Mod-Sanctioned LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[The Flood]

Actually what he is talking about is the Roman Catholic sacrament of Holy Matrimony. We protestants do not have that. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with his view, he sees Holy Matrimony (the sacramental view in the context of his own personal religion) as something separate from the civil legal act. If anything, I wish more people espousing a personal religious view would be like him, rather than attempting to push their religion upon others.

I'm pretty sure that Protestant churches perform religiously based marriages.

I'm sure there are some sects that don't, Protestantism is very diverse.

[Tekania]

Actually what he is talking about is the Roman Catholic sacrament of Holy Matrimony. We protestants do not have that. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with his view, he sees Holy Matrimony (the sacramental view in the context of his own personal religion) as something separate from the civil legal act. If anything, I wish more people espousing a personal religious view would be like him, rather than attempting to push their religion upon others.

I'm pretty sure that Protestant churches perform religiously based marriages.

We perform marriages, yes, however marriage is not a sacrament in Reformed doctrine. "Holy Matrimony" is a sacramental act. Reformed doctrine only recognizes two sacramental acts, Baptism and Communion. Some protestants (such as Batists) recognize no sacraments..... baptism and communion are merely ordinaces in their doctrine.

[Unitaristic Regions]

He is also anti-atheism, euthanasia, secularisation and abortion.

I sure am. Don't see why you feel the need to point that out, though.

Because you oppose my views. I disagree with you...

Doesn't make you evil of course. Never meant that.

[Duvniask]

Yes, of course.

We have some catching up to do.

[Smilevia]

I don't think you understand, they were talking about Pagan persecution against Christians, not vice versa.

See quote. They did not try to kill every christian, and what do you think the reason for these persecution was? The christians refused to accept other religions and to accept the emperor as near-godlike. The Romans were very tolerant. Christians were not.

I understand fully.

[Annagrad]

Yes

[Unitaristic Regions]

See quote. They did not try to kill every christian, and what do you think the reason for these persecution was? The christians refused to accept other religions and to accept the emperor as near-godlike. The Romans were very tolerant. Christians were not.

I understand fully.

I am not convinced. You responded to a quote that said the Pagan world was tolerant. In that response you linked a page that stated the Christian world war intolerant, but you also said "Yah right" which typically means you are digressing the post you are replying to, which in this case you did the opposite through the link.

1. Quote was from link, stated my opinion of disagreeing.
2. Link stated that on top of this, the christians were the real dicks.
3. Yeah right is my way of sarcasm. Don't judge

[Oil exporting People]

No.

[The Serbian Empire]

I think the hadiths in Islam are even in stronger disapproval of gay marriage than the Catholic Church is.

Each denomination of Islam relies on a different set of hadiths and there are different categories of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

Unfortunately, too many read the ones that say stone the gays.

[Thori]

Personally, I disagree with Homosexuality at the very core of the lifestyle.
Am I a hateful bigot? I don't think holding an opinion against a perverse lifestyle is hateful. But then again, I've been proven wrong before.

[Scrjia]

Only if the Gay in question is to marry a heterosexual.
How can you question that marriage, nay LOVE, is entirely about how the sex organs interlock?!?

By being religious.

...by being religious you can question that love/marriage is entirely bout how sex organs interlock? Damn atheists and their "go forth and be fru- errr- spread thy genes"

[Need a Name]

Not sure, still debating with myself whether it should be legal.

[Geilinor]

Personally, I disagree with Homosexuality at the very core of the lifestyle.
Am I a hateful bigot? I don't think holding an opinion against a perverse lifestyle is hateful. But then again, I've been proven wrong before.

Is heterosexuality a lifestyle too?

[Blasveck]

Personally, I disagree with Homosexuality at the very core of the lifestyle.
Am I a hateful bigot? I don't think holding an opinion against a perverse lifestyle is hateful. But then again, I've been proven wrong before.

It isn't a lifestyle, sorry.

[Duvniask]

Not sure, still debating with myself whether it should be legal.

What is there to doubt?

[Cyyro]

I am not convinced. You responded to a quote that said the Pagan world was tolerant. In that response you linked a page that stated the Christian world war intolerant, but you also said "Yah right" which typically means you are digressing the post you are replying to, which in this case you did the opposite through the link.

1. Quote was from link, stated my opinion of disagreeing.
2. Link stated that on top of this, the christians were the real dicks.
3. Yeah right is my way of sarcasm. Don't judge

I guess that makes sense.

[Sun Wukong]

Personally, I disagree with Homosexuality at the very core of the lifestyle.
Am I a hateful bigot? I don't think holding an opinion against a perverse lifestyle is hateful. But then again, I've been proven wrong before.

Well you've failed to understand what you're arguing against even is. So yes. You are a bigot.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Personally, I disagree with Homosexuality at the very core of the lifestyle.
Am I a hateful bigot? I don't think holding an opinion against a perverse lifestyle is hateful. But then again, I've been proven wrong before.

1: Homosexuality isn't a lifestyle.
2: Hating people is hateful regardless of who they are.

[Lenciland]

Personally, I disagree with Homosexuality at the very core of the lifestyle.
Am I a hateful bigot? I don't think holding an opinion against a perverse lifestyle is hateful. But then again, I've been proven wrong before.

Why you hatin on another human man?

[Need a Name]

Not sure, still debating with myself whether it should be legal.

What is there to doubt?

Homosexuality is frowned upon in the bible, but people should be able to make their own decisions.

[Thori]

Personally, I disagree with Homosexuality at the very core of the lifestyle.
Am I a hateful bigot? I don't think holding an opinion against a perverse lifestyle is hateful. But then again, I've been proven wrong before.

It isn't a lifestyle, sorry.

Then what is it?

[Lenciland]

What is there to doubt?

Homosexuality is frowned upon in the bible, but people should be able to make their own decisions.

But in the US religion can't get involved with the state so the Bible is not a valid excuse for being hateful.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

What is there to doubt?

Homosexuality is frowned upon in the bible, but people should be able to make their own decisions.

No it ain't. The Torah is homophobic, but the Torah is a Jewish book, and only applies to Jews. For a Christian to follow Jewish scriptures would be an act of heresy.

[Lenciland]

It isn't a lifestyle, sorry.

Then what is it?

It's a genetic trait.

[Oil exporting People]

Well you've failed to understand what you're arguing against even is. So yes. You are a bigot.

So because he is taking a position opposite of yours, that makes him a bigot? That's called a difference in opinion.

...by being religious you can question that love/marriage is entirely bout how sex organs interlock? Damn atheists and their "go forth and be fru- errr- spread thy genes"

But Homosexuals don't spread their genes naturally.

It isn't a lifestyle, sorry.

Then what is it?