And that link was severed when the people living there decided that they didn't want to be part of Serbia anymore.
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by The Carlisle » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:59 pm
by The Carlisle » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:15 pm
by God Kefka » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:17 pm
by The Carlisle » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:20 pm
by God Kefka » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:27 pm
Meowfoundland wrote:God Kefka wrote:
Well you're born Serbian but you choose to do something against your motherland... something that makes Serbia smaller, poorer, in command of less resources, people and hurts its legitimacy and survival. That kind of betrayal is just wrong...
Then isn't any secession treason?
by Meowfoundland » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:32 pm
by God Kefka » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:38 pm
by Parhe » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:40 pm
by Parhe » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:42 pm
God Kefka wrote:Meowfoundland wrote:Why is this one different to, say, the United States seeking independence?
that shall always be a stain on the American history...
Without betrayal and insurrection the country would never have existed... the birth of a fractured and traumatized national consciousness no doubt...
by Shofercia » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:16 am
by Parhe » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:29 am
Shofercia wrote:NATO/EU: "Kosovo is Sui Generis!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "Does that include all of Kosovo?"
NATO/EU: "Yes!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "So we all can decide on self-determination?"
NATO/EU: "Sure!"
North Kosovo Serbs: "Ok, we secede from Pristina"
NATO/EU: "You cannot do that!"
For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.
As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.
Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.
by Luziyca » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:30 am
Shofercia wrote:For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.
As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.
Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.
by Parhe » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:34 am
Luziyca wrote:No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.
Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.Shofercia wrote:For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.
As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.
Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.
I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia? Or just settle the issue by reunifying all the ex-Yugoslav countries into Yugoslavia and make it an EU member?
by Shofercia » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:47 am
Luziyca wrote:No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.
Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.Shofercia wrote:For every single argument that works for Kosovo's independence, there is an even strong argument for North Kosovo's ability to stay with Serbia. The hypocrisy of denying to the Serbs that, which is granted to Albanians is appalling. Do the Albanians have a special kind of "cutie cooties" that Serbs lack? The willingness of other Slavic Governments to tag along is even more appalling. The reason that Russians represent over 40 percent of all Slavs, is because we're united. We might be divided on Capitalism v Communism and everything in between, but on the core issues, we're united. As for the rest of you, it's your call. You can stand united, or act like hypocrites.
As for NATO/EU, others are watching these double standards. On display. ASEAN is watching. BRIC is watching. SCO is watching. If you keep this up, don't be shocked when you're greeted with wary eyes in other countries.
Seriously guys, what's the difference between Kosovo's secession from Serbia, and North Kosovo's secession from Kosovo? Name one actual difference. Just one. I'll wait.
I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia?
by Parhe » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:51 am
Shofercia wrote:Luziyca wrote:No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.
Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.
I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia?
Good question! I have no idea. Ask NATO/EU.
by Shofercia » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:55 am
With the exception of Cedomir Jovanovic’s Liberal Democratic Party, each of the main political parties in Serbia are committed to regaining control of what they refer to as the ‘Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija’. President Nikolic, like his predecessor Boris Tadic, is publicly steadfast on the issue. But, in many ways, their public position is a politically expedient one designed to appeal to the well of nationalist feeling that still exists in Serbia today.
On the ground, there is a growing sense of acceptance amongst Serbs in both Kosovo and Serbia itself, that Kosovo’s declaration of independence is permanent and irreversible – with the exception of the majority Serb areas of Northern Kosovo...The latest intervention of NATO soldiers in Zvecan was part of a broader attempt by the organisation to bring areas of North Kosovo under the control of the Kosovo government in Pristina. It follows a disastrous operation in July last year in which the Kosovo Police sought to forcibly gain control of check-points along the administrative border between Serbia and North Kosovo. In the violent clashes that followed, 1 Albanian and 3 Serbs lost their lives, with 162 Serb and 63 NATO officers suffering injuries.
by Srboslavija » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:35 am
Regnum Dominae wrote:No. I support Kosovo's independence.
Also, it's not like Kosovo is just going to return to Serbia. They're going to stay independent whether you like it or not.
by Srboslavija » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:06 am
Shofercia wrote:Luziyca wrote:No, it is independent. Likewise, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Somaliland, Taiwan, Transnistria and the Western Sahara are sovereign.
Note that I do not represent any opinions of those countries, and that my opinion should not be taken as a representation of the opinions of the people living there.
I got a solution. Why not we give North Kosovo to Serbia?
Good question! I have no idea. Ask NATO/EU.
"Whoever is a Serb and of Serb birth
And of Serb blood and heritage
And comes not to the Battle of Kosovo,
May he never have the progeny his heart desires!
Neither son nor daughter
May nothing grow that his hand sows!
Neither dark wine nor white wheat
And let him be cursed from all ages to all ages!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazimestan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_curse
by Wolfmanne » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:31 am
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