is life itself, and many things they often despise, not just abortion-hate, are obviously connected with it.
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:56 pm
The Flood wrote:If one were to think free will is more important then preventing murder, one must think that there should be no laws at all, since free will is evidently more important then a civilized society.
The Norgan Alliance wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
If Christians believe that we were created by a God like his children, his chosen creatures with some special treatments, which were chosen to live on world created by same God and living by His rules, significance is very relevant to the problem's true core.
People believing in any 'one true God' apparently cannot deal with fact that we are all unimportant, not special and life's only purpose is life itself, and many things they often despise, not just abortion-hate, are obviously connected with it.
Would you be okay if we TG'd this out? This is on topic right now but I think things are headed south for winter.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Distruzio » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:06 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:The Norgan Alliance wrote:Please don't mind me barging in, but this is a logical falacy.
Whether or not we're significant or not is completely irrelevant to the argument.
If Christians believe that we were created by a God like his children, his chosen creatures with some special treatments, which were chosen to live on world created by same God and living by His rules, significance is very relevant to the problem's true core.
People believing in any 'one true God' apparently cannot deal with fact that we are all unimportant, not special and life's only purpose is life itself, and many things they often despise, not just abortion-hate, are obviously connected with it.
by Socialist Czechia » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:24 pm
Distruzio wrote:If that's what you get out of Christian theology then you aren't paying attention.
The reality is that believing in an all powerful all knowing God deliberately reveals the insignificance of man to the Christian mind. It's central to our belief system. We don't believe that mankind is special. We believe that mankind is especially responsible for the shit that stains the world - that it is mankinds responsibility to clean up any and all messes it makes. Why? Because we aren't that special afterall.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Distruzio » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:30 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Distruzio wrote:If that's what you get out of Christian theology then you aren't paying attention.
The reality is that believing in an all powerful all knowing God deliberately reveals the insignificance of man to the Christian mind. It's central to our belief system. We don't believe that mankind is special. We believe that mankind is especially responsible for the shit that stains the world - that it is mankinds responsibility to clean up any and all messes it makes. Why? Because we aren't that special afterall.
Interesting claim. And yet, you surely pray to God, like all Christians do. Why? You're insignificant, he knows everything, what happened or will happen, so why to even bother?
Because it's your God, order in the chaos, who created man and 'gave' him a world.
I didn't meant 'special' status, like when some dude claimed God spoken to him and created sect to exploit a few people, but your status being there on this planet, on this world alive and existing.
It all makes you something more than just another creature who will live and die like nothing happened.
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