Emily Letts abortion video

[Mavorpen]

Quite a lot. From the circulation system alone, birth physiologically changes the organism substantially.

Right. And how exactly does this affect the fetus/infant's right to life?

What ever gave you the implication that I was making a comment on that? You seemed confused on what basis an infant is distinguished from a fetus. I clarified it for you.

[Deadora]

Killing a child is never the way to go*. If you don't want it, give birth and put it up for adoption.

*Unless it's incest, rape, or the mothers life is in danger.

"Abortion is murder and it's wrong!

. . . Unless reasons x, y, z."

You can't be moderate on murder. People like you are what allowed it to be legalized in the first place. Sick.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Killing a child is never the way to go*. If you don't want it, give birth and put it up for adoption.

*Unless it's incest, rape, or the mothers life is in danger.

"Abortion is murder and it's wrong!

. . . Unless reasons x, y, z."

You can't be moderate on murder. People like you are what allowed it to be legalized in the first place. Sick.

Gotta be consistent with your hatred of women, amirite?

[Deadora]

"Abortion is murder and it's wrong!

. . . Unless reasons x, y, z."

You can't be moderate on murder. People like you are what allowed it to be legalized in the first place. Sick.

Gotta be consistent with your hatred of women, amirite?

People who murder deserve to be hated.

[Pilotto]

"Abortion is murder and it's wrong!

. . . Unless reasons x, y, z."

You can't be moderate on murder. People like you are what allowed it to be legalized in the first place. Sick.

Gotta be consistent with your hatred of women, amirite?

Oh yes. How did you know? Protecting the defenseless? That's not what we care about at all! No, we oppose abortion because we hate women!
I can't believe it took you so long to catch on.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Gotta be consistent with your hatred of women, amirite?

Oh yes. How did you know? Protecting the defenseless? That's not what we care about at all! No, we oppose abortion because we hate women!
I can't believe it took you so long to catch on.

I dunno, it has to take some sort of hatred of women to believe that they, unlike men, can and should be told what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Also, I like "protecting the defenseless". That's a quality bit of bullshit, it makes oppressing women sound so much fairer.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Gotta be consistent with your hatred of women, amirite?

People who murder deserve to be hated.

It's not murder if it's legal and not all women have abortions, but you seem to harbor a hatred for all of them. This seems unfair to me.

[Czervenika]

I thought it was excellent actually. It serves to show other women that abortion doesn't has to be scary. And before anybody brings it up, screw off men who want to tell me what I can and can't do with my womb.

[Pilotto]

Oh yes. How did you know? Protecting the defenseless? That's not what we care about at all! No, we oppose abortion because we hate women!
I can't believe it took you so long to catch on.

I dunno, it has to take some sort of hatred of women to believe that they, unlike men, can and should be told what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Also, I like "protecting the defenseless". That's a quality bit of bullshit, it makes oppressing women sound so much fairer.

I don't want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Just that the cannot murder their unborn children.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

I dunno, it has to take some sort of hatred of women to believe that they, unlike men, can and should be told what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Also, I like "protecting the defenseless". That's a quality bit of bullshit, it makes oppressing women sound so much fairer.

I don't want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Just that the cannot murder their unborn children.

Nope. You want to tell women that they must consent to pregnancy each and every time they have sex. You want to tell women that they ought to have less choice in whether they are forced to bring to term, birth, and take care of a child than a man does. You cannot support abortion without carrying the implications that you think women should have and therefore deserve fewer rights than men.

Fetuses, "unborn children" as you call them so that they sound sweet and defenseless, a tool you use to sneak in the back door of people's minds to make them hate women just as much as you do, are not people, and do not and should not have rights. You do not have the right to use someone else's body, as fetuses do. It is therefore not out of the question to forcibly evict you.

[The Flood]

You're opinion will never be right, no matter how many times you say it, no matter what argument you make. Abortion will be murder until the stars burn out, and the universe grows cold.Well pro-choice offends me. Pro-murder, pro-slaughter, pro-death, are all much more accurate terms. The pro-choice stance fundamentally shows a lack of respect or concern for human life. I hate the term pro-choice, because it's sugarcoated, it by it's very nature tries to hide its true meaning, of killing innocent children for no justifiable reason.

You bet I hold the preservation of human life as the most fundamental value.

And practically nobody thinks abortion should be denied even if the woman and the baby will both die otherwise, only a minority of fanatics thinks that.

Your opinion will never be right, no matter how many times you say it, no matter what argument you make. Abortion is not murder.

Pro-choice Pro-life offends me. Pro-murder, pro-slaughter, pro-death, are all much more accurate terms. The pro-choice pro-life stance fundamentally shows a lack of respect or concern for human life. I hate the term pro-choice pro-life, because it's sugarcoated, it by it's very nature tries to hide its true meaning, of killing innocent children women (and violating their bodily sovereignty) for no justifiable reason.

Congratulations on modifying a post in such a way that literally makes no sense at all!

Here is your gold star.

[Pilotto]

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[Lamaredia]

I thought it was excellent actually. It serves to show other women that abortion doesn't has to be scary. And before anybody brings it up, screw off men who want to tell me what I can and can't do with my womb.

I'm sorry, this is not part of the thread.

However, how can you support Russia and LGBTQA rights? They're like antonyms.

[Pilotto]

I don't want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Just that the cannot murder their unborn children.

Nope. You want to tell women that they must consent to pregnancy each and every time they have sex.

I'm sorry, do the words "birth control" mean anything to you?

You want to tell women that they ought to have less choice in whether they are forced to bring to term, birth, and take care of a child than a man does. You cannot support abortion without carrying the implications that you think women should have and therefore deserve fewer rights than men.

Wrong. I think that the unborn should be afforded the same basic right to life that everyone else is.

Fetuses, "unborn children" as you call them so that they sound sweet and defenseless, a tool you use to sneak in the back door of people's minds to make them hate women just as much as you do, are not people, and do not and should not have rights. You do not have the right to use someone else's body, as fetuses do. It is therefore not out of the question to forcibly evict you.

Really? Did the fetus ask to be conceived? Does it remain in it's mother's body by choice? And what evidence do you have to suggest that fetus' do not have any rights? Does a newborn baby not have rights? If it is acceptable to murder a fetus moments before exiting the womb, what precisely is the difference between that and murdering it moments later?

[Lamaredia]

Nope. You want to tell women that they must consent to pregnancy each and every time they have sex.

I'm sorry, do the words "birth control" mean anything to you?

You want to tell women that they ought to have less choice in whether they are forced to bring to term, birth, and take care of a child than a man does. You cannot support abortion without carrying the implications that you think women should have and therefore deserve fewer rights than men.[/quotes]
Wrong. I think that the unborn should be afforded the same basic right to life that everyone else is.

Really? Did the fetus ask to be conceived? Does it remain in it's mother's body by choice? And what evidence do you have to suggest that fetus' do not have any rights? Does a newborn baby not have rights? If it is acceptable to murder a fetus moments before exiting the womb, what precisely is the difference between that and murdering it moments later?

I'm sorry, do the words "birth control is not fucking perfect" mean anything to you?

No, it doesn't remain in the mother's body by choice. However, that does not mean that it can be a parasite in her without her consent.

[The Flood]

Nuclear Fist put it best:

Regarding the banning of abortion. Here's the thing about banning abortion, it rarely stops abortions. In general, women will have abortions regardless of its legality.
Take Ceausescu's Romania, for example. In order to bolster population, Nicolae Ceausescu made abortion illegal under almost all circumstances with Decree 770. Contraceptives disappeared, hospitals were watched closely by the Securitate, and women found to be pregnant were spied on by the Securitate until the birth was confirmed.
The idea of 'pro-choice' and 'pro-life' is hogwash. What it boils down to is whether you want only the rich to be able to have them performed in sterile, clean environments where they are likely to survive or every woman being afford to have them performed in sterile, clean environments where they are likely to survive. The garb of the 'pro-life' moral crusader, when cast aside, leaves only naked hatred of female bodily autonomy and a bizarre, repugnant worship of fetuses.

To say that the pro-life hate women is offensive and factually incorrect.

[Lamaredia]

Nuclear Fist put it best:

To say that the pro-life hate women is offensive and factually incorrect.

Considering that most pro-life politicians are for reducing women rights, I am pretty sure that pro-life people hate women.

[Shaggai]

Nuclear Fist put it best:

To say that the pro-life hate women is offensive and factually incorrect.

Do you support mandatory blood, bone marrow, and kidney donations for all adults? Because if you truly value life over bodily sovereignty, it's the only moral choice. If you don't support it, then you only support bodily sovereignty for people without uteruses. I think that "denying women rights that you allow men" does, in fact, fall under the heading of either "hates women" or "doesn't understand the issue".

[Liriena]

Nope. You want to tell women that they must consent to pregnancy each and every time they have sex.

I'm sorry, do the words "birth control" mean anything to you?

Birth control fails... and even then, no law says that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, so you can take that bullshit argument elsewhere.

You want to tell women that they ought to have less choice in whether they are forced to bring to term, birth, and take care of a child than a man does. You cannot support abortion without carrying the implications that you think women should have and therefore deserve fewer rights than men.

Wrong. I think that the unborn should be afforded the same basic right to life that everyone else is.

No, you think that fetuses should have the right to live off somebody else's body, endangering their physical and mental health, without the host's consent.

I'm sorry, but being a potentially lethal parasite is not a human right.

Fetuses, "unborn children" as you call them so that they sound sweet and defenseless, a tool you use to sneak in the back door of people's minds to make them hate women just as much as you do, are not people, and do not and should not have rights. You do not have the right to use someone else's body, as fetuses do. It is therefore not out of the question to forcibly evict you.

Really? Did the fetus ask to be conceived?

Given that the fetus is not sapient, the only ones who could possibly consent to anything in its place, if it were a person, would be its legal guardians.

Does it remain in it's mother's body by choice?

Doesn't matter if it's not purposefully endangering its host's body. Lack of awareness doesn't entitle you to infringe upon somebody else's human rights, including physical integrity.

And what evidence do you have to suggest that fetus' do not have any rights?

Several nations' laws not recognizing them as people, thus not entitling them to any human rights, for one.

Does a newborn baby not have rights?

Yes, because it has already been born and can be considered a person.

If it is acceptable to murder a fetus moments before exiting the womb, what precisely is the difference between that and murdering it moments later?

Birth.

[Liriena]

Your opinion will never be right, no matter how many times you say it, no matter what argument you make. Abortion is not murder.

Pro-choice Pro-life offends me. Pro-murder, pro-slaughter, pro-death, are all much more accurate terms. The pro-choice pro-life stance fundamentally shows a lack of respect or concern for human life. I hate the term pro-choice pro-life, because it's sugarcoated, it by it's very nature tries to hide its true meaning, of killing innocent children women (and violating their bodily sovereignty) for no justifiable reason.

Congratulations on modifying a post in such a way that literally makes no sense at all!

Here is your gold star.

You know, I'm waiting for you to acknowledge my response.

[Liriena]

To say that the pro-life hate women is offensive and factually incorrect.

Offensive? Good.
Factually incorrect? I take it you can substantiate that claim. Perhaps by showing that you hold all human beings to the same standards, when it comes to parasitic creatures with human DNA needing a human host to survive, regardless of the host's consent.

[Kelinfort]

Nuclear Fist put it best:

To say that the pro-life hate women is offensive and factually incorrect.

The second part I don't necessarily agree with, but c'mon, the pro lifers make it seem as though that all and most abortions would disappear if it were illega. That simply isn't the case.

[Pilotto]

I'm sorry, do the words "birth control" mean anything to you?

Birth control fails... and even then, no law says that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, so you can take that bullshit argument elsewhere.

Wrong. I think that the unborn should be afforded the same basic right to life that everyone else is.

No, you think that fetuses should have the right to live off somebody else's body, endangering their physical and mental health, without the host's consent.

I'm sorry, but being a potentially lethal parasite is not a human right.

Really? Did the fetus ask to be conceived?

Given that the fetus is not sapient, the only ones who could possibly consent to anything in its place, if it were a person, would be its legal guardians.

Does it remain in it's mother's body by choice?

Doesn't matter if it's not purposefully endangering its host's body. Lack of awareness doesn't entitle you to infringe upon somebody else's human rights, including physical integrity.

And what evidence do you have to suggest that fetus' do not have any rights?

Several nations' laws not recognizing them as people, thus not entitling them to any human rights, for one.

Does a newborn baby not have rights?

Yes, because it has already been born and can be considered a person.

If it is acceptable to murder a fetus moments before exiting the womb, what precisely is the difference between that and murdering it moments later?

Birth.

Birth. How exactly does the act of birth bestow the right to life? Please, explain.

[Czervenika]

I thought it was excellent actually. It serves to show other women that abortion doesn't has to be scary. And before anybody brings it up, screw off men who want to tell me what I can and can't do with my womb.

I'm sorry, this is not part of the thread.

However, how can you support Russia and LGBTQA rights? They're like antonyms.

How can you support Ukraine when their factions are burning people alive and such?

[Pilotto]

I'm sorry, this is not part of the thread.

However, how can you support Russia and LGBTQA rights? They're like antonyms.

How can you support Ukraine when their factions are burning people alive and such?

Burning people alive...
Gotta source for that? One that's not RT?