Atheist thread

[Mavorpen]

Mine come from my own sense of right and wrong. No external morals apply to me.

Where did this sense of right and wrong come from?

Evolution.

[The Scientific States]

Are you saying that the only reason you don't kill and rape is because you're worried about divine retribution?

If so, by all means, continue believing in God. The rest of us non-morally-abhorrent people will be over here.

Where do your morals come from, if not a god?

What a silly question. My own ethics, and what I know is best for people. I always find it sad when people need a god to live moral, ethical lives.

[Crownariam]

Where did this sense of right and wrong come from?

Evolution.

How do morals come from evolution?

[Mavorpen]

Evolution.

How do morals come from evolution?

Morals are nothing more than distinctions between "right" and "wrong." Any social species will evolve at least some capacity for morality in order to be successful.

[Sun Wukong]

Evolution.

How do morals come from evolution?

Have you not noticed that the most successful creatures on the planet work cooperatively?

[Geilinor]

Evolution.

How do morals come from evolution?

Evolution is where our mental capacity comes from, and hence our capacity to have morals.

[The Scientific States]

Evolution.

How do morals come from evolution?

Evolution is where we get just about anything, so it also gave us intellect and sentience, which we can use to determine right from wrong.

[Big Jim P]

Evolution.

How do morals come from evolution?

An organism that that does not harm others of it's kind is more likely to have offspring, and over time, those offspring will come to dominate the population.

[Crownariam]

I have seen some very good points and I suppose it doesn't make sense for me to be a theist.

[The Scientific States]

I have seen some very good points and I suppose it doesn't make sense for me to be a theist.

It's not that it doesn't make sense for you to be a theist, it's just that both atheists and theists alike have morals.

[Sun Wukong]

I have seen some very good points and I suppose it doesn't make sense for me to be a theist.

Life doesn't have to be about making sense. It's generally a good idea, though.

Anyway, you don't have to decide these things overnight. Think it over.

[Crownariam]

I have seen some very good points and I suppose it doesn't make sense for me to be a theist.

Especially since I was trying to argue from a perspective I don't agree with.

[Czechanada]

Methods of social control.

Why would one want to control another?

Stability, safety, security, there are plenty of reasons.

[Sociobiology]

Evolution.

How do morals come from evolution?

it starts as kin selection, I help those related to me by say sharing food, or taking turns looking for predators, but of course if this is very successful it will spread each generation until the whole population has those same genes and everybody is looking out for everybody else.
then you get into more complex things like developing memory and reciprocity to dissuade cheater, or developing cheaters take help but do not offer it.


there is a great book on the subject called The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins devotes half the book to it, The Science of Good and Evil by Micheal Shermer is devoted to the complexity of our morals and where that comes from, although there is a chapter about the origin of morals.

[Molsonian Republics]

How is saying "God bless America" infantile?

In giant capital letters. On the "Atheist thread."

Infantile is going easy on you. If the mods read that, they'd probably call it something else.

Wanting God to bless America and stating that view is not trolling. You're not immune from religion no matter what you believe in or don't believe in.

[Vulkanas]

You should rename this thread "Sweden".

[Washington Resistance Army]

Speaking of god bless America and whatnot, we should really scrap In God We Trust and go back to E Pluribus Unum. At least that wouldn't be practically violating the first amendment.

[Crysuko]

Speaking of god bless America and whatnot, we should really scrap In God We Trust and go back to E Pluribus Unum. At least that wouldn't be practically violating the first amendment.

despite being a foreigner, that's probably a good idea. might help relations with more secular countries.

[The Amyclae]

Speaking of god bless America and whatnot, we should really scrap In God We Trust and go back to E Pluribus Unum. At least that wouldn't be practically violating the first amendment.

I don't think you understand that. It's hard to argue that there's an (excessive) entanglement of church and state merely because state officials enunciate 'God.' Greece is a good and extremely recent case explaining it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Speaking of god bless America and whatnot, we should really scrap In God We Trust and go back to E Pluribus Unum. At least that wouldn't be practically violating the first amendment.

I don't think you understand that. It's hard to argue that there's an (excessive) entanglement of church and state merely because state officials enunciate 'God.' Greece is a good and extremely recent case explaining it.

I do understand it, there's a difference between state officials enunciating their beliefs in a deity and changing the motto of the nation to "In God We Trust", that's pretty non-secular. It also shut's out all the polytheistic religions because they have more than one deity, and given the overwhelming majority of Christianity in the US it doesn't take a genius to figure out which monotheistic god it's promoting.

[Frisbeeteria]

Wanting God to bless America and stating that view is not trolling.

Yeah, it is, when you post in unrelated threads like this one and the Buddhist thread. Following a continuing failure to learn on your part,

*** Three Day Forumban for Trolling ***

[The Scientific States]

In giant capital letters. On the "Atheist thread."

Infantile is going easy on you. If the mods read that, they'd probably call it something else.

Wanting God to bless America and stating that view is not trolling. You're not immune from religion no matter what you believe in or don't believe in.

It's not trolling, it's just very provocative and childish.

[Crysuko]

Wanting God to bless America and stating that view is not trolling. You're not immune from religion no matter what you believe in or don't believe in.

It's not trolling, it's just very provocative and childish.

which is trolling

[Othelos]

Wanting God to bless America and stating that view is not trolling. You're not immune from religion no matter what you believe in or don't believe in.

It's not trolling, it's just very provocative and childish.

If your views can't win in a debate, just scream them as loudly as possible.

[Crownariam]

You should rename this thread "Sweden".

Sweden?