Yes.
When was the last time anybody in Northern Ireland had the chance to vote for a party that might actually form a government? When was the last time the governing party at Westminster had any votes from Northern Ireland? Never.
Democracy!
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by Nadkor » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:20 am
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by Napkiraly » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:22 am
Nadkor wrote:Alf Landon wrote:
Gotta love it. But in all seriousness, you from Northern Ireland then?
Yes.
When was the last time anybody in Northern Ireland had the chance to vote for a party that might actually form a government? When was the last time the governing party at Westminster had any votes from Northern Ireland? Never.
Democracy!
by The Nihilistic view » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:24 am
Nadkor wrote:Alf Landon wrote:
Gotta love it. But in all seriousness, you from Northern Ireland then?
Yes.
When was the last time anybody in Northern Ireland had the chance to vote for a party that might actually form a government? When was the last time the governing party at Westminster had any votes from Northern Ireland? Never.
Democracy!
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by Nadkor » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:27 am
Napkiraly wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Yes.
When was the last time anybody in Northern Ireland had the chance to vote for a party that might actually form a government? When was the last time the governing party at Westminster had any votes from Northern Ireland? Never.
Democracy!
I've always wondered why none of the big three parties run in NI...
by Alf Landon » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:34 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Yes.
When was the last time anybody in Northern Ireland had the chance to vote for a party that might actually form a government? When was the last time the governing party at Westminster had any votes from Northern Ireland? Never.
Democracy!
Don't the Tories and DUP have some kind of deal not to stand for the same seats?
by Woodstead » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:34 am
by Forsakia » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:36 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Yes.
When was the last time anybody in Northern Ireland had the chance to vote for a party that might actually form a government? When was the last time the governing party at Westminster had any votes from Northern Ireland? Never.
Democracy!
Don't the Tories and DUP have some kind of deal not to stand for the same seats?
by Angleter » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:37 am
Alf Landon wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
Don't the Tories and DUP have some kind of deal not to stand for the same seats?
No. That would be the UUP, and even then it wasn't about the Tories not standing in the same seats. None of the major national parties compete in Northern Ireland because, in answer to Napki, they basically felt their intervention would not have been helpful to the tension during the Troubles, and they haven't yet seen fit to decide otherwise. The deal between the Tories and the UUP was only that they basically put up a kind of joint candidate - it was mainly more about the UUP getting the extra resources, and the Tories tiptoeing into Northern Irish politics. If memory serves, the deal has since fallen apart, but I'm not sure.
by Nadkor » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:39 am
Forsakia wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
Don't the Tories and DUP have some kind of deal not to stand for the same seats?
That's the UUP, and I believe Nadkor is technically wrong since in 2010 UUP candidates were officially joint UUP and Conservative candidates. The agreements since broken up and the Conservatives are now back running on their own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_Conservatives
by Quintium » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:41 am
by Forsakia » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:46 am
Nadkor wrote:Forsakia wrote:
That's the UUP, and I believe Nadkor is technically wrong since in 2010 UUP candidates were officially joint UUP and Conservative candidates. The agreements since broken up and the Conservatives are now back running on their own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_Conservatives
Let's be realistic: the NI Conservatives are about as serious an effort as the Vote For Yourself Rainbow Dream Ticket party. I absolutely do not count them as the Conservatives actually standing in Northern Ireland.
by Peterovia » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:50 am
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Glasgia wrote:Where were you born? I thought you were Israeli because you were living there, but then you moved to the UK and now you're saying you're a South African citizen?
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by Nadkor » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:08 am
Forsakia wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Let's be realistic: the NI Conservatives are about as serious an effort as the Vote For Yourself Rainbow Dream Ticket party. I absolutely do not count them as the Conservatives actually standing in Northern Ireland.
UUP candidates in 2010 were joint conservative candidates, a vote for them was a vote for the Conservatives.
As for NI conservatives as they are now back to being. Parties have to start somewhere. Sure they'll probably do very badly in 2015, but if they run candidates then you have the opportunity to vote for them.
by Nadkor » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:10 am
Glasgia wrote:Nadkor wrote:
Fuck knows.
How is Northern Ireland meant to ever get away from shitty tribal politics if actual political parties with a chance of doing something don't stand here? It's nonsense.
You think the big three have a chance of doing something?... Even if they do manage to form a government.
by Forsakia » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:29 am
Nadkor wrote:Forsakia wrote:
UUP candidates in 2010 were joint conservative candidates, a vote for them was a vote for the Conservatives.
That was nothing more than Tom Elliot being desperate and trying to use a bigger name that he thought would resonate with his largely rural farming base to rescue his ailing party and his leadership (this was, in fact, confirmed to me by his then press officer who may or may not have had a few too many at a party I was at - I, clearly, go to the coolest parties, and one of the advantages of being a young woman who knows how to flirt is being able to get middle aged men who want to make you think they're vaguely important to tell you things they probably shouldn't), and was not, in any way shape or form, the Conservatives standing in Northern Ireland.As for NI conservatives as they are now back to being. Parties have to start somewhere. Sure they'll probably do very badly in 2015, but if they run candidates then you have the opportunity to vote for them.
The NI Conservatives haven't stood in my constituency (one of the four Belfast ones) in 17 years, and even if they do in 2015 it very much will not be the Conservative Party actually standing to try to get elected. It's essentially a bunch of UUP-ers bailing as that party collapses in on itself who, not wanting to admit defeat and join the DUP, adopt the Conservative name to try and seem even vaguely relevant or important.
But, you know, keep mansplaining Northern Irish politics to me. I clearly know nothing.
by Ariddia » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:34 am
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