(Open) OOC 1875 REAL-WORLD RP

[Baja California y Sonora]

AAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNDDDD WE'RE BACK!!

I'll repost my Mexico app later.

[Timothia]

It's been a while since I've been around this RP. It's my favorite one that I've been in so far...

Ahhhhhh, it's good to be back.

I would like to note that - as part of the time skip - I would have colonized whatever African land I was granted at the Cairo conference. Also, Austria and I would have concluded the deal that we planned on making 2 months ago IRL. Soooo yeah, I'm also getting kinda jealous of all the love Argentina is getting. My armies are better trained and are 10 times the size! I guess that makes the only true power in S. America an underdog.

[Phoenix2012]

I'll get in a NGF app...

[Kryskov]

It's been a while since I've been around this RP. It's my favorite one that I've been in so far...

Ahhhhhh, it's good to be back.

I would like to note that - as part of the time skip - I would have colonized whatever African land I was granted at the Cairo conference. Also, Austria and I would have concluded the deal that we planned on making 2 months ago IRL. Soooo yeah, I'm also getting kinda jealous of all the love Argentina is getting. My armies are better trained and are 10 times the size! I guess that makes the only true power in S. America an underdog.

You were awarded no land in Africa.

[Timothia]

It's been a while since I've been around this RP. It's my favorite one that I've been in so far...

Ahhhhhh, it's good to be back.

I would like to note that - as part of the time skip - I would have colonized whatever African land I was granted at the Cairo conference. Also, Austria and I would have concluded the deal that we planned on making 2 months ago IRL. Soooo yeah, I'm also getting kinda jealous of all the love Argentina is getting. My armies are better trained and are 10 times the size! I guess that makes the only true power in S. America an underdog.

You were awarded no land in Africa.

And why not? I'm probably the closest physically to the colonies I want, and I'm in a good position to settle and protect them. Besides, the only reason I didn't get awarded any land is because there was only one post in that conference after mine. It is not unreasonable to expect that I've acquired some African land by now.

[Kryskov]

And why not? I'm probably the closest physically to the colonies I want, and I'm in a good position to settle and protect them. Besides, the only reason I didn't get awarded any land is because there was only one post in that conference after mine. It is not unreasonable to expect that I've acquired some African land by now.

Yes, but the UK's take is that you are an inferior nation unworthy of controlling colonies and would actively try to stop your colonial exploits.

Plus, it's kinda hard to justify your own anti-colonialist existence if you go and make colonies.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Am I signed up already or...?

[Timothia]

And why not? I'm probably the closest physically to the colonies I want, and I'm in a good position to settle and protect them. Besides, the only reason I didn't get awarded any land is because there was only one post in that conference after mine. It is not unreasonable to expect that I've acquired some African land by now.

Yes, but the UK's take is that you are an inferior nation unworthy of controlling colonies and would actively try to stop your colonial exploits.

Plus, it's kinda hard to justify your own anti-colonialist existence if you go and make colonies.

So you think that just because the UK doesn't like me ( ) that I couldn't acquire a colony? I think that I could easily convince powers like Austria-Hungary and Russia to support me using basic diplomacy. If I don't receive any colonies, then I will simply have to take them for myself, with or without Britain's approval.

And that bit about my own anti-colonialist existence... no, just, no. I don't have an anti-colonialist existence: Dom Pedro I (the father of our current Emperor) was the son of the John VI, King of Portugal. This means that they don't hate the Portuguese colonial system, that there really isn't any holdover hatred for the mother land, and there is not any ideological opposition to colonies.

Honestly, I can't imagine any real reason that I can't have a colony in Africa.

[Baja California y Sonora]

Am I signed up already or...?

I'm editing my original app, for 1875.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Am I signed up already or...?

I'm editing my original app, for 1875.

Yea me too. Obviously my country is reserved, correct?

[Baja California y Sonora]

I'm editing my original app, for 1875.

Yea me too. Obviously my country is reserved, correct?

Yep.

[Phoenix2012]

Northern German Confederation [TAKEN]





Population (The Confederation): 30,000,000
Standing Military and Reserves: 1,00,000
Maximum Conscription (Native): 1,9600,000
Country and Territories: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... h1.svg.png
Head of State: His Majesty, the King of Prussia, Wilhelm Friedrich Ludwig
Head of Government: Chancellor Otto von Bismarck
Government Style: Authoritarian Democracy
Primary Weapon: Mauser 71
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_Model_1871
Secondary Weapon: Unknown
Standard Artillery:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_FK_96
Krupp C64 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_%28field_gun%29
Main Naval Vessels: Unknown
7 Ironclads-(1870) 10 Ironclads-(1871)
Additional Reading:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_a ... cteristics

[Kryskov]

So you think that just because the UK doesn't like me ( ) that I couldn't acquire a colony? I think that I could easily convince powers like Austria-Hungary and Russia to support me using basic diplomacy. If I don't receive any colonies, then I will simply have to take them for myself, with or without Britain's approval.

And that bit about my own anti-colonialist existence... no, just, no. I don't have an anti-colonialist existence: Dom Pedro I (the father of our current Emperor) was the son of the John VI, King of Portugal. This means that they don't hate the Portuguese colonial system, that there really isn't any holdover hatred for the mother land, and there is not any ideological opposition to colonies.

Honestly, I can't imagine any real reason that I can't have a colony in Africa.

As multiple posts have proven, Russia and Austria-Hungary have both endeavored to get closer to me.

Then why are you independent? Or are you just a puppet of Portugal?

[Timothia]

So you think that just because the UK doesn't like me ( ) that I couldn't acquire a colony? I think that I could easily convince powers like Austria-Hungary and Russia to support me using basic diplomacy. If I don't receive any colonies, then I will simply have to take them for myself, with or without Britain's approval.

And that bit about my own anti-colonialist existence... no, just, no. I don't have an anti-colonialist existence: Dom Pedro I (the father of our current Emperor) was the son of the John VI, King of Portugal. This means that they don't hate the Portuguese colonial system, that there really isn't any holdover hatred for the mother land, and there is not any ideological opposition to colonies.

Honestly, I can't imagine any real reason that I can't have a colony in Africa.

As multiple posts have proven, Russia and Austria-Hungary have both endeavored to get closer to me.

Then why are you independent? Or are you just a puppet of Portugal?

During the invasion of Portugal (1807), the Portuguese royal family fled to Brazil, establishing Rio de Janeiro as the de-facto capital of Portugal. This had the side effect of creating within Brazil many of the institutions required to exist as an independent state; most importantly, it freed Brazil to trade with other nations at will. After Napoleon's army was finally defeated in 1815, in order to maintain the capitol in Brazil and allay Brazilian fears of being returned to colonial status, King John IV of Portugal raised the de-jure status of Brazil to an equal, integral part of a United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil, and the Algarves, rather than a mere colony, a status which it enjoyed for the next seven years.

The official separation would only occur on September 22, 1822 in a letter written by Pedro to João VI. In it, Pedro still calls himself Prince Regent and his father is considered the King of the independent Brazil. On October 12, 1822, in the Field of Santana (later known as Field of the Acclamation) Prince Pedro was acclaimed Dom Pedro I, Constitutional Emperor and Perpetual Defender of Brazil. It was at the same time the beginning of Pedro's reign and also of the Empire of Brazil. However, the Emperor made it clear that although he accepted the emperorship, if João VI returned to Brazil he would step down from the throne in favor of his father.
The reason for the imperial title was that the title of king would symbolically mean a continuation of the Portuguese dynastic tradition and perhaps of the feared absolutism, while the title of emperor derived from popular acclamation as in Ancient Rome. On December 1, 1822 (anniversary of the acclamation of João IV, first King of the House of Braganza) Pedro I was crowned and consecrated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_Brazil

Then who would take the unclaimed pieces of Western Africa? the UK? I suppose you could, but I can't imagine why you'd be so opposed to us having a colonial presence. Also, we all know that Austria will do whatever will get them a bit richer. They could easily be convinced to support me in exchange for a little land, trade rights, money, or anything else where they think they get the better end of the deal. Russia, I'm sure, has little affinity for their British rivals. Just because they wish to improve relations does not mean that they would support your suppression of Brazilian expansion so that you can take the land yourself. There is a thin line between "getting closer" and "kissing up to", and I believe that they would be wary of this line.

[Kryskov]

Then who would take the unclaimed pieces of Western Africa? the UK?

Quite the contrary. I would rather see Russia take the some Gabon and Congo coasts. It has already voiced its intention to colonize. I would even support them from Guinea.

Also, Seljuq and I need to resolve this Djibouti issue.

[Timothia]

Then who would take the unclaimed pieces of Western Africa? the UK?

Quite the contrary. I would rather see Russia take the some Gabon and Congo coasts. It has already voiced its intention to colonize. I would even support them from Guinea.

Also, Seljuq and I need to resolve this Djibouti issue.

I'm going to have to talk to Quendi about this then, cuz I reaaaaaaaly want an African colony.

[Of the Quendi]

Then who would take the unclaimed pieces of Western Africa? the UK?

Quite the contrary. I would rather see Russia take the some Gabon and Congo coasts. It has already voiced its intention to colonize. I would even support them from Guinea.

Also, Seljuq and I need to resolve this Djibouti issue.

Russia has no intention of colonizing Africa it has merely voiced an interest in who gets to colonize what. And in that regard I don't see Russia being particularly hostile to a Brazilian colony (though OOC'ly I might question the sensibility and plausibility of such a colony)

[Kryskov]

Quite the contrary. I would rather see Russia take the some Gabon and Congo coasts. It has already voiced its intention to colonize. I would even support them from Guinea.

Also, Seljuq and I need to resolve this Djibouti issue.

Russia has no intention of colonizing Africa it has merely voiced an interest in who gets to colonize what. And in that regard I don't see Russia being particularly hostile to a Brazilian colony (though OOC'ly I might question the sensibility and plausibility of such a colony)

And that brings me to another point. Much of the remaining land is jungle, and you have tons of uninhabited jungle...why not try to start moving people to the rainforest?

[Of the Quendi]

And that brings me to another point. Much of the remaining land is jungle, and you have tons of uninhabited jungle...why not try to start moving people to the rainforest?

Jungle? Russia?

Administering some twenty five thousand square kilometers of lands I have tons of almost everything but jungle?

[The Time Alliance]

For the new Argentina

What new government be?
Would Russia appoint a new leader?
How much of my original land did I keep.

[Kryskov]

And that brings me to another point. Much of the remaining land is jungle, and you have tons of uninhabited jungle...why not try to start moving people to the rainforest?

Jungle? Russia?

Administering some twenty five thousand square kilometers of lands I have tons of almost everything but jungle?

I was talking about Brazil.

[Of the Quendi]

For the new Argentina

What new government be?
Would Russia appoint a new leader?
How much of my original land did I keep.

Well if Gibberan gives me a sweet enough deal I am inclined to let America occupy (but probably not annex) Argentina. In such a scenario I would not try to get any land secession apart from the liberation of Uruguay.

I was talking about Brazil.

In that case we agree. I too would consider it more meaningful for so large and largely unexplored a country as Brazil to focus on its own interior, thats what I am doing with Russia.

But the same argument can easily be used of America and even the UK while it holds Canada and Australia.

[Senkaku]

Population (China): 360,000,000
Standing Military and Reserves: +/- 3,500,000 (only 200,000 with modern equipment)
Maximum Conscription (Native): 32,000,000
Country and Territories: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ion%29.svg
Head of State: Guangzu Emperor/Empress Dowager Cixi/Empress Dowager Ci'an/
Government Style: Absolute Monarchy
Primary Weapon: Dreyse Needle-Gun-(1870) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyse_needle_gun Mauser Model 1871-(Starting in 1871) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_Model_1871
Secondary Weapon: Unknown
Standard Artillery: Unknown
Main Naval Vessels: various wooden and ironclad vessels of the Beiyang, Nanyang, Fujian, and Guangdong Fleets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_China#Qing_Dynasty

[Timothia]

Quite the contrary. I would rather see Russia take the some Gabon and Congo coasts. It has already voiced its intention to colonize. I would even support them from Guinea.

Also, Seljuq and I need to resolve this Djibouti issue.

Russia has no intention of colonizing Africa it has merely voiced an interest in who gets to colonize what. And in that regard I don't see Russia being particularly hostile to a Brazilian colony (though OOC'ly I might question the sensibility and plausibility of such a colony)

It's not about the land or the people or the money: I realize that this will certainly drain my money without a perceivable pay off for a very long time, most likely beyond the frame of this RP. You also raise a good point about expanding into my interior (which I have been doing, particularly with the railroad I am attempting to finance, but that is another topic). However, it's not about the land or the people or the money: it's about the prestige.

i cannot be considered a great power until I have a colony, and "colonies" in the Amazon just don't cut it.

[Of the Quendi]

Population (China): 360,000,000
Standing Military and Reserves: +/- 3,500,000 (only 200,000 with modern equipment)
Maximum Conscription (Native): 32,000,000
Country and Territories: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ion%29.svg
Head of State: Guangzu Emperor/Empress Dowager Cixi/Empress Dowager Ci'an/
Government Style: Absolute Monarchy
Primary Weapon: Dreyse Needle-Gun-(1870) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyse_needle_gun Mauser Model 1871-(Starting in 1871) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_Model_1871
Secondary Weapon: Unknown
Standard Artillery: Unknown
Main Naval Vessels: various wooden and ironclad vessels of the Beiyang, Nanyang, Fujian, and Guangdong Fleets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_China#Qing_Dynasty

China has lost sizable territories in this RP and by extension also population.

Also I realize that the OP says China has Dreyse Needle-Guns and Mausers but I am fairly sure that that is a mistake, someone forgetting to edit out Prussian info from the China section.

It's not about the land or the people or the money: I realize that this will certainly drain my money without a perceivable pay off for a very long time, most likely beyond the frame of this RP. You also raise a good point about expanding into my interior (which I have been doing, particularly with the railroad I am attempting to finance, but that is another topic). However, it's not about the land or the people or the money: it's about the prestige.

i cannot be considered a great power until I have a colony, and "colonies" in the Amazon just don't cut it.

Russia has no colonies, I don't see anyone suicidal enough to question Russia's great power status.

But I see your point. How large a colony would you desire?