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[Anchorman]

Good a time as ever to come back;



Unrest in The East Pacific over 'Defender Law'
February 23rd, 2014

Pictured: Unrest escalates in The East Pacific

THE EAST PACIFIC - A otherwise quiet and sleepy region has been rocked with civil unrest over the last 2 weeks following the passing of a law officially stating that the East Pacific is 'Defender'. Controversy sparked when Todd McCloud, a 5 year resident and Vizier of TEP, threatened to quit over the law. Other people believed to be fighting the law include Bachtendekuppen, current Delegate, Hobbes, Arbiter and First Tiger of Lazarus, and Babiana, General of the Eastern Pacific Sovereign Army. In support of the law include Unibot and several Magisters.

More controversy was sparked Saturday night when Unibot posted a thread calling for the removal of all Forum Administrators from the Judical Branch of TEP, comparing the situation to The South Pacific. The situation quickly escalated in to Unibot taking several shots at Todd McCloud and lesso Hobbes, to which they alleged Unibot of being 'on a Vendetta against those opposed to the law.'

The law in question, The Defender Act, was passed through the Magisterium(legislative) of The East Pacific on February 7th.

-NSGN

[Unibot III]

Hi Hobbes! Yeah eh, no. The Constitutional Amendment was proposed because the conduct of the admins is looking juvenile: making a "secret" skype channel that excluded me (called "Unibot Free Zone") and conspiring to use logs of me in a nervous suicidal breakdown to try to remove me from the region. Ultimately, arbiters are given a lot of freedom in law, because they're expected to be held to a high standard of justice.

It does sound like some of what happened was misinterpreted and we'll have to work it out. I certainly didn't propose the amendment because you or Todd are opponents of the Defender Act. Is there unrest going on about the Defender Act? Yes, you and Todd and Babiana have been opposing it. Todd's a big name. There's a lot more support for keeping it, however and hopefully, democracy will prevail.

[Port blood]

*gets popcorn*


Also,for completeness sake,could you link to the law in question?

[Charax]

September 25th, 2013.

Are you sure?

[Vladisvok Destino]

*gets popcorn*


Also,for completeness sake,could you link to the law in question?

Looks like this is the law.

[Anchorman]

September 25th, 2013.

Are you sure?

shhhhh

[Glen-Rhodes]

While I'm not sure barring administrators from participating in regional government is the right thing to do, Unibot's complaints about the juvenile behavior of some of TEP's members seem valid to me. No respectable group of players in this game should be creating a "Unibot Free Zone" or any other "X-player Free Zone." It's petty. Experienced members of this game need to stop perpetuating this type of pettiness. That's especially true when those groups of players are trusted to act with a level head and without bias.

I'm also frankly sick of people using mental health as a political tool in this game. It's disgusting and dangerous. Stop playing with people's lives. Mental health is a very serious issue, and even though this is just a game, we are all human beings. Just because somebody doesn't know you in the real world doesn't mean your words on the internet can't heavily impact them. If somebody says something to you in a state of mental distress, don't go throwing around the logs to people you know aren't their close friends. There's no excuse for that. It's a gross invasion of privacy.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Those are some fun logs, if they're the same ones I have. Yeah, I can see why Uni wouldn't want what was said during that time in his life to be common knowledge.

Yo Blood, pass the popcorn.

[Cormacville]

Real life, and especially real life mental health, should be left out of this game. Full stop. If this game gets that level of personal we're frankly doing something wrong, and I say that as someone who has dealt with this issue in the past and handled it badly at the prompting of other players who have since retired.

Getting back to Gameplay, though the above was obviously related, I'm really sad to see that The East Pacific has deteriorated to this point and I think several people on both sides need to take a step back, a deep breath, and reevaluate how they're dealing with this situation. A gameplay alignment shift is a significant issue but it isn't one that needs to tear apart your community, and only you can decide if it's going to do that.

[Tano]

Hi Hobbes! Yeah eh, no. The Constitutional Amendment was proposed because the conduct of the admins is looking juvenile: making a "secret" skype channel that excluded me (called "Unibot Free Zone") and conspiring to use logs of me in a nervous suicidal breakdown to try to remove me from the region. Ultimately, arbiters are given a lot of freedom in law, because they're expected to be held to a high standard of justice.

It does sound like some of what happened was misinterpreted and we'll have to work it out. I certainly didn't propose the amendment because you or Todd are opponents of the Defender Act. Is there unrest going on about the Defender Act? Yes, you and Todd and Babiana have been opposing it. Todd's a big name. There's a lot more support for keeping it, however and hopefully, democracy will prevail.

I disagree with the Defender Act, but I do not agree with what was conspired against you. I didn't know about the logs, but I was invited to the secret convo, and I told those that made it that it wasn't the right step to take if they disagreed with you.

[Cerian Quilor]

There is nothing wrong with having fun and making a Skype Chat called the Unibot Free Zone (or a whoever free zone or whatever).

If they did indeed mock, make fun or attempt to use Unibot (or anyone else's) mental health, that's not okay, but that would be no okay whereever they did it. But for gods sake Unibot, look for the pattern here!

[Unibot III]

I am.

[Ambroscus Koth]

I am.

Read it and weep fellas, this may be the shortest post Unibot has ever made on NationStates.

Savor the moment

[Cerian Quilor]

No, you're not. You piss people off everywhere you go - and yet you keep doing the exact same thing. What they did may not have been right, but it is not surprising. Your behavior creates this kind of situation - either you don't care that your behavior consistently elicits this kind of reaction (and thus should stop being all indignant about it when it happens) or you have still not noticed the pattern.

[North East Somerset]

I agree anything personal is unacceptable, but I don't see any evidence of anything like that going on. All I see is Unibot trying to play the sympathy card to try and preserve his indefensible "Defender Act" which is tearing the TEP community apart. Unibot evidently doesn't give a damn about TEP, just like he never gave a damn about any of several the GCRs he has attempted to influence over the past few years. He just wants to push his propaganda agenda to try and stay "powerful" and "relevant" as an individual player, at any cost to GCR communities. The sooner TEP ditch the Defender Act the better for them.

[Punk Daddy]

I am still confused as to why people allow Unibot to push their buttons as it were. Let's start with his opening comment in the linked thread by NSGN.

Unibot says:

I've been talking with citizens here and it has become apparent I think that we would like to avoid the "mixing" of the admin system and the justice system which has developed in The South Pacific.

Bold mine.

First bold, Unibot says he's been talking with citizens not mentioning who.

Second bold, he takes an illogical leap from those ambiguous and unknown conversations saying it "has become apparent" that whatever he's about to tell you is true because he's "been talking with citizens".

Third bold, he use "we" which again refers to this unknown group of 'citizens'. Is it 2 citizens and unibot, the whole of TEP, who? He doesn't tell us, but we're supposed to believe him that it's obvious TEP needs to...

Fourth bold, avoid a system that "developed in The South Pacific". Again, no facts used in support just a reference to a region not named The East Pacific.

I find so many things in just this statement that should be easily dismissed by rational people, I continue to be shocked at how people get so upset with Unibot or feel he has such 'influence'. If scare tactics influence you, yes Unibot is influential. If unsupported claims persuade you, Unibot shall be your guide. If links to regions not associated with your own, you find convincing, then I guess Unibot will pummel any contrary ideology you may have held dear.

Barring that, I have wondered for years why Unibot scares people to act. The opening post of this bill calls for a considerable amount of scrutiny. What problem does this solve? What evidence exists that there is a problem? What citizens (names please) support the motion? Etc.

As for the topic at hand, I'll bring in a region not associated with TEP but try to support it more than a cryptic one-liner. I'm an admin in TNP. Unibot seems to be arguing for admins not to be a part of government or a particular part of government. When I resigned citizenship a "group of citizens" (unnamed to protect the guilty) questioned if someone who was not associated with the region could be an admin. When it comes to forum administrators you can make arguments for and against their participation in government.

However, at the end of the day you want people who won't abuse their powers as administrators as administrators of your forum. You want people who may hold a view but can execute another view if administration calls for it. If they are members of government or not, that quality is the quality that is critical for an admin. In my opinion, which is and should be worth little to the powers that be in TEP, whether this bill is passed or not will not keep admins from abusing their power nor entice admins to abuse power. What this bill seems to have done is cause a rift in TEP. If that was its purpose, well..SUCCESS!!

[PrussianEmpire]

Hobbes, this is unacceptable. Keep your opinions of TEP in TEP and not in the GP forum. This is disgusting that you feel the need to air your dirty laundry with Unibot with all of NS.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Hobbes, this is unacceptable. Keep your opinions of TEP in TEP and not in the GP forum. This is disgusting that you feel the need to air your dirty laundry with Unibot with all of NS.

You are aware that Hobbes' post is a direct parody of an article Unibot released via the TRR Times about TSP, yes? Unibot is notorious about for using NS News Services to prosecute smear campaigns against people he doesn't like, and I find the irony of someone reversing his tactic against him delicious, rather than disgusting.

[PrussianEmpire]

Hobbes, this is unacceptable. Keep your opinions of TEP in TEP and not in the GP forum. This is disgusting that you feel the need to air your dirty laundry with Unibot with all of NS.

You are aware that Hobbes' post is a direct parody of an article Unibot released via the TRR Times about TSP, yes? Unibot is notorious about for using NS News Services to prosecute smear campaigns against people he doesn't like, and I find the irony of someone reversing his tactic against him delicious, rather than disgusting.

While the TRR times post might not have been pleasant (havent read it) it does not excuse Hobbes from doing it. Fire will never beat fire - itll only make a much larger fire.

[Hobbesistan]

You are aware that Hobbes' post is a direct parody of an article Unibot released via the TRR Times about TSP, yes? Unibot is notorious about for using NS News Services to prosecute smear campaigns against people he doesn't like, and I find the irony of someone reversing his tactic against him delicious, rather than disgusting.

While the TRR times post might not have been pleasant (havent read it) it does not excuse Hobbes from doing it. Fire will never beat fire - itll only make a much larger fire.

But if you assimilate that fire into your fire then you can put the fire out.

[Cerian Quilor]

You are aware that Hobbes' post is a direct parody of an article Unibot released via the TRR Times about TSP, yes? Unibot is notorious about for using NS News Services to prosecute smear campaigns against people he doesn't like, and I find the irony of someone reversing his tactic against him delicious, rather than disgusting.

While the TRR times post might not have been pleasant (havent read it) it does not excuse Hobbes from doing it. Fire will never beat fire - itll only make a much larger fire.

That just doesn't make any sense...

[Unibot III]

While the TRR times post might not have been pleasant (havent read it) it does not excuse Hobbes from doing it. Fire will never beat fire - itll only make a much larger fire.

That just doesn't make any sense...

To be fair, it makes a lot more sense than this:

But if you assimilate that fire into your fire then you can put the fire out.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

As a defender, I support the law. We need at least one feeder defending.

[Mallorea and Riva]

That just doesn't make any sense...

To be fair, it makes a lot more sense than this:

But if you assimilate that fire into your fire then you can put the fire out.

Technically speaking you can use explosions to extinguish a fire. That having been said, to comment on GR's point, there are plenty of "X Free Zones" in NS. Unibot is a divisive figure on NS, the fact that there are areas where he is not necessarily welcome (and that the fact of this is utilized as a point of humor) is neither surprising nor offensive. Having no knowledge of the content of those conversations I cannot comment on them.

[The North Polish Union]

As a defender, I support the law. We need at least one feeder defending.

That problem already exists in TRR and Laz. There's no need to drag another GCR down into defenderism.