Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[San-Silvacian]

Tigers and Panthers aren't MBTs. MBTs are jacks of all trades, the Tiger is a heavy tank and the Panther is a medium.

A Tiger would be a real fucking neato MBT if you can find a way to make it more reliable though. Speed and armour comes next.

Start by scrapping the engine, suspension, and turret (if we're talking about a Tiger I). Obviously, no actual scrapping would take place, as this would be built new from the ground up.

The hull of either Tiger is already a fairly good shape. Tiger I might be better, but either should be workable. Chobham armor work best when hit at a perpendicular angle, so Chobham armored tanks tend to have flat slabs of armor. Either Tiger fits that description perfectly.

The suspension (especially the Tiger I's) needs to go. It's too complicated, and didn't perform particularly well on rougher terrain. Just use a modern torsion bar suspension layout. Don't forget to add side skirts.

The engine of either Tiger should be removed and thrown in the garbage. Either find and existing modern engine with about the same dimensions, or design a new engine for it. A diesel engine would be best; Tigers should roar. Whatever you do, make sure you PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN THE REAR. (World of Tanks thing, sorry)

Take a Tiger II turret and enlarge it to accommodate a 120mm gun. I think the front of the turret is rounded, so you'd need to flatten it if you want to use Chobham armor. Other than that it should be okay as is.

Now add a full suite of modern electronics.

Now go out and remind your enemies why Tigers should be feared.

or.

don't do any of that.

and produce Leopard 2 like a boss.

[Fordorsia]

Tigers and Panthers aren't MBTs. MBTs are jacks of all trades, the Tiger is a heavy tank and the Panther is a medium.

A Tiger would be a real fucking neato MBT if you can find a way to make it more reliable though. Speed and armour comes next.

Start by scrapping the engine, suspension, and turret (if we're talking about a Tiger I). Obviously, no actual scrapping would take place, as this would be built new from the ground up.

The hull of either Tiger is already a fairly good shape. Tiger I might be better, but either should be workable. Chobham armor work best when hit at a perpendicular angle, so Chobham armored tanks tend to have flat slabs of armor. Either Tiger fits that description perfectly.

The suspension (especially the Tiger I's) needs to go. It's too complicated, and didn't perform particularly well on rougher terrain. Just use a modern torsion bar suspension layout. Don't forget to add side skirts.

The engine of either Tiger should be removed and thrown in the garbage. Either find and existing modern engine with about the same dimensions, or design a new engine for it. A diesel engine would be best; Tigers should roar. Whatever you do, make sure you PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN THE REAR. (World of Tanks thing, sorry)

Take a Tiger II turret and enlarge it to accommodate a 120mm gun. I think the front of the turret is rounded, so you'd need to flatten it if you want to use Chobham armor. Other than that it should be okay as is.

Now add a full suite of modern electronics.

Now go out and remind your enemies why Tigers should be feared.

If no one wants to do it, then I will just for the fuck of it.

[Oaledonia]

Tigers and Panthers aren't MBTs. MBTs are jacks of all trades, the Tiger is a heavy tank and the Panther is a medium.

A Tiger would be a real fucking neato MBT if you can find a way to make it more reliable though. Speed and armour comes next.

Start by scrapping the engine, suspension, and turret (if we're talking about a Tiger I). Obviously, no actual scrapping would take place, as this would be built new from the ground up.

The hull of either Tiger is already a fairly good shape. Tiger I might be better, but either should be workable. Chobham armor work best when hit at a perpendicular angle, so Chobham armored tanks tend to have flat slabs of armor. Either Tiger fits that description perfectly.

The suspension (especially the Tiger I's) needs to go. It's too complicated, and didn't perform particularly well on rougher terrain. Just use a modern torsion bar suspension layout. Don't forget to add side skirts.

The engine of either Tiger should be removed and thrown in the garbage. Either find and existing modern engine with about the same dimensions, or design a new engine for it. A diesel engine would be best; Tigers should roar. Whatever you do, make sure you PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN THE REAR. (World of Tanks thing, sorry)

Take a Tiger II turret and enlarge it to accommodate a 120mm gun. I think the front of the turret is rounded, so you'd need to flatten it if you want to use Chobham armor. Other than that it should be okay as is.

Now add a full suite of modern electronics.

Now go out and remind your enemies why Tigers should be feared.

Yes, the Tiger I haul is good. It's flat, has no frontal slope, and tends to get the crew killed due to the positioning.

[Mitheldalond]

Start by scrapping the engine, suspension, and turret (if we're talking about a Tiger I). Obviously, no actual scrapping would take place, as this would be built new from the ground up.

The hull of either Tiger is already a fairly good shape. Tiger I might be better, but either should be workable. Chobham armor work best when hit at a perpendicular angle, so Chobham armored tanks tend to have flat slabs of armor. Either Tiger fits that description perfectly.

The suspension (especially the Tiger I's) needs to go. It's too complicated, and didn't perform particularly well on rougher terrain. Just use a modern torsion bar suspension layout. Don't forget to add side skirts.

The engine of either Tiger should be removed and thrown in the garbage. Either find and existing modern engine with about the same dimensions, or design a new engine for it. A diesel engine would be best; Tigers should roar. Whatever you do, make sure you PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN THE REAR. (World of Tanks thing, sorry)

Take a Tiger II turret and enlarge it to accommodate a 120mm gun. I think the front of the turret is rounded, so you'd need to flatten it if you want to use Chobham armor. Other than that it should be okay as is.

Now add a full suite of modern electronics.

Now go out and remind your enemies why Tigers should be feared.

Yes, the Tiger I haul is good. It's flat, has no frontal slope, and tends to get the crew killed due to the positioning.

Guess you missed the part where Chobham works on flat, unsloped surfaces.

Crew positioning obviously could be rearranged.

It's not like I actually intend to use this, at least not in any serious sense. It does have good lol potential though

[Urran]

Tigers and Panthers aren't MBTs. MBTs are jacks of all trades, the Tiger is a heavy tank and the Panther is a medium.

A Tiger would be a real fucking neato MBT if you can find a way to make it more reliable though. Speed and armour comes next.

Start by scrapping the engine, suspension, and turret (if we're talking about a Tiger I). Obviously, no actual scrapping would take place, as this would be built new from the ground up.

The hull of either Tiger is already a fairly good shape. Tiger I might be better, but either should be workable. Chobham armor work best when hit at a perpendicular angle, so Chobham armored tanks tend to have flat slabs of armor. Either Tiger fits that description perfectly.

The suspension (especially the Tiger I's) needs to go. It's too complicated, and didn't perform particularly well on rougher terrain. Just use a modern torsion bar suspension layout. Don't forget to add side skirts.

The engine of either Tiger should be removed and thrown in the garbage. Either find and existing modern engine with about the same dimensions, or design a new engine for it. A diesel engine would be best; Tigers should roar. Whatever you do, make sure you PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN THE REAR. (World of Tanks thing, sorry)

Take a Tiger II turret and enlarge it to accommodate a 120mm gun. I think the front of the turret is rounded, so you'd need to flatten it if you want to use Chobham armor. Other than that it should be okay as is.

Now add a full suite of modern electronics.

Now go out and remind your enemies why Tigers should be feared.

My mouth just started to water

[Fordorsia]

Start by scrapping the engine, suspension, and turret (if we're talking about a Tiger I). Obviously, no actual scrapping would take place, as this would be built new from the ground up.

The hull of either Tiger is already a fairly good shape. Tiger I might be better, but either should be workable. Chobham armor work best when hit at a perpendicular angle, so Chobham armored tanks tend to have flat slabs of armor. Either Tiger fits that description perfectly.

The suspension (especially the Tiger I's) needs to go. It's too complicated, and didn't perform particularly well on rougher terrain. Just use a modern torsion bar suspension layout. Don't forget to add side skirts.

The engine of either Tiger should be removed and thrown in the garbage. Either find and existing modern engine with about the same dimensions, or design a new engine for it. A diesel engine would be best; Tigers should roar. Whatever you do, make sure you PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN THE REAR. (World of Tanks thing, sorry)

Take a Tiger II turret and enlarge it to accommodate a 120mm gun. I think the front of the turret is rounded, so you'd need to flatten it if you want to use Chobham armor. Other than that it should be okay as is.

Now add a full suite of modern electronics.

Now go out and remind your enemies why Tigers should be feared.

My mouth just started to water

If you love the Tiger, I'm not sure why you'd love that. Apart from the hull, nothing about it is a Tiger.

[Mitheldalond]

Well, the turret is essentially still a Tiger II turret, just a bit bigger. With the exception of the tracks, the external appearance should be very similar to a Tiger. Inside, not so much

[Registug]

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this is b8tr

Except it isn't.

I'm sorry Ford but Czechtank > Hamster

[Fordorsia]

Except it isn't.

I'm sorry Ford but Czechtank > Hamster

We've been over this. My 90mm is the shit.

[Connori Pilgrims]

or.

don't do any of that.

and produce Leopard 2 like a boss.

Sure it may be too much an aesthetic "form-over-function" project (since the point seems to be to capture the "look" of the Tigers), but I personally would encourage it over another atrociously bland zero-thought generica nation using Leo 2 or M1 or any other hilariously overexposed IRL designs.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Fun time.

Start by scrapping the engine, suspension, and turret (if we're talking about a Tiger I). Obviously, no actual scrapping would take place, as this would be built new from the ground up.

The turret of the Tiger I is fantastic. Why would you scrap it?

The hull of either Tiger is already a fairly good shape. Tiger I might be better, but either should be workable. Chobham armor work best when hit at a perpendicular angle, so Chobham armored tanks tend to have flat slabs of armor. Either Tiger fits that description perfectly.

Chobham requires volume. The Tiger I does not have any to spare without looking overly bulky. You will not be fitting a Tiger with chobham. Likewise chobham works better sloped. I don't know where you got that.

The suspension (especially the Tiger I's) needs to go. It's too complicated, and didn't perform particularly well on rougher terrain. Just use a modern torsion bar suspension layout. Don't forget to add side skirts.

Tiger I was more mobile off road then lighter tanks of the German army at the time, like panzer IV. There is no reason to remove it except for reduced complication, but you are modernizing a Tiger so that is irrelevant. So really all you should do is change the torsion bars (Tiger was all torsion bars baby) for the heavier weight.

The engine of either Tiger should be removed and thrown in the garbage. Either find and existing modern engine with about the same dimensions, or design a new engine for it. A diesel engine would be best; Tigers should roar. Whatever you do, make sure you PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN THE REAR. (World of Tanks thing, sorry)

There is no reason not to keep the transmission where it is, and every reason not to move it.

Take a Tiger II turret and enlarge it to accommodate a 120mm gun. I think the front of the turret is rounded, so you'd need to flatten it if you want to use Chobham armor. Other than that it should be okay as is.

Only the Porsche turret was rounded. Although either would be equally useless for chobham as they both lack the requiset volume to work.

In short: your project would fail because it can't be done. A serious Tiger I upgrade in the modern era would simply upgrade systems, engine and transmission, gun, and add ERA to the base hull. New tracks too to be cheaper. A more likely late 1940s change to be an early MBT would be better, but pretty much the same thing minus the ERA.

No matter what though past the 1940s you can not update the vehicle and keep the image even remlty the same. San is right, just use Leopard 2 at that point.

[Greater Tion]

hovertanks, destrutor tanks, hoverscouts, mobile neutron artillery, leopard tanks, raptor cars.

[NeoTarakia]

hovertanks, destrutor tanks, hoverscouts, mobile neutron artillery, leopard tanks, raptor cars.

Whut O__o

[Antarticaria]

hovertanks, destrutor tanks, hoverscouts, mobile neutron artillery, leopard tanks, raptor cars.

This caught my eye.... what exactly is this if you may enlighten us more?
*Edit* It just stuck out and would like to see stat blocks or pictures*

[Fordorsia]

Modern Tiger I is happening.

And I don't know why.

[Zeinbrad]

Hmm...In Modern war, like let's say a NATO vs Russia modern war, are airborne tanks worth it?

And if yes, what should be their maximum weight and such?

[Mitheldalond]

Modern Tiger I is happening.
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And I don't know why.

That
Is awesome.

[Chedastan]

Modern Tiger I is happening.
(Image)
And I don't know why.

Looking gud so far. Here's one I made awhile ago. But this one's a Tiger II.

[Mitheldalond]

Modern Tiger I is happening.
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And I don't know why.

Looking gud so far. Here's one I made awhile ago. But this one's a Tiger II.

You people have your designations backwards. This is clearly a Tiger I hull; you can by the stairstep looking front. Fordorsia's is more of a Tiger II hull, though the turret simply screams Tiger I.

[Fordorsia]

Doesn't look too bad.

[San-Silvacian]

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Doesn't look too bad.

tiger is dumb tank for those who like to lose world wars.



meanwhile good tanks are actually being made. though not as good as Shermans sadly ;-;

[Imperial Gearria]

The Primary Tank of the Kingdom is the AMX 56 Leclerc.

[Talon Independent Nation]

PMT/FT is now. Kinda

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All the time is FT time.

[Purpelia]

Since we are doing WW2 tanks I figure I can restart the conversation about my 50's TD. Basically I've come to the conclusion that the barrel length I wanted was a bit silly. So here is a new proposal. So how about I shrink it down to something like 6m. That would put it at 50% longer than the original gun (which would be a ripoff of the ISU-152) and roughly in the range of other 50's and 60's SPH's.

Now mind you, this thing is meant to be a SPH that got conscripted into AT duties.

[Fordorsia]

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Doesn't look too bad.

tiger is dumb tank for those who like to lose world wars.



meanwhile good tanks are actually being made. though not as good as Shermans sadly ;-;

I'm so close to having another rant about the Sherman.