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by The 54th Squadron » Tue May 27, 2014 9:16 pm
by Persivis » Tue May 27, 2014 9:18 pm
Shilya wrote:Persivis wrote:That doesn't make it okay, though, now does it. All irrational hatred and stereotyping should end, as far off into the future that is.
Genocidal dictators will just grow to hate whatever is the largest or most convenient minority for them to convince people to hate, that I agree with you on.
It won't go away easily. It's part of what we are, for better or worse. It's not even necessarily a bad thing, because it has its root in our herd sense, so to speak - tribal instincts, defending our group against outside threats. Building a sense of community, of belonging together with your kind. That's a good thing, but it can be abused to exclude and persecute those that are not directly part of your community.
It doesn't only show itself on the grand scale. Sports fans, console wars, political parties and ideologies, same mechanism every time. Us against Them, group competition. Would it be nice if people could keep their sense of community without excluding irrationally? Sure, but that's unfortunatly just not how we are, we are emotional and irrational, we build ourselves idendities, seek out those with similar idendities and not those with different ones. Amplify one of those idendities with propaganda and you've got a recipy for disaster.
by Othelos » Tue May 27, 2014 9:25 pm
Saiwania wrote:Othelos wrote:I don't think anti-Semitism is on the rise in Western Europe. Then again, I haven't been there since last summer.
If people from Islamic countries are immigrating to western Europe, it makes sense that antisemitic belief is being imported. Jews being generally not welcome in said Muslim majority countries. The Jews that do remain, are more often than not reduced to a Dhimmi status.
by Othelos » Tue May 27, 2014 9:26 pm
Natanian DRNR wrote:As a Jew, this makes me feel uncomfortable. I did not think almost 1/4 of the world did not like me!
by Shilya » Tue May 27, 2014 9:29 pm
Persivis wrote:This fatalistic attitude is ridiculous however. Hatred towards minorities can be eliminated, as even the most rabid and ridiculous fan or "consoler" would not support a genocide against the other team. Hatred towards political, religious, and ethnic minorities is the problem...because too many societies and cultures have said that it is not only okay for someone to fell that way, but they should act upon it.
The majority of the world, as you can see, do not irrationally hate Jews. The appeal to nature stops working when you realize you cannot classify all humans as emotional and irrational wrecks, there is no evidence to support that. What can be supported, is that genocidal regimes are to more successfully exploit ignorant stereotypes and assert and appeal to authority then they are in eliminating it. There a lot of things you can make people do voluntarily, it does not mean it is some inherent natural mechanism.
by The Liberated Territories » Tue May 27, 2014 9:36 pm
by Persivis » Tue May 27, 2014 9:38 pm
Shilya wrote:Apparently you've never met hooligans. That said, that's because sports is still understood to be competition, at the most basic level, and even when they do get violent, it's to prove themselves better, in a crazy way.
Shilya wrote:I didn't say they're wrecks. I said humans are emotional and irrational. That's not really up to debate.
Shilya wrote:Neither is the potential for abuse. An emotional person can be made angry, a good part of the media lives off that. An irrational persons actions can be directed, casinos make a killing with that.
Shilya wrote:I'm not saying genocide is an inherent mechanism. I'm saying group dynamics are, and they can be abused. Nature never accounted for Goebbels.
by Senyosu » Tue May 27, 2014 9:40 pm
by Regnum Dominae » Tue May 27, 2014 9:43 pm
by Shilya » Tue May 27, 2014 9:50 pm
by Dagnia » Tue May 27, 2014 9:58 pm
Rephesus wrote:I'm almost shocked that Iran had the lowest percentage in the ME/NAfrica Category.
by Libertarian California » Tue May 27, 2014 11:52 pm
by Pagan Hungary » Wed May 28, 2014 2:29 am
by Risottia » Wed May 28, 2014 2:29 am
Atlanticatia wrote:A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.
A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.
by Nazi Flower Power » Wed May 28, 2014 2:53 am
Atlanticatia wrote:A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.
A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.
http://global100.adl.org/
Honestly, as a Jew, this is scary. Also, with the rise of antisemitic parties in the EU, it is even scarier.
The fact that age-old stereotypes about Jewish power, loyalty, influence in business etc are still alive and well, and growing is just insane.
On the bright side, it was good to see that the majority are not anti semitic.
I am thoroughly confused about the rise of antisemitism in W. Europe - I expect it in the Arab world, but not in Europe.. are people going to lash out at Jews again due to economic problems? 69% are antisemitic in Greece!
What are your thoughts on this? Why is antisemitism on the rise in Western Europe? Do you think it truly is on the rise?
by Nazi Flower Power » Wed May 28, 2014 2:58 am
Risottia wrote:Atlanticatia wrote:A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.
A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.
That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.
by Nazi Flower Power » Wed May 28, 2014 3:14 am
Regnum Dominae wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Before we jump to the conclusion that anti-antisemitism is on the rise, I think we need to examine what the group that made the survey consider antisemitic. There are lots of groups that say that being unfavorable to Israel is anti-antisemitism.
The respondents are presented with these eleven statements:
Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/to the countries they live in]
Jews have too much power in the business world
Jews have too much power in international financial markets
Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust
Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind
Jews have too much control over global affairs
Jews have too much control over the United States government
Jews think they are better than other people
Jews have too much control over the global media
Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars
People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave
Those who respond "probably true" (the possible responses are "probably true" and "probably false") to at least 6 of the 11 are considered "anti-semitic" for the purposes of the survey.
by Socialist Tera » Wed May 28, 2014 3:16 am
by Allet Klar Chefs » Wed May 28, 2014 3:19 am
Risottia wrote:That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.
by Baltenstein » Wed May 28, 2014 3:28 am
Risottia wrote:Atlanticatia wrote:A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.
A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.
That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.
by Risottia » Wed May 28, 2014 3:47 am
Allet Klar Chefs wrote:Risottia wrote:That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.
What is it about the European Left that makes it so shitty about this issue?
"Uh well I don't think Arabs can be antisemitic, because actually if you look at it uh you see they are semites so really aha gotcha"
Baltenstein wrote:The term "Antisemitism" was coined in the 19th century and was always exclusively referring to Jews.
by Allet Klar Chefs » Wed May 28, 2014 4:11 am
Risottia wrote:The use of "antisemitism" to refer to hostility to Jews (or Israel) is nowadays a form of weaseling.
by Risottia » Wed May 28, 2014 4:16 am
The only people who talk about antisemitism in terms of anti-Arab sentiment are tedious lefties ...
Antisemitism is not the term that has been used to discuss anti-Arab sentiment in the past, and I don't think there's a groundswell of opinion to make it mean that. Most attempts to do so come off as, you guessed it, antisemitic.
well perhaps the proper thing to do is to call all these instances human rights abuses, because I'm sure we can all get behind humans as a notion.
by Benuty » Wed May 28, 2014 4:23 am
by Benuty » Wed May 28, 2014 4:25 am
Risottia wrote:Atlanticatia wrote:A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.
A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.
That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.
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