In search of fighters!

[Maverica]

Maverican Department Of Defence

To: Nations of the world
From: The Maverican Department of Defence.

The Maverican military has been lately falling behind in air technology. We have been mostly using the F-14 for most combat missions but we have noticed they are not good fighters any more. So we are reaching out to the international community to get us a new fighter jet for our military. Here is a list of things to include.

To be a stealth fighter.
Be able to fight targets on the ground and air.
To be small and quick.
To have lots of maneuverability.
And to be able to have a good amount of weapons on it.

[Zatak]

Might I ask if there is any other requirements

[The New Lowlands]

The United Provinces recommends the UNADS F-29 "Warrior" multirole fighter if there are no further specifications.

[Alios territorys]

Alios is willing to send you 50 of our older f-117 stealth fighters along with 22 pilots to train your air force in their use,7 of these pilots will be sent in the more expensive YF-23 Black widow fighters for exhibition.

Yf-23



f-117

[Marshonia]

Aircraft? We here in Marshonia are experimenting with laser satellite tech. It proves to be quite effective. We are embroiled in wars right now so we can only expend a few. For powerful nations such as we both are, I'd say we both could agree on a reasonable price of say 50 million per unit? I'll only allow the maximum purchase of 4 though.

[Luepola]

Maverican Department Of Defence

To: Nations of the world
From: The Maverican Department of Defence.

The Maverican military has been lately falling behind in air technology. We have been mostly using the F-14 for most combat missions but we have noticed they are not good fighters any more. So we are reaching out to the international community to get us a new fighter jet for our military. Here is a list of things to include.

To be a stealth fighter.
Be able to fight targets on the ground and air.
To be small and quick.
To have lots of maneuverability.
And to be able to have a good amount of weapons on it.

Look no further than the J40M Multirole Stealth Fighter!

The J40M is the defining feature of Luepolan Air Superiority. Its stealth capabilities allow it to penetrate deep within enemy territory, remaining unseen until it is too late. The handling of the J40M is above-par, allowing it to outmaneuver other fighters of its type. The fighter also possesses two 20mm rotary cannons, an internal missile/bomb bay, and removable external hardpoints.

SPECS:

• Crew: 1 (Pilot)
• Capacity: 1
• Max Speed: Mach 1.8
• Range: 2,300 km on internal fuel
• Ceiling: 19,000 meters
• Armament:
  • 2x Internal 20mm Rotary
  • 2x Internal bays with 3x Hardpoints each
  • (Optional) 8x External Wing Hardpoints
  • (Optional) 1x Belly Hardpoint
  • (Optional) 2x Wingtip Hardpoint

Price: $65,000,000

This may be purchased at the Luepolan Military Industries storefront, linked in my signature below.

[Harkback Union]

Perhaps you would be interested in the V-22 Stealth Bomber Manufactured by the Union Aviation company?



They are excellent spy planes and stealth bombers that can render themselves invisible to radar, thermal vision and even the naked eye thanks to its advanced stealth system. Unlike other stealth planes, the V-22 is completely undetectable by all known technology. Its top speed is around 1300 Kilometers per hour at 6400 feet per second when not in stealth mode, and 450 Kilometers/hour when not using its jet engines...
It can carry heavy payloads. It can travel 36 kilometers without having to refuel when carrying no arnament, but only 27 kilometers if carrying a 12 ton payload...

It can also destroy fighter planes in short and medium range with its on-board lasers, or launch missiles on the long range. It can also handle guided bombs and missiles, and can bear the weight of nuclear arnaments.

Of course The UAV can change on the design if needed to accommodate different weapons. The plane costs 165 Million $ each, but There is a 10% discount if you buy at least 7... The company is willing to provide free training for your pilots and free maintenance service (also offers to sell Additional fuel and payload) for the plane for 35 years!

[Virana]

Perhaps you would be interested in the V-22 Stealth Bomber Manufactured by the Union Aviation company?

(Image)

They are excellent spy planes and stealth bombers that can render themselves invisible to radar, thermal vision and even the naked eye thanks to its advanced stealth system. Unlike other stealth planes, the V-22 is completely undetectable by all known technology. Its top speed is around 1300 meters at 6400 feet per second when not in stealth mode, and 450 meter per second when not using its jet engines...
It can carry heavy payloads. It can travel 36 kilometers without having to refuel when carrying no arnament, but only 27 kilometers if carrying a 12 ton payload...

It can also destroy fighter planes in short and medium range with its on-board lasers, or launch missiles on the long range. It can also handle guided bombs and missiles, and can bear the weight of nuclear arnaments.

Of course The UAV can change on the design if needed to accommodate different weapons. The plane costs 165 Million $ each, but There is a 10% discount if you buy at least 7... The company is willing to provide free training for your pilots and free maintenance service (also offers to sell Additional fuel and payload) for the plane for 35 years!

As an individual who has designed military equipment for MT purposes and an RP mentor, I'm going to go ahead and call godmod. Complete invisibility throughout the entire spectrum is physically impossible with any current or foreseeable future technology. And in the case of stealth planes, no stealth is so "advanced" as to be completely undetectable.

Also, it has a propeller. Not even a turboprop, but a propeller. It's not exactly going to be able to hold much payload or be very stealthy from the frontal aspect (which, btw, is the most important orientation from which aircraft are generally stealthiest). Your description is puzzling because you mix metric and Imperial units in a way that doesn't really make sense. Also, modern laser weapons can't usually destroy a whole fighter plane (yet). Finally, while there's nothing wrong with using the term "V-22" for your aircraft, the V-22 is a real life aircraft, which could cause some confusion.

If you'd like any help, feel free to TG me.

The United Provinces recommends the UNADS F-29 "Warrior" multirole fighter if there are no further specifications.

Why thanks for referring me!

---

Sender(s): Melinda Mushaf, Director of Global Solutions

To the esteemed and honorable representatives of Maverica,

United Aerospace Defense Systems, or UNADS, is a global aerospace and security company headquartered in the United Republic of Emmeria. We provide advanced solutions to our customers through our employees' innovation, performance, and unmatched integrity. As a global security, aerospace, and information technology company, UNADS serves the United Republic Department of Defense, federal executive agencies, and international government and some commercial customers by providing cutting edge products, services, and platforms.

We received notice of your request for proposals for stealth fighter jets with advanced capabilities for use with the Maverican military to replace the F-14 fighter jet in a combat capacity. We believe the UNADS F-29 Super Viper Joint Dominance Fighter, a 5th generation stealth multirole fighter, fits your requirements fairly well. Allow me to address each requirement individually.

• Stealth capability
  A proper stealthy design must expand the use of parallel edges on areas where multiple parts connect to each other, because it is necessary to avoid high-return shapes and attitude angles. The F-29 features a design using parallel lines that are not perpendicular to the frontal aspect of the aircraft. As a result, it inherently deflects radar waves to areas away from the front, vastly reducing the plane's radar cross section (RCS) from a frontal aspect. In order to provide advanced aerodynamics concurrent with a stealthy design, the F-29 relies on careful planform shaping and faceting with blended boundaries. Due to the extremely low level to which the RCS is reduced, otherwise trivial details become vital. For example, the F-29 must rely on serrated edges for access panels and doors, because otherwise, they would become significant sources for the enlargement of the aircraft's radar cross section
  
  Additionally, the F-29 features cutting edge radar-absorbing stealth material that is "cooked in" to the aircraft's composite-focused airframe, thereby not needing the extensive maintenance requirements nor reapplication of stealthy material over time that is inherent to traditional radar-absorbing paints. Over 50% of the materials that construct the aircraft are composites, vastly increasing aerodynamic performance and durability at a reduced weight.

• Multirole capability (engagement of aerial and ground targets)
  The F-29's design was optimized from the start to fit a flexible multirole profile with a focus on versatile strike capacity. Its airframe is built to enhance cruise and maneuver capabilities in the transonic regime, a flight envelope ideal for this role. The F-29's APG-90 SCAN low-probability of intercept AESA array contains numerous functions to perform long-range aerial combat and perform multiple ground attack roles, utilizing agile beam steering, synthetic aperture mapping, ground moving target identification, and a host of other methods to excel in these missions. The aircraft features a highly sophisticated sensor suite, including advanced electro-optical sensors providing situational awareness infrared search-and-track, that boost its capability to perform in any role. With a powerful sensor fusion computer, the aircraft can combine all data from all sensors and datalinks and display it to the pilot with little need for interpretation, allowing pilots to make difficult tactical decisions in combat.

• Small and high performance
  The F-29 Warrior is only 15.65 m (51.35 ft) in length, which places it in a "light fighter" category, a class that includes other versatile lightweight modern multiroles, like the Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon. The F-29 is over 3 meters shorter than its air superiority optimized cousin, the F-31 Wyvern, and is optimized to operate as a lightweight, nimble fighter.
  
  The F-29's design inherently provides advanced transonic maneuver capability. In a transonic mission profile, the F-29's control surfaces, sophisticated flight control system, and thrust vectoring control (for the F-29A/C) amalgamate to make a highly agile fighter. The aircraft's low wing loading makes it very maneuverable for high energy applications.

• Large weapons payload
  The F-29 has the capability to adapt to virtually any weapon system light enough for its pylons (and small enough if the weapon is to be fitted into the internal bays of the aircraft) through a relatively simple programming procedure under the oversight of UNADS. This provides end users the capacity to optimize the aircraft to their domestic weapons, while retaining compatibility with more common Emmerian and international weapon systems. This inherent versatility allows the aircraft to integrate with virtually any military force.
  
  Combined, the aircraft features 6 external hardpoints (3 on each wing) for storage of weapons, and has two large internal bays for stealthy carriage of missiles and bombs. Overall, the hardpoints can store up to 8,950 kg of weapons or fuel tanks using a combination of internal and external hardpoints loaded to their full capacity. This allows the F-29 to perform numerous contrasting mission profiles within a single operation, a swing-role versatility matched by few other aircraft.

The F-29 is a multirole fighter that serves an imperative role in Emmerian air defense strategy, combined with a number of legacy 4th and 4.5 generation fighters as well as the air superiority-focused F-31 Wyvern. Over 60,000 F-29s have been built for almost 50 countries worldwide, who utilize the F-29's advanced capabilities to provide themselves a decisive advantage in aerial warfare.

The individual flyaway cost for an F-29 is around $85 million Universal Standard dollars, a price accomplished through the economies of scale principle. However, nations purchasing the F-29 also pay for an export license, pilot and maintenance technician training, maintenance equipment, logistics, and a performance-based logistics plan. As such, the cost of purchasing the F-29 can be found here.

The federal government of the United Republic of Emmeria can authorize defense contractors to compete in international defense acquisition programs, providing sophisticated products to nations with similar objectives and defense goals. After a review, the United Republic Defense Security Assistance Agency (DSAA) has issued an arms export license to UNADS and other defense contractors responsible for the F-29 to allow us to participate in this competition.

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,
Melinda Mushaf
Director of Global Solutions
United Aerospace Defense Systems

1 Attachment: F-29 specifications

General Characteristics

• Crew: 1 (1 pilot)
• Length: 15.65 m (51.35 ft)
• Wingspan: 10.7 m (35.1 ft) (F-29A/B); 13.12 m (43.04 ft) (F-29C unfolded); 10.5 m (34.45 ft) (F-29C folded wingtips)
• Height: 4.3 m (14.11 ft)
• Wing area: 47.7 m² (513.44 sq ft²) (F-29A/B); 69.4 m² (747.02 ft²) (F-29C)
• Empty weight: 14,502 kg (31,972 lbs) (F-29A); 15,588 kg (34,366 lbs) (F-29B); 15,547 kg (34,275 lbs) (F-29C)
• Loaded weight: 23,470 kg (51,743 lbs) (F-29A); 24,556 kg (54,137 lbs) (F-29B); 24,515 kg (54,046 lbs) (F-29C)
• Maximum takeoff weight: 31,800 kg (70,107 lbs)
• Powerplant: 2× Bahar & Carter F151 multi-axis fluidic thrust vectoring turbofans (F-29A/C); 2× Bahar & Carter F152 multi-axis fluidic/conventional thrust vectoring turbofans with turboshaft
  • Dry thrust: 71 kN (15,961 lbf) each
  • Thrust with afterburner: 97.5 kN (21,918 lbf) each

Performance

• Maximum speed:
  • At altitude: Mach 1.61 (1,970 km/h; 1,230 mph) (tested to Mach 1.7)
  • Supercruise: Mach 1.02 (1,240 km/h; 770 mph)
• Ferry range: 4,200 km (2,270 nmi) with two external fuel tanks or conformal drop tanks
• Combat radius: 1,000 km (650 nmi) on internal fuel
• Wing loading: 377.12 kg/m² (77.24 lb/ft²) (F-29A)
• Thrust/weight: 0.85 (F-29A) (1.17 with loaded weight and 50% fuel)
• Maximum design g-load: -3.0/+9.0 g (F-29A); -3.0/+7.0 g (F-29B); -3.0/+9.0 g (F-29C)

Armament

• Guns (one of the following; none on F-29B STOVL, must be installed externally):
  • M61A2 Vulcan 20 mm 6-barreled rotary cannon
  • GAU-22/A Equalizer 25 mm 4-barreled rotary cannon
  • GAU-8/C Avenger 30 mm 4-barreled rotary cannon
• Hardpoints:
  • 4× under-wing hardpoints (2 per wing)
    • 2× AA/AS hardpoints (wet; 1 per wing) rated for 2300 kg
    • 2× AA/AS hardpoints (1 per wing) rated for 1150 kg
  • 2× near-wingtip single-load hardpoints (1 per wing) rated for 150 kg (A2A ordnance only)
  • 2× ordnance bays
    • 1× roof-mounted hardpoint per bay, rated for 1150 kg
    • 1× roof-mounted hardpoint per bay, rated for 300 kg (A2A ordnance only)
    • 1× door-mounted hardpoint per bay, rated for 300 kg (A2A ordnance only)
• Missiles
  • Air-to-air missiles
    • AIM-120 AMRAAM
    • MBDA Meteor
    • AIM-9X Sidewinder
    • IRIS-T
    • AIM-132 ASRAAM
    • Joint Weapons Program - AAMs
      • AIM-11X Python XSRM
      • AIM-145C Medusa XMRM
      • AIM-160 Golden Eagle XLRM
      • ASM-140 XASM
  • Air-to-surface missiles
    • AGM-158 JASSM
    • AGM-154 JSOW
    • Brimstone/MBDA SPEAR
    • Joint Air-to-ground Missile
    • Storm Shadow
    • SOM
    • Joint Strike Missile

Avionics

• Rayzero AN/APG-90 SCAN AESA radar and RWR (175 km against 1 m² targets for radar; 350 km for RWR)
• UAE Systems AN/ASQ-144 STRIKE remote operated targeting unit
  • LANTIRN low-altitude night operations subsystem
• AN/AAQ-38 electro-optical Distributed Aperture System missile warning and situational awareness system
• Southard-Ackerman AN/ALQ-43 SPECTRA defensive aids system
  • Radar and laser warning receivers
  • Southard-Ackerman AN/ASQ-392 electronic warfare system

[/list]

[Pharthan]

Perhaps you would be interested in the V-22 Stealth Bomber Manufactured by the Union Aviation company?

((OOC: Okay, I don't typically denounce my competitors on advertisement pages, but seriously?
First off, You offer no explanation as to why your aircraft is perfectly stealthy - which would be a feat, as it's propeller driven.
Second, like Virana said, you're not really breaking the mold by calling it a V-22 - which, like he said, actual aircraft, nor does your aircraft appear to warrant the name of having a "V" in the designator, though I can overlook that based on different naming codes on your country.
"Advanced Stealth Systems." Seeing as it appears you've managed to cover the majority of the Electromagnetic Spectrum, I'd like to know how this is done - metamaterials, which would have hard time with your aircraft - only do certain wavelengths and still have yet to be reliable in any manner of the visible spectrum.

In short, even a PMT nation would have a hard time with this aircraft.))

Maverica,

We at Halcyon Arms would like to invite you to survey our storefront for our many wares. Most of our products are pre-built, prior to orders, and as such we have a wide array of arms for you to select from that you can have on your doorstep within a matter of days.

We believe our F/A-33 Wolf will fit the billet best as to your needs, fitting them all and being a perfectly carrier-capable STOL fighter, or, pending on your desires, we can also offer the F/A-70 Panther II, which is more suited for an Interceptor, though will normally function quite well in multirole facets.


Very Respectfully,
Tyler Jacobs,
CEO of Halcyon Arms

[Harkback Union]

@ Pharthan
Our technology is classified.

Aside from the regular Radar-absorbent stuff, The V-22 Is capable of displaying an artificial cloud around itself. This is achieved by dispersing a small web behind the plane filled with coolant. This makes most optical radar mistake the plane as part of the cloud. This significantly reduces the plane's speed as the jet engines have to be shut down... not to mention the drag of the web.

[Pharthan]

@ Pharthan
Our technology is classified.
Aside from the regular Radar-absorbent stuff, The V-22 Is capable of displaying an artificial cloud around itself. This is achieved by dispersing a small web behind the plane filled with coolant. This makes most optical radar mistake the plane as part of the cloud. This significantly reduces the plane's speed as the jet engines have to be shut down... not to mention the drag of the web.

((Completely ignoring the fact that they'd still be seeing a cloud moving at what would be otherwise ridiculous speeds for a cloud on their radar, eh? BTW, clouds still show up, nor do they render aircraft "invisible," at least not to more powerful radars.

Nor does this ignore the fact that you'd have to have something to reliably emit the cloud ahead of your aircraft, the assembly for which would have to be massive.
Still doesn't render you invisible in the visible or infrared spectrum. "Hey, what's that really fast moving cloud?"
"Dunno, but it CERTAINLY couldn't be a plane, nor is it at suspicious!"

More realistically:
"Hey, we've got a contact at [insert coordinates] moving at just over Mach 1... looks like a cloud, you should go check it out."
"Yeah, no f'ing way is that a cloud."

You've got a propeller driven aircraft (when you're "stealthed") moving at over Mach 1, and nearly Mach 4 when you have jet engines. I understand you didn't draw it, but now way is that aircraft ever hitting Mach 4 without ripping itself to shreds first.

In short, yeah, you didn't think this out well, nor does it at all work.))

[Huda]

@ Pharthan
Our technology is classified.

Aside from the regular Radar-absorbent stuff, The V-22 Is capable of displaying an artificial cloud around itself. This is achieved by dispersing a small web behind the plane filled with coolant. This makes most optical radar mistake the plane as part of the cloud. This significantly reduces the plane's speed as the jet engines have to be shut down... not to mention the drag of the web.

((Completely ignoring the fact that they'd still be seeing a cloud moving at what would be otherwise ridiculous speeds for a cloud on their radar, eh? BTW, clouds still show up, nor do they render aircraft "invisible," at least not to more powerful radars.

Nor does this ignore the fact that you'd have to have something to reliably emit the cloud ahead of your aircraft, the assembly for which would have to be massive.
Still doesn't render you invisible in the visible or infrared spectrum. "Hey, what's that really fast moving cloud?"
"Dunno, but it CERTAINLY couldn't be a plane, nor is it at suspicious!"))

((Phartan has a point. Also, it takes time to make a cloud, doesn't it? And if I were to make an e.g like Phartan:
"Say, what is that cloud, huh? It's huge and massive, and fast" a boy says, with his sweetheart.
"Whatever honey..." She said.
The cloud falls off, if engines are on...or radar, or perhaps a SU-37/MiG-35/F-15SE were patrolling, discover, but ur engines are off, so they may intercept easily.

[Harkback Union]

@ Pharthan
Our technology is classified.

Aside from the regular Radar-absorbent stuff, The V-22 Is capable of displaying an artificial cloud around itself. This is achieved by dispersing a small web behind the plane filled with coolant. This makes most optical radar mistake the plane as part of the cloud. This significantly reduces the plane's speed as the jet engines have to be shut down... not to mention the drag of the web.

((Completely ignoring the fact that they'd still be seeing a cloud moving at what would be otherwise ridiculous speeds for a cloud on their radar, eh? BTW, clouds still show up, nor do they render aircraft "invisible," at least not to more powerful radars.

Nor does this ignore the fact that you'd have to have something to reliably emit the cloud ahead of your aircraft, the assembly for which would have to be massive.
Still doesn't render you invisible in the visible or infrared spectrum. "Hey, what's that really fast moving cloud?"
"Dunno, but it CERTAINLY couldn't be a plane, nor is it at suspicious!"))

The plane does not go straight while in stealth. It glides around its cloud, making it appear much slower... It can also use other clouds to speed up...

[Pharthan]

The plane does not go straight while in stealth. It glides around its cloud, making it appear much slower... It can also use other clouds to speed up...

Clouds are a good way to avoid enemies in dogfights or help spook missiles. Any good Air Force is going to be like "Lol, he's trying to use a cloud." That's far from being invisible by any means. Powerful radars are still going to find you.

That, and you're entirely relying upon weather conditions, so even you never know when you're going to be able to use that function. Good luck on long-range strikes (which, for you are an astounding 34 kilometers - less than a marathon.

You've also got your plane spec'd to be going over Mach 1 when on nothing but propeller, and nearly Mach 4 otherwise. Yeah. No. Not possible. Not with that wing configuration.
That would, however, explain your range: your aircraft are apparently launched by cannon, whereupon they hit Mach 4 and rip themselves to shreds, reducing their range drastically.

[Harkback Union]

The plane does not go straight while in stealth. It glides around its cloud, making it appear much slower... It can also use other clouds to speed up...

Clouds are a good way to avoid enemies in dogfights or help spook missiles. Any good Air Force is going to be like "Lol, he's trying to use a cloud." That's far from being invisible by any means. Powerful radars are still going to find you.

That, and you're entirely relying upon weather conditions, so even you never know when you're going to be able to use that function. Good luck on long-range strikes (which, for you are an astounding 34 kilometers - less than a marathon.

You've also got your plane spec'd to be going over Mach 1 when on nothing but propeller, and nearly Mach 4 otherwise. Yeah. No. Not possible. Not with that wing configuration.
That would, however, explain your range: your aircraft are apparently launched by cannon, whereupon they hit Mach 4 and rip themselves to shreds, reducing their range drastically.

Actually they wont be striking targets over 17 kilometers unless they are willing to sacrifice the plane.
I meant Kilometer/hour there. Will fix that...
Actually, no. They will not find a plane hidden in a cloud if they don't know where to look...

[Riysa]

Clouds are a good way to avoid enemies in dogfights or help spook missiles. Any good Air Force is going to be like "Lol, he's trying to use a cloud." That's far from being invisible by any means. Powerful radars are still going to find you.

That, and you're entirely relying upon weather conditions, so even you never know when you're going to be able to use that function. Good luck on long-range strikes (which, for you are an astounding 34 kilometers - less than a marathon.

You've also got your plane spec'd to be going over Mach 1 when on nothing but propeller, and nearly Mach 4 otherwise. Yeah. No. Not possible. Not with that wing configuration.
That would, however, explain your range: your aircraft are apparently launched by cannon, whereupon they hit Mach 4 and rip themselves to shreds, reducing their range drastically.

Actually they wont be striking targets over 17 kilometers unless they are willing to sacrifice the plane.
I meant Kilometer/hour there. Will fix that...
Actually, no. They will not find a plane hidden in a cloud if they don't know where to look...

The even bigger problem is - HOW are you generating a cloud that stays around your aircraft? Not to mention that it does zero to radar.

Also, air-to-air missiles are area-of-effect weapons, so you don't need to aim precisely at the aircraft to get a kill.

[Harkback Union]

Actually they wont be striking targets over 17 kilometers unless they are willing to sacrifice the plane.
I meant Kilometer/hour there. Will fix that...
Actually, no. They will not find a plane hidden in a cloud if they don't know where to look...

The even bigger problem is - HOW are you generating a cloud that stays around your aircraft? Not to mention that it does zero to radar.

Also, air-to-air missiles are area-of-effect weapons, so you don't need to aim precisely at the aircraft to get a kill.

It doesn't have to stay around the aircraft. Its enough if its right behind the aircraft to fool the radar..

[Riysa]

The even bigger problem is - HOW are you generating a cloud that stays around your aircraft? Not to mention that it does zero to radar.

Also, air-to-air missiles are area-of-effect weapons, so you don't need to aim precisely at the aircraft to get a kill.

It doesn't have to stay around the aircraft. Its enough if its right behind the aircraft to fool the radar..

Uh, no. Radar works by bouncing electromagnetic radiation off of a target. It will detect a huge hunk of metal flying in the skies (which reflects a lot), as opposed to a smoke cloud (which mostly does not).

And no, hiding behind a cloud won't hide you from radar units because the waves will go past the smoke and air, and bounce off of your hunk of metal.

[Harkback Union]

It doesn't have to stay around the aircraft. Its enough if its right behind the aircraft to fool the radar..

Uh, no. Radar works by bouncing electromagnetic radiation off of a target. It will detect a huge hunk of metal flying in the skies (which reflects a lot), as opposed to a smoke cloud (which mostly does not).

And no, hiding behind a cloud won't hide you from radar units because the waves will go past the smoke and air, and bounce off of your hunk of metal.

Except for the waves are absorbed by the stealth hull...

[Riysa]

Uh, no. Radar works by bouncing electromagnetic radiation off of a target. It will detect a huge hunk of metal flying in the skies (which reflects a lot), as opposed to a smoke cloud (which mostly does not).

And no, hiding behind a cloud won't hide you from radar units because the waves will go past the smoke and air, and bounce off of your hunk of metal.

Except for the waves are absorbed by the stealth hull...

Which is made of?

Shape and materials are highly important. Not to mention the latest stealth bomber, the B-2, cost almost a billion dollars a unit.

Also, nothing perfectly absorbs or scatters radar waves. As processing technology continues to move forward, it will be easier and easier to detect even the low radar returns of LO aircraft. Not to mention the other means of detection.

Also, I saw naked eye invisbility. Not even possible.

[Harkback Union]

Except for the waves are absorbed by the stealth hull...

Which is made of?

Shape and materials are highly important. Not to mention the latest stealth bomber, the B-2, cost almost a billion dollars a unit.

Also, nothing perfectly absorbs or scatters radar waves. As processing technology continues to move forward, it will be easier and easier to detect even the low radar returns of LO aircraft. Not to mention the other means of detection.

Also, I saw naked eye invisbility. Not even possible.

Its made of plastics and various Composites, and very sensitive radars don't work near clouds.
We had to lower our price to compete with the other planes.
Nothing could notice a plane right next to a cloud.., especially not during night.

[Riysa]

We had to lower our price to compete with the other planes.

That's bad business policy right there. If its not profitable or cost-effective, don't build it.

Its made of plastics and various Composites, and very sensitive radars don't work near clouds.

Clouds don't affect radar.

Nothing could notice a plane right next to a cloud.., especially not during night.

A lot of things could. It only works if you are trying to hide your plane from visual sight, such as during a dogfight, which aren't common in the day and age of BVRAAMs. In fact, that's a dubious point, considering the rising prevalence of IRST sensors.

Furthermore, as I and others before and better than me have said, nothing's completely invisible. Its beyond any current, modern, or forseeable future technology, and quite possibly violates the laws of physics, which is impossible.

[Harkback Union]

We had to lower our price to compete with the other planes.

That's bad business policy right there. If its not profitable or cost-effective, don't build it.

Its made of plastics and various Composites, and very sensitive radars don't work near clouds.

Clouds don't affect radar.

Nothing could notice a plane right next to a cloud.., especially not during night.

A lot of things could. It only works if you are trying to hide your plane from visual sight, such as during a dogfight, which aren't common in the day and age of BVRAAMs. In fact, that's a dubious point, considering the rising prevalence of IRST sensors.

Furthermore, as I and others before and better than me have said, nothing's completely invisible. Its beyond any current, modern, or forseeable future technology, and quite possibly violates the laws of physics, which is impossible.

Who said it isn't profitable? Less profitable? Yes.

Clouds do affect some radars. Bad weather renders many of them unreliable.

Our planes are not designed to fight dogfights. Its Stealth systems are designed to avoid detection while in transit, not while in combat. You can spot planes from the ground and from space too, so our crafts are designed Clouds do provide excellent cover, and the artificial cloud can assist the plane to remain unseen while jumping from cloud to cloud.

Under "notice", I meant Visual Detection, Since thermal and radar are already covered.

I never said its completely invisible. All I said is that its undetectable by today's technology...

[Riysa]

That's bad business policy right there. If its not profitable or cost-effective, don't build it.



Clouds don't affect radar.



A lot of things could. It only works if you are trying to hide your plane from visual sight, such as during a dogfight, which aren't common in the day and age of BVRAAMs. In fact, that's a dubious point, considering the rising prevalence of IRST sensors.

Furthermore, as I and others before and better than me have said, nothing's completely invisible. Its beyond any current, modern, or forseeable future technology, and quite possibly violates the laws of physics, which is impossible.

Who said it isn't profitable? Less profitable? Yes.

Clouds do affect some radars. Bad weather renders many of them unreliable.

Our planes are not designed to fight dogfights. Its Stealth systems are designed to avoid detection while in transit, not while in combat. You can spot planes from the ground and from space too, so our crafts are designed Clouds do provide excellent cover, and the artificial cloud can assist the plane to remain unseen while jumping from cloud to cloud.

Under "notice", I meant Visual Detection, Since thermal and radar are already covered.

I never said its completely invisible. All I said is that its undetectable by today's technology...

1. As I said, the latest stealth bomber cost nearly a billion dollars, and put a hole in the defense budget.

2. Military radars are not affected by weather.

Rest: Which is impossible.

We've already made our points, but you seem unwilling to listen, so I'm not going to waste my time on this.

[Pharthan]

I never said its completely invisible. All I said is that its undetectable by today's technology...

No, you said "completely undetectable," to include visible light-spectrum.

...the V-22 is completely undetectable by all known technology...

Including Mk I Eyeball. There are systems that can do that, true, but they generate a ton of heat - ergo, I'm still trying to figure out how you meant to avoid infrared detection. Or radar. Considering none of your methods are 100% effective. Clouds are only effective against other fighters, not ground based or AWACS based - and even then, a modern fighter can still find you in a cloud.
Not to mention you still have a propeller, which isn't stealthy.

It can travel 36 kilometers without having to refuel when carrying no arnament, but only 27 kilometers if carrying a 12 ton payload...

If you didn't mean range of flight, you really need to be more careful, because every indication here says you meant how far the aircraft could fly.

The plane costs 165 Million $ each,

WTF? Less than a Raptor but it's got ERMAGHERD systems on it? \

The company is willing to provide free training for your pilots and free maintenance service (also offers to sell Additional fuel and payload) for the plane for 35 years!

And you still expect to make money on this thing? With all of those high-maintenance systems and stealth?

Look, I know everyone on NS isn't the best at designing stuff and a lot of people like to have fun trying to think outside of the box, but I do expect you to use this or [url=en.wikipedia.org]this[/url] now and then.