LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Wolfmanne]

You're not Malta's businesses and tax payers.

How do you know that i am not paying tax to Malta? As EU member state citizen I have the same duties as the native Maltese, and also some busnisses in Malta depens on my salaries. Of course if I could remove my investitions and the maltese economy would go a little bit hard, but hey I understand if you dont understand that since many people like you think money from welfare (to immigrants) are faling from the sky.

If you can't spell 'business, 'investments', use apostrophes properly, or capitalise the 'm' in 'Maltese', I'm pretty sure that your minimum wage earning that you say you invest in Malta won't be missed.

[Dayaar Mongol]

Ah, the smell of progress in the morning evening.

[Divair2]

You're not Malta's businesses and tax payers.

How do you know that i am not paying tax to Malta? As EU member state citizen I have the same duties as the native Maltese, and also some busnisses in Malta depens on my salaries. Of course if I could remove my investitions and the maltese economy would go a little bit hard, but hey I understand if you dont understand that since many people like you think money from welfare (to immigrants) are faling from the sky.

You can't spell for shit and you're not from Malta. You're completely irrelevant and probably not older than 18.

[Scholmeria]

How do you know that i am not paying tax to Malta? As EU member state citizen I have the same duties as the native Maltese, and also some busnisses in Malta depens on my salaries. Of course if I could remove my investitions and the maltese economy would go a little bit hard, but hey I understand if you dont understand that since many people like you think money from welfare (to immigrants) are faling from the sky.

You can't spell for shit and you're not from Malta. You're completely irrelevant and probably not older than 18.

I am not from Malta, I am just a regulalry consumer in Malta which is important enough to qualfy to be a significant person there. Divair, without us tax payers there would never be money for the immigrants, gays whatsoever. Just learn that and try to respect every consumer and tax payer.

[Divair2]

You can't spell for shit and you're not from Malta. You're completely irrelevant and probably not older than 18.

I am not from Malta, I am just a regulalry consumer in Malta which is important enough to qualfy to be a significant person there. Divair, without us tax payers there would never be money for the immigrants, gays whatsoever. Just learn that and try to respect every consumer and tax payer.

There are hundreds of thousands of consumers in Malta. You're irrelevant, especially since you're not rich.

[Wolfmanne]

You can't spell for shit and you're not from Malta. You're completely irrelevant and probably not older than 18.

I am not from Malta, I am just a regulalry consumer in Malta which is important enough to qualfy to be a significant person there. Divair, without us tax payers there would never be money for the immigrants, gays whatsoever. Just learn that and try to respect every consumer and tax payer.

The lost of one tourist is irrelevant, especially when the amount of tourists as a whole visiting Malta is increasing.

[Sun Wukong]

You can't spell for shit and you're not from Malta. You're completely irrelevant and probably not older than 18.

I am not from Malta, I am just a regulalry consumer in Malta which is important enough to qualfy to be a significant person there. Divair, without us tax payers there would never be money for the immigrants, gays whatsoever. Just learn that and try to respect every consumer and tax payer.

I once bought a gyro in Greece. That means I should get a vote there, right?

[Scholmeria]

I am not from Malta, I am just a regulalry consumer in Malta which is important enough to qualfy to be a significant person there. Divair, without us tax payers there would never be money for the immigrants, gays whatsoever. Just learn that and try to respect every consumer and tax payer.

I once bought a gyro in Greece. That means I should get a vote there, right?

If you as a foreign citizen has some property or some other stuff there, they are obligated to pay taxes and some other para-fiscal levies. Unfortunately, the liberals/left-wingers who are living with their parents at home cannot imagine that. They living in some multi-kulti "social just" phantasy world. This is what I am tring to explain divair.

Especially if you consider that Malta is overpopulatetd and the real estates are very high. It does not mena you cannot vote but at least you desirve some respect from the autorities.

[Sun Wukong]

I once bought a gyro in Greece. That means I should get a vote there, right?

If you as a foreign citizen has some property or some other stuff there, they are obligated to pay taxes and some other para-fiscal levies. Unfortunately, the liberals/left-wingers who are living with their parents at home cannot imagine that. They living in some multi-kulti "social just" phantasy world. This is what I am tring to explain divair.

Especially if you consider that Malta is overpopulatetd and the real estates are very high. It does not mena you cannot vote but at least you desirve some respect from the autorities.

It's their country, not yours. Get citizenship if you want a say.

[Scholmeria]

If you as a foreign citizen has some property or some other stuff there, they are obligated to pay taxes and some other para-fiscal levies. Unfortunately, the liberals/left-wingers who are living with their parents at home cannot imagine that. They living in some multi-kulti "social just" phantasy world. This is what I am tring to explain divair.

Especially if you consider that Malta is overpopulatetd and the real estates are very high. It does not mena you cannot vote but at least you desirve some respect from the autorities.

It's their country, not yours. Get citizenship if you want a say.

Nope, eliminating the property or selling it for a higher prise is more efectivly.

[Scholmeria]

I am not from Malta, I am just a regulalry consumer in Malta which is important enough to qualfy to be a significant person there. Divair, without us tax payers there would never be money for the immigrants, gays whatsoever. Just learn that and try to respect every consumer and tax payer.

There are hundreds of thousands of consumers in Malta. You're irrelevant, especially since you're not rich.

Your ideology dont allow you to think clear.

[Divair2]

There are hundreds of thousands of consumers in Malta. You're irrelevant, especially since you're not rich.

Your ideology dont allow you to think clear.

What an amazing argument from someone who has an inflated ego. Now quit derailing the thread with your fantasies.

[Sun Wukong]

It's their country, not yours. Get citizenship if you want a say.

Nope, eliminating the property or selling it for a higher prise is more efectivly.

Um huh...

Buddy, if the person who wrote that sentence is a property owner in Malta, then I'm the Arch-Duke of Ljubljana.

[Othelos]

Well, Malta will not see even not 1€ anymore, I will never go there anymore.

Yeah, it's so wrong to for people to have civil rights.

[Gezi Park]

Congrats to this small but cute island.

[Armakistan]

Well, Malta will not see even not 1€ anymore, I will never go there anymore.

I don't think Malta wants your money anyway.

[Thafoo]

Well, Malta will not see even not 1€ anymore, I will never go there anymore.

I don't think Malta wants your money anyway.

Malta's too cool for that. I've always wanted to go there, anyway.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

I don't think Malta wants your money anyway.

Malta's too cool for that. I've always wanted to go there, anyway.

I don't think they have any tofu there, though.

[Geilinor]

I once bought a gyro in Greece. That means I should get a vote there, right?

If you as a foreign citizen has some property or some other stuff there, they are obligated to pay taxes and some other para-fiscal levies.

You own property in Malta? You expect us to believe that?

[Divair2]

If you as a foreign citizen has some property or some other stuff there, they are obligated to pay taxes and some other para-fiscal levies.

You own property in Malta? You expect us to believe that?

I own property in Monaco, clearly.

[Vorkova]

You own property in Malta? You expect us to believe that?

I own property in Monaco, clearly.

Are you Prince Albert II?

[Tiberian Destiny]

I found this:

I came to the conclusion that gay MARRIAGE can't exist if God is in fact opposed to it. If the definition of the sacrament of matrimony is that of a MAN and a WOMAN marrying, there is no way of two men or two women marrying. Sure, you can do all the same ceremonies and have the same laws, but it is not a MARRIAGE in the biblical sense - it is a certain legal status that we just happen to use the same word for. You can't force upon God to give a certain sacrament He doesn't want to give. If He has declared a definition of "marriage", then we could marry man and man, woman and woman, daisyflower and pinetree, it would still not be a "marriage", even if the same ceremonies are used and the same legal status granted.

So, there is no way to break God's laws by having two homosexuals "marry" - because it is not possible to do so. If they are not man and woman, it is not a marriage as defined by the Bible. Hence, in absence of any biblical laws stating that you can't re-enact for homosexuals the ceremonies our particular culture has developed for heterosexual marriage, there is nothing wrong with gay people undergoing these ceremonies, or having a legal status equal to that of a married man and woman.

The Bible does not ban societies from granting such equal status, nor does it ban people of any gender or sexual orientation to re-enact marriage ceremonies in any combination they like.
The Bible DOES, however, define a marriage as being between a man and a woman, so no matter what people of the same gender do, their status will not be "married" according to the criteria of the Bible.
Summa summarum, I see no reason not to grant them equal legal status or to ban such religiously-meaningless re-enactment of wedding ceremonies. They are meaningless according to Biblical criteria in my understanding, neither good nor bad. So let people do whatever they like.

May God forgive any erroneous reasoning I made here.

and it sounds like a pretty interesting idea. God defines marriage in the Bible and lays out the criteria that need to be fulfilled in order for people to qualify as married. Gays don't fulfill those criteria, but where in the Bible does it say they can't have equal legal status to married couples, or re-enact the ceremonies of marriage - which are themselves not biblical at all, but have developed specific to our culture (I doubt, for example, the ancient Hebrews would marry in tuxedo and white dress).
Would this be an acceptable way to reconcile the concept of gay marriage to those opposed to it on religious grounds? Any thoughts on it?

Edit:
Of course, this does not solve the issue of homosexual intercourse - we have a pretty clear definition of that, and it would still be "illegal". That's not what I wanted to touch with this post, though. This is just about the idea of having equal legal status and two men/women exchanging rings.

[Keyboard Warriors]

It's inevitably going to be pointed out how marriage predates whatever is written in the bible but.....


...... you can tell as many homosexual couples that you don't recognize their marriage all you want, just don't expect to be treated nicely in return.

[Bezombia]

Religious law is not used in actual laws.

Next.

[Tiberian Destiny]

It's inevitably going to be pointed out how marriage predates whatever is written in the bible but.....

Well, what I'm saying is, isn't it just something of a problem of linguistics?
Sure, the concept of two people being socioculturally sanctioned to live together and have intercourse predates the Bible by probably several ten thousand years.
But at some point, we called that concept "marriage" and that word became identified with the biblical standards - associating it with a certain deity, and the sanctioning being carried out by the clergy of that deity.
Now, if we invented a new word for gay marriage - or let's just keep the word "civil union" - it wouldn't phase anyone opposed to it on religious grounds. The Bible doesn't say married people deserve special legal status nobody else deserves. The battle is not about legal status, its simply about a word, and a few ceremonies associated with it.

Religious law is not used in actual laws.

Next.

Did I imply it was? There are people who want to use religious law as the basis for actual laws, and often succeed in doing so - i.e. in laws governing who can marry and who can't. I know that this is happening in the US, probably other parts of the world, too. So saying it is not used is not quite correct.