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Postby Emmerian Republic » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:44 pm

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Emmerian Republic wrote:O.S. ASM 135 wasn't deployed by the US military because Reagan cancelled it plus SM-3s are use only for anti ballistic missiles capabilities. They used it once or twice, no missiles can't withstand the depths of,out space and MGE, May I use your Diamond Harbor Imperial Aleutian islands for repairs.

The ASM-135 can. SM-3s as anti-satellite missiles are rather common. Plus, I really don't see the problem with the ASM-135, we already have more F-22s than that were ever built...

ASM-135s weren't deployed into operational use, so Reagan cancels the production plus, satellites move cautiously around the planet, but since nation states is endless, you can't just say you have the potentials of shooting down a satellite, it doesn't work that way. Missiles aren't capable of withstanding the outer space ridge because in space its nothing but emptiness, so either way your missiles wont hit and cant reach the satellites orbit.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:50 pm

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Organized States wrote:The ASM-135 can. SM-3s as anti-satellite missiles are rather common. Plus, I really don't see the problem with the ASM-135, we already have more F-22s than that were ever built...

ASM-135s weren't deployed into operational use, so Reagan cancels the production plus, satellites move cautiously around the planet, but since nation states is endless, you can't just say you have the potentials of shooting down a satellite, it doesn't work that way. Missiles aren't capable of withstanding the outer space ridge because in space its nothing but emptiness, so either way your missiles wont hit and cant reach the satellites orbit.

Look up USS Lake Erie and USA-193. Satellites are often destroyed in missile tests. You haven't a clue about what you are talking about.
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:55 pm

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Emmerian Republic wrote:ASM-135s weren't deployed into operational use, so Reagan cancels the production plus, satellites move cautiously around the planet, but since nation states is endless, you can't just say you have the potentials of shooting down a satellite, it doesn't work that way. Missiles aren't capable of withstanding the outer space ridge because in space its nothing but emptiness, so either way your missiles wont hit and cant reach the satellites orbit.

Look up USS Lake Erie and USA-193. Satellites are often destroyed in missile tests. You haven't a clue about what you are talking about.

there were only a few test, besides, you don't have the potentials of make a ASM. ASM have a 20% chance of succeeding, out of all the other test, only a one would make it but not all of them.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:58 pm

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Organized States wrote:Look up USS Lake Erie and USA-193. Satellites are often destroyed in missile tests. You haven't a clue about what you are talking about.

there were only a few test, besides, you don't have the potentials of make a ASM. ASM have a 20% chance of succeeding, out of all the other test, only a one would make it but not all of them.

China made one in a year. Now, stop deciding what I can and can't have and move on. That's OP's job.
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:02 pm

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Emmerian Republic wrote:there were only a few test, besides, you don't have the potentials of make a ASM. ASM have a 20% chance of succeeding, out of all the other test, only a one would make it but not all of them.

China made one in a year. Now, stop deciding what I can and can't have and move on. That's OP's job.

ASM 135s cant fit on a F-22, they don't even fit inside their weapons bay, plus, its only launch platform. PLUS it only fits on a F-15 Eagle, which means that you're pilots have a 15% chance of Survival rate
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Postby Organized States » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:05 pm

All weapons made for the F-15 had to be able to fit EXTERNALLY on the F-22, that was one of the program requirements. Plus, I mentioned that the F-22O, my sat killer version, was MODIFIED, to carry ASATs.
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:24 pm

Organized States wrote:All weapons made for the F-15 had to be able to fit EXTERNALLY on the F-22, that was one of the program requirements. Plus, I mentioned that the F-22O, my sat killer version, was MODIFIED, to carry ASATs.

No,no, its doesn't work like that, no aircrafts has the potentials of firing a missile in the mesosphere, and F-22s aren't design for missile like the ASM 135, the F-22 is a air superiority fighter, so its main role would be in the comfortable atmosphere to be operation. Plus it takes up billions to make one off those, the missile would be flying straight only, no heat guidance, besides, satellites are moving around the orbit on their own. so either way, despite bieing modified, you're aircrafts will stall before they can fire their missiles.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:29 pm

Emmerian Republic wrote:
Organized States wrote:All weapons made for the F-15 had to be able to fit EXTERNALLY on the F-22, that was one of the program requirements. Plus, I mentioned that the F-22O, my sat killer version, was MODIFIED, to carry ASATs.

No,no, its doesn't work like that, no aircrafts has the potentials of firing a missile in the mesosphere, and F-22s aren't design for missile like the ASM 135, the F-22 is a air superiority fighter, so its main role would be in the comfortable atmosphere to be operation. Plus it takes up billions to make one off those, the missile would be flying straight only, no heat guidance, besides, satellites are moving around the orbit on their own. so either way, despite bieing modified, you're aircrafts will stall before they can fire their missiles.

F-15 is an Air Superiority fighter. The F-119 produces more thrust than 2 F-15s... You don't know what you are talking about... Billions is an overstatement. I have a power house economy.
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Postby Vancon » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:35 pm

I would've posted a bit more but what I wrote got deleted and I'm to annoyed to rewrite it. Also, solid fuel and liquid fuel missiles can be fired from wherever. With Satellite navigation, you could easily take down something that was in orbit.
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:55 pm

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Emmerian Republic wrote:No,no, its doesn't work like that, no aircrafts has the potentials of firing a missile in the mesosphere, and F-22s aren't design for missile like the ASM 135, the F-22 is a air superiority fighter, so its main role would be in the comfortable atmosphere to be operation. Plus it takes up billions to make one off those, the missile would be flying straight only, no heat guidance, besides, satellites are moving around the orbit on their own. so either way, despite bieing modified, you're aircrafts will stall before they can fire their missiles.

F-15 is an Air Superiority fighter. The F-119 produces more thrust than 2 F-15s... You don't know what you are talking about... Billions is an overstatement. I have a power house economy.

What I'm talking about is that missiles don't have the potentials of reaching towards the satellites orbit. The F-22 has the potentials of reaching 65,000 ft in 19,812 km and the satellite is at 35,900 km which means that the missile would stop in flight after launching.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:20 pm

Emmerian Republic wrote:
Organized States wrote:F-15 is an Air Superiority fighter. The F-119 produces more thrust than 2 F-15s... You don't know what you are talking about... Billions is an overstatement. I have a power house economy.

What I'm talking about is that missiles don't have the potentials of reaching towards the satellites orbit. The F-22 has the potentials of reaching 65,000 ft in 19,812 km and the satellite is at 35,900 km which means that the missile would stop in flight after launching.

It's not heatguided, plus a multi-stage missile wouldn't just stop... That goes against every law of physics...
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:30 pm

Tough luck then, i'm ignoring that post about satellite being shot down.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:47 pm

Emmerian Republic wrote:Tough luck then, i'm ignoring that post about satellite being shot down.


Do your research, buddy boy, because you tend NOT to and every single time you are wrong.

And the F22 stalling? Are you nuts? The F22 is one of the fastest planes in service, being a plane that can even perform the Cobra. It can CLIMB, and you better bet your ignore cannon that it'll climb faster than you can say "Oops!". Sure, the missile would require either outer rigging or an elongated inner bay, but who cares? Well, you might, because you want your satellites.

Now, let's see about your ignoring of that? I'm assuming you know that the laws of Newtonian physics state that an object in motion stays in motion, right? I'm assuming you took middle school. In space, there is no friction (lies, but it's not even noticeable), so the only force acting on it is gravity. Well... The missile, even if it DID run out of fuel, would counteract that force because it's TOO FAST. So that's out of the question.

Also, have you thought of taking an English class? Because your grammar is atrocious, not to mention punctuation and spelling.
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Postby Organized States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:09 am

Emmerian Republic wrote:Tough luck then, i'm ignoring that post about satellite being shot down.

Satellites... I shot down 2.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:12 am

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Emmerian Republic wrote:Tough luck then, i'm ignoring that post about satellite being shot down.

Satellites... I shot down 2.


This argument has hereby been approved by FACTS.
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Postby Organized States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:14 am

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Organized States wrote:Satellites... I shot down 2.


This argument has hereby been approved by FACTS.

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Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
This argument has hereby been approved by FACTS.

I like FACTs, also known as,
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I noticed your sig says you have an RP pop of America, yet it is impossible because your nation has only 167 million or so. Please edit that. :P
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Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
Organized States wrote:I like FACTs, also known as,
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I noticed your sig says you have an RP pop of America, yet it is impossible because your nation has only 167 million or so. Please edit that. :P

But, But muh.... Ok...
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:18 am

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Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
I noticed your sig says you have an RP pop of America, yet it is impossible because your nation has only 167 million or so. Please edit that. :P

But, But muh.... Ok...


Just put:

NS RP Pop(when I get there will be): Locked at 317 million
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:24 am

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Emmerian Republic wrote:Tough luck then, i'm ignoring that post about satellite being shot down.


Do your research, buddy boy, because you tend NOT to and every single time you are wrong.

And the F22 stalling? Are you nuts? The F22 is one of the fastest planes in service, being a plane that can even perform the Cobra. It can CLIMB, and you better bet your ignore cannon that it'll climb faster than you can say "Oops!". Sure, the missile would require either outer rigging or an elongated inner bay, but who cares? Well, you might, because you want your satellites.

Now, let's see about your ignoring of that? I'm assuming you know that the laws of Newtonian physics state that an object in motion stays in motion, right? I'm assuming you took middle school. In space, there is no friction (lies, but it's not even noticeable), so the only force acting on it is gravity. Well... The missile, even if it DID run out of fuel, would counteract that force because it's TOO FAST. So that's out of the question.

I've looked over this so many times and the missile isn't deployed by the us military because the air force doesn't support it so why should i, there were only a few tests and the program was cancelled, and i don't take interest in those programs, just the today ones. and the fastest aircraft is acutally the F-15 Eagle. so that would mean the F-22 is the second fastest aircraft. plus the F-22 would stall of it reaches towards it limit service ceiling

And the missile would be pushed back because of earth's gravity despite having the fuel and depending on the satellites range, so either way im ignoring that satellite shot down post.
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Postby Organized States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:32 am

Emmerian Republic wrote:
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Do your research, buddy boy, because you tend NOT to and every single time you are wrong.

And the F22 stalling? Are you nuts? The F22 is one of the fastest planes in service, being a plane that can even perform the Cobra. It can CLIMB, and you better bet your ignore cannon that it'll climb faster than you can say "Oops!". Sure, the missile would require either outer rigging or an elongated inner bay, but who cares? Well, you might, because you want your satellites.

Now, let's see about your ignoring of that? I'm assuming you know that the laws of Newtonian physics state that an object in motion stays in motion, right? I'm assuming you took middle school. In space, there is no friction (lies, but it's not even noticeable), so the only force acting on it is gravity. Well... The missile, even if it DID run out of fuel, would counteract that force because it's TOO FAST. So that's out of the question.

I've looked over this so many times and the missile isn't deployed by the us military because the air force doesn't support it so why should i, there were only a few tests and the program was cancelled, and i don't take interest in those programs, just the today ones. and the fastest aircraft is acutally the F-15 Eagle. so that would mean the F-22 is the second fastest aircraft. plus the F-22 would stall of it reaches towards it limit service ceiling

And the missile would be pushed back because of earth's gravity despite having the fuel and depending on the satellites range, so either way im ignoring that satellite shot down post.

No, no, no, no, no... DEN is completely right in ever way. The zoom climb of the F-22 is superior to that of the F-15. Plus, the ASM-135 was simply canceled due to the lack of money for development cost and the US was undergoing the end of the Cold War and the Air Force budget was quickly dropping after SALT II. Your modern programs argument is absolutely ridiculous, and makes no sense at all. The fastest aircraft is actually the YF-12/A-12 Oxcart, not the F-15. The F-22 is still second, and the F-15 is somewhere around 4th or 5th and is behind the MiG-31...
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:34 am

Fastest Jet? SR71 Blackbird at Mach 3.2. Fastest plane? X-14 (or 15-16) at Mach 6. Do research.

Oh, yeah, f-15 is faster, but by no means better. Please, stop spewing nonsensical incorrect facts. The F22 has pulled massive climbs. Yes, it has. My friend is an Air Force pilot.

The missile has been tested, and has succeeded, so you can ignore it if you wish, but it still happened. By your flawed logic, the moon landing never happened because the rocket never made it past gravity.

Yes, the freaking rocket can escape the gravity.

Now, please, check your sources, check the facts, learn physics and English, and come back and talk to me after you have.
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:37 am

Organized States wrote:
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I've looked over this so many times and the missile isn't deployed by the us military because the air force doesn't support it so why should i, there were only a few tests and the program was cancelled, and i don't take interest in those programs, just the today ones. and the fastest aircraft is acutally the F-15 Eagle. so that would mean the F-22 is the second fastest aircraft. plus the F-22 would stall of it reaches towards it limit service ceiling

And the missile would be pushed back because of earth's gravity despite having the fuel and depending on the satellites range, so either way im ignoring that satellite shot down post.

No, no, no, no, no... DEN is completely right in ever way. The zoom climb of the F-22 is superior to that of the F-15. Plus, the ASM-135 was simply canceled due to the lack of money for development cost and the US was undergoing the end of the Cold War and the Air Force budget was quickly dropping after SALT II. Your modern programs argument is absolutely ridiculous, and makes no sense at all. The fastest aircraft is actually the YF-12/A-12 Oxcart, not the F-15. The F-22 is still second, and the F-15 is somewhere around 4th or 5th and is behind the MiG-31...


It says MT in the rules and obviously, none of the ASM 135s aren't used today.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:38 am

Emmerian Republic wrote:
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No, no, no, no, no... DEN is completely right in ever way. The zoom climb of the F-22 is superior to that of the F-15. Plus, the ASM-135 was simply canceled due to the lack of money for development cost and the US was undergoing the end of the Cold War and the Air Force budget was quickly dropping after SALT II. Your modern programs argument is absolutely ridiculous, and makes no sense at all. The fastest aircraft is actually the YF-12/A-12 Oxcart, not the F-15. The F-22 is still second, and the F-15 is somewhere around 4th or 5th and is behind the MiG-31...


It says MT in the rules and obviously, none of the ASM 135s aren't used today.


It says MT.

Oh looky here, when were the ASM 135's developed?

1970s...


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Postby Organized States » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:41 am

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:Fastest Jet? SR71 Blackbird at Mach 3.2. Fastest plane? X-14 (or 15-16) at Mach 6. Do research.

Oh, yeah, f-15 is faster, but by no means better. Please, stop spewing nonsensical incorrect facts. The F22 has pulled massive climbs. Yes, it has. My friend is an Air Force pilot.


I still think that the YF-12 is cooler than the SR-71, that nose cone is awesome...
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