OOC 1870 RP (Open)

[The Time Alliance]

-Personality Life
- The Antiquity rp
-History of Man

In one single IC thread?

No. He said RP not IC thread.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

In one single IC thread?

No. He said RP not IC thread.

Aye, but how many of those use one IC thread?

[Kryskov]

Aye, but how many of those use one IC thread?

What difference does that make, aside from when they reboot themselves?

[Alleniana]

Aye, but how many of those use one IC thread?

What difference does that make, aside from when they reboot themselves?

Exactly...

[Kryskov]

Excalibur didn't exactly have to reboot itself, iirc.

[Alleniana]

HoM rebooted once, 1202 rebooted 2 times, WWI thingy rebooted 2 times, not sure about PL, ES or EH.

[Glasgia]

I'm sorry guys, but I think I'm gonna quit this RP. I just can't seem to write anything at the moment and think a break will do me good. If Britain wants to continue the war, my strategy would be:

Draw the British army inland, retreating, and check them with sixty thousand at Alencon, using the Sarthe river as cover. If you comitt to pursuing my retreat, the reserves at Evreux (twenty thousand) would march east and, as soon as you commit to battle, hit you in the rear. All the time, I'd be using insurgents and cavalry raids to cut off your supply lines.

[Alleniana]

I'm sorry guys, but I think I'm gonna quit this RP. I just can't seem to write anything at the moment and think a break will do me good. If Britain wants to continue the war, my strategy would be:

Draw the British army inland, retreating, and check them with sixty thousand at Alencon, using the Sarthe river as cover. If you comitt to pursuing my retreat, the reserves at Evreux (twenty thousand) would march east and, as soon as you commit to battle, hit you in the rear. All the time, I'd be using insurgents and cavalry raids to cut off your supply lines.

Oh, well, bye. :/

[Of the Quendi]

Wool, beef and the like will remain useful and on the other side of Europe's cycle for perpetuity while nitre is much more of a boom-rush-bang-collapse resource industry, sort of the way guano was in Chinca Islands. As for copper, that will be most useful, but it should always be noted that the vast lands can support indefinitely more people than the Atacama's deserts.

It would not keep with US policy (Monroe) to allow Russia to put its thumb so deep in the South American pie as well, so to speak, and in any case, I'm fairly sure I have better relations with the US than Russia does. As for UK, that is true, but I am sure Austria and Prussia are also willing to step up to keep the Slavic behemoth from going global. And as to Brazil, I am sure they wouldn't mind rubber-rich Acre, and in addition, they are part of LAEP, as well as an ally notwithstanding (they're at Concepcion too).

Argentina was a special case; they got big, and plunged headfirst into European politics unready, and they got slapped right out again. As for MICOC, that is self-serving; three of its members are in Latin America, while Italy is somewhat irrelevant to Russia directly, and we'd be willing to concede Ottomans' stuff, seeing as they are NPC and rather useless with even Egypt slipping out of their grasp. In fact, it has been so inactive, it may soon be disbanded. In fact, if Russia is willing to totally step away from Chile (inc. Patagonia) and Bolivia, I'll leave MICOC, except for the bank they established, since I don't really want to break any financial institutions. LAEP is purely economic, and no more. It defends its members, trades among them, and does nothing else.

On the other hand, if Russia is not willing to accept LAEP neutrality and Chile puttings its hands off MICOC, then misinformation campaigns can be started, allies gathered, reeducation commenced, and should war come, Russian troops and ships will be of a much inferior quality to those of Chile in general, which, combined with LAEP's mutual-defense treaty and perhaps some other Europeans allies I can garner, may well be able to fend off Russia, at the very least.

The copper of Bolivia's Litoral Department has had a far greater impact on the Chilean Economy than the southern half of Patagonia could ever have. Southern Patagonia may be larger but the land isn't particularly useful.

The Monroe Doctrine has been abandoned. The US permitted the Russian invasion of Argentina clearly indicating that the US will not insist on the Monroe Doctrine. As for Russia putting its thumb down on Latin America the whole point of the Rio Conference is to negotiate terms which the US and UK (and Brazil) can accept. Brazilian willingness to take Acre from Peru doesn't diminish the capacity for Russia-Patagonia to simultaneously seize Southern Patagonia. Austria and Prussia's naval capacities does not much scare me.

Your MICOC concessions are too little too late.

As for Russian ships and soldiers being inferior in quality to those of Chile that is rubbish. In 1870 the Russian army is inferior in quality only to the Prussian, British, French and possibly American armies, it is certainly a more potent force than Latin American backwaters. As for the navy I have about some 20+ ironclads some of which weighing 5,000 tones, Chile doesn't have a single one.

OK, we need more people. As soon as Africa is divided, Europe will turn to the east, towards China. Sadly, we don't have a player for China or Japan. Anyone know any good RPers?

The Cairo Conference will not be the end to the scramble for Africa.

Oh fuq, I meant Jules Favre.

That makes more sense.

[Alleniana]

Wool, beef and the like will remain useful and on the other side of Europe's cycle for perpetuity while nitre is much more of a boom-rush-bang-collapse resource industry, sort of the way guano was in Chinca Islands. As for copper, that will be most useful, but it should always be noted that the vast lands can support indefinitely more people than the Atacama's deserts.

It would not keep with US policy (Monroe) to allow Russia to put its thumb so deep in the South American pie as well, so to speak, and in any case, I'm fairly sure I have better relations with the US than Russia does. As for UK, that is true, but I am sure Austria and Prussia are also willing to step up to keep the Slavic behemoth from going global. And as to Brazil, I am sure they wouldn't mind rubber-rich Acre, and in addition, they are part of LAEP, as well as an ally notwithstanding (they're at Concepcion too).

Argentina was a special case; they got big, and plunged headfirst into European politics unready, and they got slapped right out again. As for MICOC, that is self-serving; three of its members are in Latin America, while Italy is somewhat irrelevant to Russia directly, and we'd be willing to concede Ottomans' stuff, seeing as they are NPC and rather useless with even Egypt slipping out of their grasp. In fact, it has been so inactive, it may soon be disbanded. In fact, if Russia is willing to totally step away from Chile (inc. Patagonia) and Bolivia, I'll leave MICOC, except for the bank they established, since I don't really want to break any financial institutions. LAEP is purely economic, and no more. It defends its members, trades among them, and does nothing else.

On the other hand, if Russia is not willing to accept LAEP neutrality and Chile puttings its hands off MICOC, then misinformation campaigns can be started, allies gathered, reeducation commenced, and should war come, Russian troops and ships will be of a much inferior quality to those of Chile in general, which, combined with LAEP's mutual-defense treaty and perhaps some other Europeans allies I can garner, may well be able to fend off Russia, at the very least.

The copper of Bolivia's Litoral Department has had a far greater impact on the Chilean Economy than the southern half of Patagonia could ever have. Southern Patagonia may be larger but the land isn't particularly useful.

The Monroe Doctrine has been abandoned. The US permitted the Russian invasion of Argentina clearly indicating that the US will not insist on the Monroe Doctrine. As for Russia putting its thumb down on Latin America the whole point of the Rio Conference is to negotiate terms which the US and UK (and Brazil) can accept. Brazilian willingness to take Acre from Peru doesn't diminish the capacity for Russia-Patagonia to simultaneously seize Southern Patagonia. Austria and Prussia's naval capacities does not much scare me.

Your MICOC concessions are too little too late.

As for Russian ships and soldiers being inferior in quality to those of Chile that is rubbish. In 1870 the Russian army is inferior in quality only to the Prussian, British, French and possibly American armies, it is certainly a more potent force than Latin American backwaters. As for the navy I have about some 20+ ironclads some of which weighing 5,000 tones, Chile doesn't have a single one.

Perhaps, but I have just as good a claim on both, so if I can keep them, I will.

US will not insist in all cases, but I am on good terms with them, whereas Argentina pissed them off. As for Brazil's willingness to take Acre, well, they will not be glad when Russia tries to stop that, as it is in the same vein as me taking Atacama, no? As to Austria and Prussia, they should. Russia's are much inferior.

In 1870, Russia's armies are inferior to most except in number. In 1914, I believe, they only had a gun to every few soldiers, and I don't imagine Russia would be hugely better at this point. Chile's soldiers, however, are nearing European standards, having many Prussians come to train, as well as establishing new institutions and reforms. As to the ironclads, true, but I think the US, or even France's should be more than a match for that.

As for MICOC, I don't see why. Your goal is to stop South America from being anti Russian. Brazil is willing to cooperate, I'm indifferent, Argentina is crazy, Colombia indifferent, Mexico indifferent and distant. We have no have to project our power to Russia, and you hope to somehow reduce that nonexistent capacity lower?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

I'm sorry guys, but I think I'm gonna quit this RP. I just can't seem to write anything at the moment and think a break will do me good. If Britain wants to continue the war, my strategy would be:

Draw the British army inland, retreating, and check them with sixty thousand at Alencon, using the Sarthe river as cover. If you comitt to pursuing my retreat, the reserves at Evreux (twenty thousand) would march east and, as soon as you commit to battle, hit you in the rear. All the time, I'd be using insurgents and cavalry raids to cut off your supply lines.

Damn shame. I don't suppose we could entice you to play Leon Gambetta/Thiers and his Fourth Republic, or for that matter Italy, could we?

[Alleniana]

Also, Quendi, you could, instead, establish a considerably more powerful state in Uruguay, instead of doing Patagonia. There, there is a somewhat more civilized, population dense and easier to pwoer-project pop to work with,

[Glasgia]

I'm sorry guys, but I think I'm gonna quit this RP. I just can't seem to write anything at the moment and think a break will do me good. If Britain wants to continue the war, my strategy would be:

Draw the British army inland, retreating, and check them with sixty thousand at Alencon, using the Sarthe river as cover. If you comitt to pursuing my retreat, the reserves at Evreux (twenty thousand) would march east and, as soon as you commit to battle, hit you in the rear. All the time, I'd be using insurgents and cavalry raids to cut off your supply lines.

Damn shame. I don't suppose we could entice you to play Leon Gambetta/Thiers and his Fourth Republic, or for that matter Italy, could we?

Nah, it's not about the country - I was enjoying playing as the Commune and looking forward to fighting off the Brits. I've just had writers block for the past few days and any time I try to write a post, it becomes a chore rather than something fun to do.

[Of the Quendi]

Perhaps, but I have just as good a claim on both, so if I can keep them, I will.

US will not insist in all cases, but I am on good terms with them, whereas Argentina pissed them off. As for Brazil's willingness to take Acre, well, they will not be glad when Russia tries to stop that, as it is in the same vein as me taking Atacama, no? As to Austria and Prussia, they should. Russia's are much inferior.

In 1870, Russia's armies are inferior to most except in number. In 1914, I believe, they only had a gun to every few soldiers, and I don't imagine Russia would be hugely better at this point. Chile's soldiers, however, are nearing European standards, having many Prussians come to train, as well as establishing new institutions and reforms. As to the ironclads, true, but I think the US, or even France's should be more than a match for that.

Why would Russian willingness to invade Southern Patagonia threaten a Brazilian desire to take Acre? They are welcome to have it, in fact if they support giving Southern Patagonia to a Kingdom of Patagonia Russia will support it.

Also you very much underestimate the military prowess of the Russian Empire. Even in WWI Russia broke the back of Austria-Hungary, winning the largest battle in the entire war. More than seven million Central Power soldiers was lost on the Eastern Front, more than on the Western Front, as was the future of the Habsburg Empire. In the end the German Empire, then the greatest military power on the planet, and internal problems proved too much and Russia was defeated. But that took three years and three empires to accomplish that.

And that was 1914-17, this is 1870. In 1870 the Russian Empire is comparatively stronger than in 1914. Its economy is the largest in the world (colonies not counted) and a number of progressive and talented men lead the Empire, Milyutin has introduced revolutionary reforms of the Russian military that make it more able than it was in 1914. I very seriously doubt any Latin American country can match Russia.

As for Chile the Prussian experts arrived in 1886 and I doubt very much that they ever made Chile on par with the leading European nations in terms of military power.

The US and France may be able to defeat Russia at sea (The US can't right now, their Civil War ironclads where largely decommissioned but they can probably rebuild their naval capacity quickly) but Chile can't. Through most of this period the Russian Navy was the third strongest in the world, considerably behind the UK and France but fairly comfortably ahead of everyone else at least until the German Empire really began building ships and that is still many years into the future.

Also, Quendi, you could, instead, establish a considerably more powerful state in Uruguay, instead of doing Patagonia. There, there is a somewhat more civilized, population dense and easier to pwoer-project pop to work with,

I have thought about it but even though Uruguay will owe its independence to Russia it will also have owed its initial conquest to Russia so I can't rely on Uruguay to be a Russian supporter.

Can't I just trade you some land along the border Argentine-Chilean border instead of Patagonia?

[Gibberan]

Not sure if advertising is allowed here, but there is a 1950s era nation RP here and since I know we've got some of the best roleplayers here, I though maybe someone would like to join.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Not sure if advertising is allowed here, but there is a 1950s era nation RP here and since I know we've got some of the best roleplayers here, I though maybe someone would like to join.

It ain't, actually. Apologies, but may this post be the last advertisement within this thread.

[Maqtrybama]

Time Alliance said you needed me, so I have returned, am I still Russia or do you need me to RP as some other nation?

[Jamessonia]

I'm here if needed... not making any promises as to activity though.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Well, our priorities are:

1. France (the Provisional Government of National Defense (aka Fourth Republic) in Tours or the French Commune especially)
2. Sublime Ottoman State (I have sent a letter to the previous player, Phoenix, and I would prefer him answer the missive first, but if you want to in a manner that I have agreed with Phoenix, sure, go ahead)
3. Italy (aims to conquer the Papal States and reunite Italy once and for all, which it hasn't yet — troops have been stationed at the border)
4. Spain (a King has not been crowned yet (yes, Shimon and the previous Spanish players dun goof'd; they currently have a provisional cortes); they have already approached Leopold Hohenzollern, and are awaiting his acceptance, as in real life)
5. Portugal. Bombarded and massacred some African natives, and the Conference in Cairo wishes to call them out on it. Not to mention the previous player's actions were godmod (conquering land the size of South Africa over a week, without any mention of malaria, yellow fever, dysentery, cholera, etc.)
6. China (shit might blow down there soon; I am looking forward to a Boxer Rebellion)

Probably a South American nation (Afro-Eurasiocentricism/East Hemisphere centrism ftw)

You are welcome to play any protectorates or dominions. Maqtrybama, I have read your previous posts, and in my opinion the YSGAP was a mess and unrealistic; the current Russian player even denounced it in character as Alexander II having a fit of dementia.

Damnit Yalos, I was about to intervene in Korea Jesus Kim, lost in sight but not in mind.

By the way, we are having several conferences (one in Cairo is discussing the Partition of Africa, among other things), and once they are done, we will undergo a timeskip to 1875.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Time Alliance said you needed me, so I have returned, am I still Russia or do you need me to RP as some other nation?

Russia is taken by another player.

[Jamessonia]

Well, our priorities are:

1. France (the Provisional Government of National Defense (aka Fourth Republic) in Tours or the French Commune especially)
2. Sublime Ottoman State (I have sent a letter to the previous player, Phoenix, and I would prefer him answer the missive first, but if you want to in a manner that I have agreed with Phoenix, sure, go ahead)
3. Italy (aims to conquer the Papal States and reunite Italy once and for all, which it hasn't yet — troops have been stationed at the border)
4. Spain (a King has not been crowned yet (yes, Shimon and the previous Spanish players dun goof'd; they currently have a provisional cortes); they have already approached Leopold Hohenzollern, and are awaiting his acceptance, as in real life)
5. Portugal. Bombarded and massacred some African natives, and the Conference in Cairo wishes to call them out on it. Not to mention the previous player's actions were godmod (conquering land the size of South Africa over a week, without any mention of malaria, yellow fever, dysentery, cholera, etc.)
6. China (shit might blow down there soon; I am looking forward to a Boxer Rebellion)

Probably a South American nation (Afro-Eurasiocentricism/East Hemisphere centrism ftw)

You are welcome to play any protectorates or dominions. Maqtrybama, I have read your previous posts, and in my opinion the YSGAP was a mess and unrealistic; the current Russian player even denounced it in character as Alexander II having a fit of dementia.

Damnit Yalos, I was about to intervene in Korea Jesus Kim, lost in sight but not in mind.

By the way, we are having several conferences (one in Cairo is discussing the Partition of Africa, among other things), and once they are done, we will undergo a timeskip to 1875.

After the Cairo Conference can I play a protectorate? Who's getting what, anyway?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

We're still discussing the fate of France, unfortunately. It's a slow grind.

[Dangelia]

Before doing the Time Skip to 1875, let's let Haleon (Greece) make some a couple of posts on expanding his navy and stuff.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Before doing the Time Skip to 1875, let's let Haleon (Greece) make some a couple of posts on expanding his navy and stuff.

Sure. The end of all these conferences is a long way yet. He has till January 1871 I would guess.

[Dangelia]

Before doing the Time Skip to 1875, let's let Haleon (Greece) make some a couple of posts on expanding his navy and stuff.

Sure. The end of all these conferences is a long way yet. He has till January 1871 I would guess.

Yeah, and there's also your coronation and our wedding.