2+2=4 is self evidently true.
Your super special bible is not.
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by Regnum Dominae » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:50 pm
by Regnum Dominae » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:50 pm
by Gaelic Celtia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:50 pm
Sibirsky wrote:You are offensive to me.
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:50 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Othelos wrote:It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.
Are you advocating forced conversion?
Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.
I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.
by Marcurix » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:51 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Othelos wrote:It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.
Are you advocating forced conversion?
Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.
I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.
by Neutraligon » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:51 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Othelos wrote:It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.
Are you advocating forced conversion?
Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.
I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.
by Othelos » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:52 pm
by Solaray » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:52 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Krazakistan wrote:
The purity of marriage?
The fuck?
Here's a serious question that I expect an answer for: If you're so pushy for the sanctity of marriage to be upheld by denying a group of people basic human rights, why haven't you made any arguments against divorce? It says pretty clearly in your "holy" book that divorce is not allowed.
Divorce is strongly discouraged and breaks the bonds of marriage, which saddens God. I'm not sure if it's considered a sin, but if it is, it is one that has become too commonplace in society for me to fix it. SSM however is something that can still be fought against, and it is my obligation to do so.
by Phoenixfox » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:54 pm
by Alyakia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:54 pm
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:55 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.
Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?
It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.
by Neutraligon » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:56 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.
Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?
It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.
by Phoenixfox » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:56 pm
by Alyakia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:56 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.
Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?
It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.
by Gaelic Celtia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:57 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.
Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?
It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.
Sibirsky wrote:You are offensive to me.
by Neutraligon » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:57 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Utceforp wrote:Not everyone is your religion. Not everyone considers that sin.
Obviously, which is why I must try to change that fact. That's the whole point of me debating here...try plant the seeds of righteousness in a few of you. Even if it does not blossom today...maybe later in your life.
by Utceforp » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:57 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Utceforp wrote:Not everyone is your religion. Not everyone considers that sin.
Obviously, which is why I must try to change that fact. That's the whole point of me debating here...try plant the seeds of righteousness in a few of you. Even if it does not blossom today...maybe later in your life.
by Ainin » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:57 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Considering the legal stuff attached to marriage, that is oppression.
Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?
It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.
by Othelos » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:57 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Othelos wrote:It's naive to think that people will accept 'salvation' shoved down their throats.
Are you advocating forced conversion?
Of course not. Forced conversion is not conversion at all.
I do not intent to shove anything down throats, just show you the path and allow you follow it if you so choose.
Phoenixfox wrote:I try to shove salvation down their throat
by Phoenixfox » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:58 pm
Othelos wrote:Phoenixfox wrote:Helping them fight their sinful urges (whether natural or not is debatable) and find happiness through god rather than sin so that they may have eternal life. Sounds pretty helpful to me.
Have you ever tried to surpress all sexual urges because you feel perverted?
Thought not. Depression and self hatred aren't fun. So stop pretending like you're helping, and recognize how harmful what you're advocating actually is.
by Solaray » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:58 pm
Wisconsin9 wrote:Phoenixfox wrote:Don't you read? I've already stated multiple times I think that all legal rights of married couples should be given to gay civil unions. If that was done, how would it still be oppression?
It'd be like crying oppression when the African American Society of Engineers (made it up) doesn't allow admission to an Asian guy. Not oppression, just exclusion because you didn't meet the qualifications. If gay civil unions had all the same rights as marriages, why would you still need marriage? Please tell me.
So what exactly is the difference between this and marriage?
by Utceforp » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:58 pm
Phoenixfox wrote:Othelos wrote:Have you ever tried to surpress all sexual urges because you feel perverted?
Thought not. Depression and self hatred aren't fun. So stop pretending like you're helping, and recognize how harmful what you're advocating actually is.
God is the only real way of curing depression and self-hatred. I don't think anyone can truly feel fulfilled with their life without him.
Utceforp wrote:Your religion is no more valid than any other religion. You need to realize that before we have a reasonable discussion.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:59 pm
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