by Nesixar » Sun May 18, 2014 3:05 pm
by Western European Republic » Sun May 18, 2014 3:09 pm
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by MERIZoC » Sun May 18, 2014 3:10 pm
by Rio Cana » Sun May 18, 2014 3:16 pm
by Western European Republic » Sun May 18, 2014 3:18 pm
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by Ivania » Sun May 18, 2014 3:18 pm
Timna wrote:I'm pretty sure it was Sun-Tzu who said "if you underestimate your enemy, he can make you look like a huge cunt in front of all your mates".
by Risottia » Sun May 18, 2014 3:18 pm
by Utceforp » Sun May 18, 2014 3:23 pm
Merizoc wrote:I'm gonna go with Han, considering all the cultural and scientific achievements that came out of it, including paper. After that, the Qin dynasty, for the system of taxation and weights and measures they established.
by Nesixar » Sun May 18, 2014 3:24 pm
Western European Republic wrote:The Shang were a fictional dynasty. The Zhou were first.
by Nesixar » Sun May 18, 2014 3:27 pm
by Nesixar » Sun May 18, 2014 3:30 pm
Rio Cana wrote:You forgot the Shang Dynasty which was first. 1556 BC to 1046 BC
by Britannic Realms » Sun May 18, 2014 3:41 pm
by Napkiraly » Sun May 18, 2014 3:46 pm
Britannic Realms wrote:The one that lost the Opium Wars and gave us Hong Kong.
by Rio Cana » Sun May 18, 2014 4:00 pm
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sun May 18, 2014 4:04 pm
by Rio Cana » Sun May 18, 2014 4:06 pm
by Rio Cana » Sun May 18, 2014 4:19 pm
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:The problem with dynasties like the Shang and Xia is that we're not really sure if they were 'dynasties.' Most likely they were similar to Egypt's "dynasty zero" rulers, more akin to tribal chiefs who had gained a bit of power than to anything like the later notion of 'emperors.' We just tend to get this idea of China being a unified country with a distinct cultural identity back in the 4th millennium BC because the Chinese have been telling themselves that story for so long that it upsets them when somebody comes along and shows them different.
I've personally always been fond of the Ming. Big ships, big guns, big emperors. They were sort of like China's college years. Full of big ideas, parties and hedonism. At least after their freshman year.
by Aggicificicerous » Sun May 18, 2014 4:26 pm
by Napkiraly » Sun May 18, 2014 4:30 pm
Rio Cana wrote:Napkiraly wrote:Qing then.
I'm rather fond of the Han and the one named after a fruit-flavoured beverage.
Song are also cool because they brought about gunpowder.
So you like the Qing Dynasty. You are in luck. On another site, I found someone who posted a youtube historical French film from circa 1908 taken during the Qing Dynasty. The Qing fell in 1911.
video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZRhDmUn3m4
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sun May 18, 2014 4:31 pm
Rio Cana wrote:OMGeverynameistaken wrote:The problem with dynasties like the Shang and Xia is that we're not really sure if they were 'dynasties.' Most likely they were similar to Egypt's "dynasty zero" rulers, more akin to tribal chiefs who had gained a bit of power than to anything like the later notion of 'emperors.' We just tend to get this idea of China being a unified country with a distinct cultural identity back in the 4th millennium BC because the Chinese have been telling themselves that story for so long that it upsets them when somebody comes along and shows them different.
I've personally always been fond of the Ming. Big ships, big guns, big emperors. They were sort of like China's college years. Full of big ideas, parties and hedonism. At least after their freshman year.
The first Ming Emperor was despotic. And some that came later were no different. They also spent money like there was no tomorrow. Overtime, the Ming dynasty got caught with there pants down while everything fell apart. Yes, there was silver flowing into China from international global trade. This is considered the first real modern globalization.
Mismanagement of the government, economy, factionalism in the government combined with unpopular methods to try to correct things which led to revolts all weakened the Ming. It also opened the door for the Manchus who invaded and started the Qing dynasty.
by Nesixar » Sun May 18, 2014 4:35 pm
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:The problem with dynasties like the Shang and Xia is that we're not really sure if they were 'dynasties.' Most likely they were similar to Egypt's "dynasty zero" rulers, more akin to tribal chiefs who had gained a bit of power than to anything like the later notion of 'emperors.' We just tend to get this idea of China being a unified country with a distinct cultural identity back in the 4th millennium BC because the Chinese have been telling themselves that story for so long that it upsets them when somebody comes along and shows them different.
I've personally always been fond of the Ming. Big ships, big guns, big emperors. They were sort of like China's college years. Full of big ideas, parties and hedonism. At least after their freshman year.
by Nesixar » Sun May 18, 2014 4:42 pm
Aggicificicerous wrote:Clearly the Han dynasty for all of us who love nostalgia. The first 'true' Chinese dynasty - it had the stability and longevity that previous dynasties lacked. I'm sceptical that the Zhou can even be considered a single dynasty as it was so fractured. The Han dynasty established China culturally and intellectually and administratively, laying the foundations for future dynasties. In this way the Song dynasty was also great as it built on this, and especially the Yuan dynasty, where the greatest Chinese literary traditions really took off.
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