Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

[Kainesia]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for woo the same as murder?

I chop down plenty of trees for woo.

[The Alma Mater]

Why is this thread not dead already? xP

Because it is an intruiging philsophical question that people have been asking for centuries - with very different answers.

I am still amazed that people are unaware of that.. surely many people here have had at least basic courses in philosophy ?

[Mormak]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for woo the same as murder?

I chop down plenty of trees for woo.

Do people mean wood here?

[Kiruri]

Why is this thread not dead already? xP

Because it is an intruiging philsophical question that people have been asking for centuries - with very different answers.

I am still amazed that people are unaware of that.. surely many people here have had at least basic courses in philosophy ?

Intriguing? Hardly... Killing pigs is not the same as murdering children. Either which way, why does it matter? Pigs are food. We need food. Of course, pigs aren't the only source of food for us humans, but they're an option. Nobody should be prohibited from eating meat (or in this case, pig)

[Lavan Tiri]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for wool the same as murder?

They do? How does one find out if trees have feelings? Physiological analysis....of an organism with no capacity to communicate(as far as I know), or by setting it on fire see if it cries?

[Solaray]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for wool the same as murder?

They do? How does one find out if trees have feelings? Physiological analysis....of an organism with no capacity to communicate(as far as I know), or by setting it on fire see if it cries?

Extensive scientific testing.

[Lavan Tiri]

They do? How does one find out if trees have feelings? Physiological analysis....of an organism with no capacity to communicate(as far as I know), or by setting it on fire see if it cries?

Extensive scientific testing.

How do you test that?

[Solaray]

Extensive scientific testing.

How do you test that?

Hell if I know. I'm no biologist. I'd wager you'd look at the plants cells and whatnot.

[Arcturus Novus]

Seeing as we've bred the modern pig purely for its meat, I'm not about to stop eating pork because of a few cognitive ability tests.

[Mavorpen]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for woo the same as murder?

Er, no, plants do not have "feelings" and "thoughts" as you and I do. Plants simply react to stimuli and many of them release chemicals that "inform" other plants of what's happened. There are even bacteria that can do this.

[Arumdaum]

No. I doubt children taste as good.

[GraySoap]

As a Jew: yes. I can't do either apparently. But since I'm non-practicing, I suppose that means I can eat pigs and kill kids? Maybe that blood libel was onto something.

[Socialist Czechia]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for wool the same as murder?

They do? How does one find out if trees have feelings? Physiological analysis....of an organism with no capacity to communicate(as far as I know), or by setting it on fire see if it cries?

Try some university lectures.

Although plants are immobile and are generally not recognized as sentient organisms, it has recently been proposed that plants should not only be viewed as organisms capable of exhibiting a form of basic intelligence, but also that plants possess tissues which are responsible for coordinating these intelligent responses (Trewavas, 2005). Furthermore, not only are action potentials accepted to occur in plants, but also recent studies have indicated that a form of synapse is also present in plants (Baluška et al., 2004; Baluška et al., 2005). These plant synapses, which function in a similar manner to the synapses which occur between neurons in animals, involve the plant hormone auxin which is thought to function as a neurotransmitter-like molecule (Baluška et al., 2004; Baluška et al., 2005). Drawing upon these findings, a number of researchers have also argued that the root apex, and more specifically cells of the transition zone between dividing and elongating cells at the root apex, could be considered a ‘brain-like’ tissue, while the plant vascular system could be considered an analogue to the nerves found in animals (Baluška et al., 2004). In my presentation, I will discuss why plants may be considered intelligent organisms, discuss why action potentials and synapses are thought to be present in plants, and ultimately describe the “brain-like” tissues of plants and why it is thought by some researchers that this new field of ‘plant neurobiology’ provides for unique and alternative insight into how plants function.

[GraySoap]

At that point we may as well define software neural networks, which response to impulses and simulate synapses, as to viewed as intelligent organisms. For scientific purposes, it is not inaccurate.

[Baghanathria]

Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

Of course not, Mister Original Poster. Piggies are delicious, human children are not.

Jaggly-jiggly-daandy-doo, now that was an isteresting debate, who wants a beer, I'm paying.

[Greater Bosna (Ancient)]

Uh no.

[Hurdegaryp]

Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

Of course not, Mister Original Poster. Piggies are delicious, human children are not.

Jaggly-jiggly-daandy-doo, now that was an isteresting debate, who wants a beer, I'm paying.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you cannot know for sure that pigs are more delectable than human children until you test that hypothesis.

[Baghanathria]

Is killing pigs for food the same as murdering children?

Of course not, Mister Original Poster. Piggies are delicious, human children are not.

Jaggly-jiggly-daandy-doo, now that was an isteresting debate, who wants a beer, I'm paying.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you cannot know for sure that pigs are more delectable than human children until you test that hypothesis.

When I was a child, I tried to eat myself.

Further questions?

[Carbon based lifeforms]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you cannot know for sure that pigs are more delectable than human children until you test that hypothesis.

When I was a child, I tried to eat myself.

Further questions?

Did you succeed? What parts did you try? How can you be sure that the pain wasn't clouding your judgment?

[Baghanathria]

When I was a child, I tried to eat myself.

Further questions?

Did you succeed? What parts did you try? How can you be sure that the pain wasn't clouding your judgment?

I didn't taste good, as far as I can remember. And mom made me stop.

Stupid mom.

[Hurdegaryp]

When I was a child, I tried to eat myself.

Further questions?

Did you succeed? What parts did you try? How can you be sure that the pain wasn't clouding your judgment?

Also we need to know how the meat was prepared. Was it a wholesome meal with vegetables?

[Baghanathria]

Did you succeed? What parts did you try? How can you be sure that the pain wasn't clouding your judgment?

Also we need to know how the meat was prepared. Was it a wholesome meal with vegetables?

I hated vegetables back then, so I served myself with mayonnaise, ketchup, and some freedom fries.

[Zottistan]

First, no.

Second, even plants have feelings and thoughts too. What, is chopping a tree for woo the same as murder?

Plants don't have nervous systems or a brain.

[Carbon based lifeforms]

I hated vegetables back then, so I served myself with mayonnaise, ketchup, and some freedom fries.

So I just googled "freedom fries", and I need to inform you that no sane person is still using that term (if any ever did).

[Baghanathria]

I hated vegetables back then, so I served myself with mayonnaise, ketchup, and some freedom fries.

So I just googled "freedom fries", and I need to inform you that no sane person is still using that term (if any ever did).

I use this term just to trick people into that I'm a warmonger republican from 'Murica, which can't be farther from the truth.