EUstan wrote:Vote for Šešelj in that case.
Seselj is a smart capable guy. Only a bit nutty.
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by Great Kleomentia » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:23 pm
EUstan wrote:Vote for Šešelj in that case.
by European Socialist Republic » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:25 pm
by Kamchastkia » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:30 pm
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:35 pm
Shofercia wrote:It's the result of the Bombing of Belgrade. Apparently when you bomb people and inform them that it's in the name of Human Rights, or ask others to do your very own dirty work, they're going to not like you very much...
by Vashta Nerada » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:33 pm
by Shofercia » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:40 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:Shofercia wrote:It's the result of the Bombing of Belgrade. Apparently when you bomb people and inform them that it's in the name of Human Rights, or ask others to do your very own dirty work, they're going to not like you very much...
I doubt that very much. People being upset over the lines they find on maps rather predate that particular bombing.
Think about it: do you really notice whether a particular part of the globe is part of Russia, or not? I'd wager that unless you live there, or very close to it, if you didn't hear about it in the news or some other long-distance means of communication, you would not be able to tell me whether South Ossetia is in Russia or not. It literally makes no difference to your life. It makes no difference to most people's lives.
So the only reason you'd care is because you imagine this thing called a 'Russian nation' or whatever, and then take things you associate with this concept personally. That's the only reason you could actually feel something one way or another about what political body governs South Ossetia.
And I'm not even saying that this is always a bad thing. It becomes a bad thing when the feeling that is inspired by this 'Russian nation' concept is anger, or hatred, or some other feeling that would actually have you harm or otherwise express your anger at another person. Because people you deal with are unquestionably real. They're not abstract, like 'the nation' is. And there ought to be some sort of mechanism in a modern human being that allows him or her to make that distinction, and to recognise that there is a hierarchy in which people come first, and abstractions come some time after that.
And I'm afraid that this is not happening in many parts of the world, nor in Kosovo, or even in this thread. Which is disturbing, because we've had plenty of opportunities to see what happens when people start thinking of their actions towards others as being governed by these greater, and often malicious, abstractions.
by Britain and Brittany » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:43 pm
by The Revolutionary Fighters of Intel » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:47 pm
European Socialist Republic wrote:It can be whatever it wants to be.
by Risottia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:15 am
Shofercia wrote:Neu Leonstein wrote:This disturbs me. It's like two world wars weren't enough to get the message through about how incredibly silly this sort of thing is.
It's the result of the Bombing of Belgrade. Apparently when you bomb people and inform them that it's in the name of Human Rights, or ask others to do your very own dirty work, they're going to not like you very much...
Besides, Kosovo's a Mafia State, once the EU funding dries up, the internal structures are going to start to collapse.
by New Waterford » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:40 am
by Rationallia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:44 am
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by Conscentia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:50 am
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I don't support it since it was created due to Albanians meddling in Serbia.
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by Neu Leonstein » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:03 am
Shofercia wrote:In terms of Kosovo, I'm worried about the precedent. Kosovo did not separate from Serbia via a velvet divorce. It was an extremely violent procedure, with destruction and death. I am unsure about what rewarding that will do, but I highly doubt that'd be a good thing.
by Herrebrugh » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:19 am
by Shofercia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:24 am
Neu Leonstein wrote:Shofercia wrote:In terms of Kosovo, I'm worried about the precedent. Kosovo did not separate from Serbia via a velvet divorce. It was an extremely violent procedure, with destruction and death. I am unsure about what rewarding that will do, but I highly doubt that'd be a good thing.
Neither did the Grand Duchy of Moscow from the Mongols. People are pissed about these things for a while and then they settle down and move on. In a world in which information and opinion is disseminated more easily though, it is all the more important that we call out people who spout nationalist silliness whenever they do so.
by Neu Leonstein » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:56 am
Shofercia wrote:While I agree that Nationalism is silly, one has to realize that it's not just going to go away by people calling it silly on internet forums. One must find out what drives Nationalism. One of the things that does, as has been repeatedly demonstrated throughout history, (Verdun at WWI, Leningrad & London at WWII, Vietnam War,) is bombing a nation's capital into submission. That's when the people see something that's truly unjust, and believe that their best recourse is towards nationalism. Mistakes have to be acknowledged and admitted, if Nationalism is to be challenged. Otherwise you're portraying the aggressors as bombing liars, and that'll simply create more Nationalism from the side that was bombed, irrespective of what goes on in online forums.
by Mirkana » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:04 pm
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