Glen-Rhodes wrote:I may not know what I'm talking about, but plenty of people agree with me.
Can you please stop talking about Osiris' internal affairs now
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by Klaus Devestatorie » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:42 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:I may not know what I'm talking about, but plenty of people agree with me.
by Venico » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:43 pm
by Zaolat » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:18 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Communist Eraser wrote:I liked Earth Madjack pre drama era better, but this is alright.
Rose-tinted glasses! The Madjack era was the start of the fall. You can pinpoint the failure of the region to Madjack's refusal to ban Biyah, who so eloquently abused Osiris' poorly crafted constitution, for committing a coup d'etat supposedly to show the region how weak its security regime was.
by Anumia » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:57 pm
by Venico » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:22 pm
by Lord Kevan Stark » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:54 pm
by Venico » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:59 pm
by The Dourian Embassy » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:30 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Douria and Cormac conspired to entrap Cameron into advocating your overthrow. When they failed, they manipulatively interpreted the IRC chat logs to make it look like he did anyways. I'm judging the region based off two long-term, well-respected members believing what they were doing was okay, a belief fostered by the cultural deficits of Osiris.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:I may not know what I'm talking about, but plenty of people agree with me.
by the Imperial Crown » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:44 am
The North Polish Union wrote:The OFO started out as an exceedingly good thing for Osiris and the world community as a whole. However, I fear that it may risk losing its positive influence in the future.
The OFO was founded on noble and lofty ideals; an embracement of Raiderism and a wholesale condemnation of defending. However, it has since rejected those principles and, as it moves farther away from the beneficial ideals it was founded upon, risks becoming corrupt.
- Lord Ravenclaw -
10th Pharaoh and World Assembly Delegate
First Pharaoh of House Ravenclaw
= The Desert Star of Osiris =
5th April 2012 - 29th May 2014
by Glen-Rhodes » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:48 am
Zaolat wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:Rose-tinted glasses! The Madjack era was the start of the fall. You can pinpoint the failure of the region to Madjack's refusal to ban Biyah, who so eloquently abused Osiris' poorly crafted constitution, for committing a coup d'etat supposedly to show the region how weak its security regime was.
How many freaking times do I have to tell you that wasn't just on him? Only two people could allow Biyah et al to stay. That was Georgie and I.
This has been explained before and at you in particular, do I need to get quotes? It was also a lot more complicated than that too. You can't condemn either of us for it.
by the Imperial Crown » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:05 am
- Lord Ravenclaw -
10th Pharaoh and World Assembly Delegate
First Pharaoh of House Ravenclaw
= The Desert Star of Osiris =
5th April 2012 - 29th May 2014
by Ambroscus Koth » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:04 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:I may not know what I'm talking about, but plenty of people agree with me.
Lord Kevan Stark wrote:I really dislike being on the same banlist as nazi spammers!
by Zaolat » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am
the Imperial Crown wrote:At the time, the Pharaoh whilst powerful was beholden to the Council of Ma'at. The Ma'at was the overseer of the region and had the powers to be utterly unquestionable in various means - had Zaolat wanted rid of them, there would have been little that could be done, which is why Zaolat had to agree to George's plan to pardon them, as George could not do it without his consent.
by The Dourian Embassy » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:04 pm
Zaolat wrote:and given, our influence had I sided entirely with the Empire, we could have attempted to continue the coup, removing Georgie's in game power. I chalk it all up to a mistake we both made in giving another chance. GR was right in his feelings about the Empire, but needs to do more research.
by Zaolat » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:06 pm
The Dourian Embassy wrote:Zaolat wrote:and given, our influence had I sided entirely with the Empire, we could have attempted to continue the coup, removing Georgie's in game power. I chalk it all up to a mistake we both made in giving another chance. GR was right in his feelings about the Empire, but needs to do more research.
He might not need to do any more research. After all, he may not know what he's talking about, but plenty of people agree with him. Or so I'm told.
by Cormacville » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:10 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Communist Eraser wrote:I liked Earth Madjack pre drama era better, but this is alright.
Rose-tinted glasses! The Madjack era was the start of the fall. You can pinpoint the failure of the region to Madjack's refusal to ban Biyah, who so eloquently abused Osiris' poorly crafted constitution, for committing a coup d'etat supposedly to show the region how weak its security regime was.
Wintermoot wrote:This may be reflected as well in the Delegate's endo count, which has rebounded from a low of ~75 (with some foreign support), but hasn't reached the ~100 endorsements I believe the Pharaoh generally had at the end of the KRO and during Asta's Imperial period.
Wintermoot wrote:1) As stated previously, I believe there is an ongoing issue with defenders in the region...perhaps there isn't an official policy against defenders, but for whatever reason defender participation in the OFO is anemic. Former long-time defender residents of the region such as Campinia and Mahaj have found themselves banjected for no apparent reason, the most prominent defender in the region recently had trumped-up charges of treason leveled against him that couldn't even withstand public scrutiny, and it would appear that the makeup of the region from July 2013 to the present has dramatically shifted, with very few if any active defenders. I attempted to compare the KRO and OFO on this to determine the extent of whether this is true or a bias on my part, but unfortunately KRO Citizenship records were so poor that it wasn't possible to reliably do so.
Wintermoot wrote:2) I'm somewhat concerned about the level with which The Empire group is still being scapegoated three months after the creation of the OFO, and even in this very topic. While it may be that the group was less than reputable (it's hard to say since there was never a trial), they have essentially been blamed in some way for everything that has ever gone wrong with Osiris. Even OFO member Treize Dreizehn's coup of Osiris was framed as The Empire's fault, because apparently Biyah somehow originally interested Gatesville in Osiris. Additionally, I've noticed that although there seems to be less contention and drama coming out of the region, whenever it does happen the parties of quick to accuse each other of being "Empire-like", or "acting like The Empire", or even of working for The Empire against Osiris. This would appear to be a symptom caused by this attitude.
Wintermoot wrote:3) Finally, I'm concerned about the power structure of the OFO...it should be noted that those behind the creation of the OFO now hold essentially the same levers of power that they accuse The Empire of abusing, such as a large portion of the high-influence nations in the region, root admin over the OFO forums, etc., and the structure of the government appears to create a moderately weak Executive, which could protect the region from rouge delegacies, but could also invite the sort of threats and abuses that The Empire were accused of, especially considering the Delegate's current relatively low endorsement rate. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the OFO starts to fundamentally drift from the course the founders set it on at the beginning, and what sort of pressure, if any, they utilize to fight off such changes. Perhaps this isn't even a concern at all, but in the absence of such an event so far and considering Osiris' history, it can't be ruled out of the question.
by Ikania » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:11 pm
by Zaolat » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:24 pm
the former root of the old forum is an administration
by RiderSyl » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:27 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:I may not know what I'm talking about, but plenty of people agree with me.
Ikania wrote:I don't know too much about the OFO, but I know they couped the region and regularly raid. So no. Bad.
by Communist Eraser » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:33 pm
by Ambroscus Koth » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:31 pm
by Venico » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:01 pm
Ikania wrote:I don't know too much about the OFO, but I know they couped the region and regularly raid. So no. Bad.
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