Opinion: The Meaninglessness of Secularism

[New Israel and Pan-America]

Ecclesiastes 12:8 - "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Everything is meaningless!"

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

[Greater Mackonia]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

You fail to understand that even if there were a God people such as myself would still not worship him.

[Lalaki]

I gave you the definition earlier go look at it it has the bold words SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

Not from the constitution, from a letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. Two days later our esteemed President went to a church service in the capitol.

The first amendment ensures the government doesn't favor one Christian denomination over another. It applies to congress alone. Thus, states are free to establish Christian religion firmly over their jurisdiction. The federal government can, also, to an extent.

Separation of Church and State -- it ain't in the Constitution.™

The first amendment prevents the government from favoring any other religion over another. Not just denominations.

And, the states are bound to the first amendment via the fourteenth amendment (incorporation).

The Constitution is secular.

[The New Lowlands]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

...No.

[Neutraligon]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

Still waiting, still being ignored.

[Utceforp]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

You're funny.

[Aeternabilis]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

Hahahahahahaha that's funny. No, secularism is the best way for a government to handle religion. Which is to say, it shouldn't.

[The Saint James Islands]

If only there was thing thing called incorporation. Oh wait.

The 14th amendment doesn't do anything, though. It still says in the 1st amendment, "CONGRESS". Thus it only makes the states recognize Congress's inability to favor one Christian denomination over another.

CONGRESS shall make no law. Not the states, CONGRESS.

Sheesh.

Tell that to the Supreme Court that has explicitly said that the First Amendment applies to the states.

No theocracy for you!

[MERIZoC]

Ecclesiastes 12:8 - "Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Everything is meaningless!"

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

Which isn't what this thread is about in the first place, so….

[Kingdom of Israel]

But you don't believe in God, though. You said so yourself.

So?

God delivered Israel out of Egypt and gave them the land of Canaan,

If an exodus actually happened (I believe it happened on a much smaller scale than depicted int he book of Exodus), I believe it was my ancestors that God out by themselves, without the help of a God.

from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates, as an inheritance. God did it.

It was the borders of David's Empire, that's why the later person who wrote the book of Genesis has decided to make it "the ideal size of the kingdom".

Source: I'm reading the Bible also. Have done it 2 times already, currently on my third.

Nice, but I read it in Hebrew, the original language.

[Greater Mackonia]

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

Hahahahahahaha that's funny. No, secularism is the best way for a government to handle religion. Which is to say, it shouldn't.

No it should be openly antagonistic towards certain faiths such as Christianity.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

[New Israel and Pan-America]

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

You fail to understand that even if there were a God people such as myself would still not worship him.

Zechariah 14:17 - If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain.

When Christ rules on the Earth, anyone who finally accepts His existence but still stubbornly and proudly refuses to worship Him will be punished.

[MERIZoC]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

Keep telling yourself that.

[Nasal Bondage]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

On the contrary, your incoherent arguments have probably driven people away from your point of view.

[Ikania]

The problem here is that you're acknowledging the Bible and Christianity as fact. What if Allah was the only God? What if we were ruled by Nine Divines- Talos, Stendarr, Kynareth, etc? What if... wait for it... there is no God?

If the real God is not the Christian God, then what happens to your good Christian nation? Everyone inside it feels like a loser for enforcing their principles of infidelity instead of allowing people to believe what they want.

And what if there is no God? Then why must we still push Christian values upon our people? Why not Islamic values? Or pagan virtues? After all, I'd say Hinduism and Buddhism provides much better principles of life than the God who demands people who plant figs, shave beards or have gay sex stoned to death.

Secularism is important because there are so many thousands of religions and yet only one can be right; why chance it by choosing one over all the others instead of just letting people believe what they want to without interference from the government?

And also, your point on the meaninglessness (totally a word) of life is absolute bullshit. I'm an atheist, I think we have no purpose, no prime directive, we're just here. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't make the most of it. If I sit here, wallowing in depression about our ultimate fate, I won't accomplish anything, will I? I could go out, play sports, have fun, drink, laugh and maybe just sit in front of the TV eating a bowl of cereal. Because who says we can't have fun? God? See above.

Life is about enjoying it to the fullest, helping others and yourself, and the whole time just having fun.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Including this thread, since OP isn't going to convince atheists that there is a god.

I have probably shattered the faith of many atheists in secularism. Some people who have read this haven't posted a reply. I've already planted the seeds of disbelief in atheism. Continued work will be enough to stop faith in the atheist dogma.

Oh my God, I have seen the light and am now save, brothers and sisters. Hallelujah! I forever renounce my Godless and evil ways, and go on the straight and narrow path!

Iiiiii once was lost, but now am foooooooooound, waaaaaaaaaaas blind buuuuuuuut now I seeeeeeeeeee!

[The New Lowlands]

New Israel, why do you hate effective government?

[Aeternabilis]

Hahahahahahaha that's funny. No, secularism is the best way for a government to handle religion. Which is to say, it shouldn't.

No it should be openly antagonistic towards certain faiths such as Christianity.

No, it should just ignore religion in its laws, period. Being openly antagonistic is the gateway to genocide.

[The Saint James Islands]

I think it might be more productive for me to play Fundamentalist Arguments Bingo than continue to post here. Anyone want to join me?

[New Israel and Pan-America]

Hahahahahahaha that's funny. No, secularism is the best way for a government to handle religion. Which is to say, it shouldn't.

No it should be openly antagonistic towards certain faiths such as Christianity.

Just like Joseph Stalin, the great comrade! He murdered millions of people, but that's nothing to worry about! He was a model communist! He tore down churches and deported the Jews to a remote part of Russia.

Great guy, that Joseph! Too bad he died![/sarcasm]

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

Always remember kids, if God is real, he's the guy who could have made Pokemon real but instead was like "nah, malaria."

[Kingdom of Israel]

I'm an actual descendant of the Historical Israelites, and I actually live in the State of Israel.

Why don't I believe this?

?
What's not to believe, I live in Israel, and am a Jew therefore a descendant of the Israelites.

[Grenartia]

"God denial in the mind."

Again, many people who are pious and dedicated to faith don't want religion to mix with government.

Me.

Me as well.

If you don't believe in God, then don't call your country the Kingdom of Israel.

Israel in Hebrew means, 'he struggles with God'. Jacob struggled with an angel, wrestling him for an entire night. The angel injured Jacob. Jacob asked for a blessing and got one. He was given the new name, Israel.

"I won't address anyone's point, just bitch about their names!"

HOW DARE WE EXPECT THIS NEWPERSON TO ENGAGE IN INTELLECTUALLY HONEST DISCUSSION!? WE'RE THE REAL MONSTERS HERE!

The first amendment ensures the government doesn't favor one Christian denomination over another. It applies to congress alone. Thus, states are free to establish Christian religion firmly over their jurisdiction. The federal government can, also, to an extent.

Lel, nope.

The 1st Amendment makes mention of religion, not religious sects. It heavily implies all of the government (and, indeed, would be literally worth less than the scrap of paper it was written on if it didn't apply to the entire government, all branches, all levels).

[Greater Mackonia]

You fail to understand that even if there were a God people such as myself would still not worship him.

Zechariah 14:17 - If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain.

When Christ rules on the Earth, anyone who finally accepts His existence but still stubbornly and proudly refuses to worship Him will be punished.

He will be struck dumb by my greatness and go away humbled.