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Postby Arglorand » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:18 pm

Azaflaza wrote:I'd probably say due to a difference in colonial countries. It was Spain and Portugal which got South America and they weren't as good colonisers as France and Britain.

Define "good".
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:19 pm

Arglorand wrote:
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:lol2:

I mean, just think about it! If there weren't any qualified doctors, the poor would just die, and there would be no poor!


That's a great idea! We should do that before the commehs decide to wipe out the rich to make sure no one is rich in their perfect equal world!
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Postby Azaflaza » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:22 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Azaflaza wrote:I'd probably say due to a difference in colonial countries. It was Spain and Portugal which got South America and they weren't as good colonisers as France and Britain.

Define "good".

Better at developing both economically and socially. Definitely not ethically.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:23 pm

Gold state wrote:South America is less prosperous because of.

"Intervenćion"


Maybe, just maybe, America isn't the one to blame for all of our problems? It's quite easy saying "IT'S YOUR FAULT AMERICA", but the hole is way deeper than that.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:24 pm

Azaflaza wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Define "good".

Better at developing both economically and socially. Definitely not ethically.


You tell Haiti that.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:26 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
:lol2:

I mean, just think about it! If there weren't any qualified doctors, the poor would just die, and there would be no poor!

Let them die and decrease the surplus population! (I'm keeping with the holiday spirit!)
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Postby Arglorand » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:27 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Azaflaza wrote:Better at developing both economically and socially. Definitely not ethically.


You tell Haiti that.

Or Jamaica.
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Postby Azaflaza » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:27 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Azaflaza wrote:Better at developing both economically and socially. Definitely not ethically.


You tell Haiti that.

Isn't Haiti more Central America?

In Central Americas case, yes countries such as France and Britain used them much more like exploitation colonies.

Same goes for Jamaica.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:27 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Arglorand wrote:I mean, just think about it! If there weren't any qualified doctors, the poor would just die, and there would be no poor!

Let them die and decrease the surplus population! (I'm keeping with the holiday spirit!)


Perhaps we should ban the unemployed from food as well... That'll fix unemployment!
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Postby The Space Pirates » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:27 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:I remember reading a short poem that was something like this:

"The white man came to North America for God
The white man came to South America for gold"

In other words, the European exploration was harsher in South America than in North America. While South America was compromised mostly of "exploitment colonies", North America was compromised mostly of "settler colonies".


Yep. That and geography.
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Postby Arglorand » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:28 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Let them die and decrease the surplus population! (I'm keeping with the holiday spirit!)


Perhaps we should ban the unemployed from food as well... That'll fix unemployment!

Ban all unemployed persons from working.

It's not unemployment if they can't legally be employed. *nods*
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Postby God Kefka » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:29 pm

Well... this might be stating the obvious and may come across as just slightly racist but (I think it's a clear pattern)...

maybe the French and the British were just better at colonizing then the Spanish and the Portuguese? I mean, most of North America was colonized by France and Britain while South America by the Spanish and the Portuguese. There was just something very wrong with the way the Spanish and the Portuguese colonized?
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Postby Azaflaza » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:30 pm

God Kefka wrote:Well... this might be stating the obvious and may come across as just slightly racist but (I think it's a clear pattern)...

maybe the French and the British were just better at colonizing then the Spanish and the Portuguese? I mean, most of North America was colonized by France and Britain while South America by the Spanish and the Portuguese. There was just something very wrong with the way the Spanish and the Portuguese colonized?

Exactly my point.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:31 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Perhaps we should ban the unemployed from food as well... That'll fix unemployment!

Ban all unemployed persons from working.

It's not unemployment if they can't legally be employed. *nods*


Genius!

How about we increase the wealth gap, and then get rid of the poor in one fell swoop? We'll increase GDP by the millions! (Infallible logic.)
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Postby Estado Paulista » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:33 pm

God Kefka wrote:There was just something very wrong with the way the Spanish and the Portuguese colonized?


Yes. It's called recklessly exploiting your colonies' natural resources and not being willing to develop at least a little bit of infrastucture there —apart from the infrastucture you built as a way to exploit your colonies' natural resources— and at the same time, creating an undemocratic political culture there through the way you govern your colonies.
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Postby Chevrro » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:33 pm

Yeah blame the America. It has become a standard in South America.

Politicans stealing peoples money (corruption) and then blame America for that. :palm:
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:40 pm

Ashmoria wrote:more arable land outside the tropics.


Seems you never heard of the Valley of Cibao in the Dominican Republic or the Valley of Cauca in Colombia. Or Lajas Valley in Puerto Rico. Or the Valley of Vinales in Cuba , Western Cuba.

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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:47 pm

Gallup wrote:Venezuela and Cuba, both socialistic dictatorships, are the problem in a nutshell. Socialists, dictator or elected, reck the economy.


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Gallup wrote:Venezuela and Cuba, both socialistic dictatorships, are the problem in a nutshell. Socialists, dictator or elected, reck the economy.


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This is ridiculous. South America is predominantly market-capitalist.


like fucking seriously dude. most of the countries in south america are capitalist and most of the ones that went socialist for anything more than a minute were murdered back into capitalism. you've just listed two countries (one of of which is fucking tiny) from the OFFICIAL OBAMA JIMMY RUSTLERS CLUB and pretended like you've made an actual point. how can they be the problem that south america has in a nusthell if most of the countries in south america are not anything like them and oh my god have i adressed your argument enough yet to call you a troll or just really really really really really bad at history, politics and possibly geography
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Postby JJ Place » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:49 pm

Avenio wrote:Geography, mostly. North America, particularly the parts where Europeans first started developing colonies, tended to be better suited to European-style farming with European produce and techniques; therefore there was interest in not just exploiting the resources of said region but also 'developing' it.

Contrast that to a broad swathe of South America, which sits in and around the equator and is pretty badly suited to European agriculture and you have a scenario where early colonial development centred mostly on exploitative operations rather than 'development', and that put South America 'behind' the rest of the Americas.

Well, there we go, geographical and environmental determinism; that sounds to be the best explanation of the core reason North America is richer than South America. Certainly, there are many factors that spring from those, the factors that do actually create and shape each Continent, but I always tend to find the most reason in geography determining the fate of the inhabitants.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:49 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Gallup wrote:Venezuela and Cuba, both socialistic dictatorships, are the problem in a nutshell. Socialists, dictator or elected, reck the economy.


Unitaristic Regions wrote:
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This is ridiculous. South America is predominantly market-capitalist.


like fucking seriously dude. most of the countries in south america are capitalist and most of the ones that went socialist for anything more than a minute were murdered back into capitalism. you've just listed two countries (one of of which is fucking tiny) from the OFFICIAL OBAMA JIMMY RUSTLERS CLUB and pretended like you've made an actual point. how can they be the problem that south america has in a nusthell if most of the countries in south america are not anything like them and oh my god have i adressed your argument enough yet to call you a troll or just really really really really really bad at history, politics and possibly geography


Allow me to agree :).
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:50 pm

Chevrro wrote:Yeah blame the America. It has become a standard in South America.

Politicans stealing peoples money (corruption) and then blame America for that. :palm:

what is the relation between america and corrupt politicans in south america *bonk*
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Souseiseki wrote:
Chevrro wrote:Yeah blame the America. It has become a standard in South America.

Politicans stealing peoples money (corruption) and then blame America for that. :palm:

what is the relation between america and corrupt politicans in south america *bonk*


Yeah, impossible to see the link... No relation whatsoever... *nods.*
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Souseiseki wrote:
Chevrro wrote:Yeah blame the America. It has become a standard in South America.

Politicans stealing peoples money (corruption) and then blame America for that. :palm:

what is the relation between america and corrupt politicans in south america *bonk*

All politicians are corrupt.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:56 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:what is the relation between america and corrupt politicans in south america *bonk*

All politicians are corrupt.


"having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain."

sounds like most capitalists too tbh
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