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What is your denomination?

Catholic
300
31%
Eastern Orthodox
101
10%
Non-Chalcedonian (Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East , etc.)
8
1%
Lutheran
65
7%
Baptist
101
10%
Reformed (Calvinism, Presbyterianism, etc.)
48
5%
Anglican/Episcopalian
61
6%
Restorationist (LDS Movement, Jehovah's Witness, etc.)
19
2%
Non-Denominational
148
15%
Other Christian
130
13%
 
Total votes : 981

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Postby Menassa » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:33 am

Orcoa wrote:
Menassa wrote:I've been usually praying on my own, not recently given the holidays.

But it is quite and I pray eastward, towards Jerusalem and if it is morning or afternoon usually with an open window.

I always pray alone for my relationship with God and The King of Kings is personal.

Plus I don't wish to bother anybody as I tell Him what is on my mind and heart. Sometimes I find the answers...other times I don't.

But at lest I find peace in the music and calm of me praying.

I've felt similar, but in recent months I've been seeing the benefits of communal prayer on my person and my prayer.

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Postby Orcoa » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:35 am

Menassa wrote:
Orcoa wrote:I always pray alone for my relationship with God and The King of Kings is personal.

Plus I don't wish to bother anybody as I tell Him what is on my mind and heart. Sometimes I find the answers...other times I don't.

But at lest I find peace in the music and calm of me praying.

I've felt similar, but in recent months I've been seeing the benefits of communal prayer on my person and my prayer.

I do feel lonely at times lately....seen my friends being with others and finding love with them is...quite painful sometimes since I broke up with my last girlfriend a month ago.

Maybe this holiday I can find a way to help with that pain by being with others and celebrating, praying, and such.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:02 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Christians, do you use a Rosary? A Prayer Rope?

I use both. It brings great peace to my mind to acknowledge both Christ and the Theotokos throughout my day.

....What are those? I have never heard of those before.


A Prayer Rope is a loop of either wool or silk (although mine is wooden bound by silk) laced together with a series of knots tied in a specific fashion in order to present a cross to the viewer from any direction. The knots vary in number - 33, 50, 100, 150, etc. Interwoven between the knots are four large beads in cruciform fashion, small orbs, wooden tabs, or other decorative artifacts sometimes fashioned with a small replication of a particular icon. Also interwoven into the rope is a single cross sometimes finished with a tassel.

Each knot is counted by the Christian according to the number of times the "Jesus Prayer" is recited. We are encouraged to pray without ceasing by scripture and the Prayer Rope better facilitates this encouragement. The tassel on the rope is used to wipe away tears when the grace of God visits you.

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The Rosaryis the Catholic variation of the Prayer Rope. Typically, Rosarys are made of glass, metal, and/or wooden beads, and bound by an elastic band. Interspersed are certain pewter pendents with images of certain saints, the cross, Jesus, or Mother Mary. Upon counting the beads, the Christian recites the Rosary. The Rosary is a prayer of veneration for the Mother of God. It is a sequence of prayers beginning with the Lords Prayer once, the Hail Mary three times, the Glory be to the Father once, and then the Fatima. It is often followed by the Hail, Holy Queen prayer.

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Now I don't follow the Catholic doctrine of reciting the Rosary as I disagree with their theological underpinnings. I don't agree that Mary herself was perfect. I do agree that, as the Mother of God, the Theotokos deserves adoration and veneration appropriate to her station as intercessor.

So when I recite the Rosary, I say an Orthodox variation:

Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy Kingdom come Thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses that we might forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. For thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Amen.

Rejoice Theotokos and Ever Virgin Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast given birth to the Saviour of our souls.

Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal have mercy on us. Glory to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
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Postby Agritum » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:08 am

Distruzio wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:....What are those? I have never heard of those before.


A Prayer Rope is a loop of either wool or silk (although mine is wooden bound by silk) laced together with a series of knots tied in a specific fashion in order to present a cross to the viewer from any direction. The knots vary in number - 33, 50, 100, 150, etc. Interwoven between the knots are small orbs, wooden tabs, or other decorative artifacts sometimes fashioned with a small replication of a particular icon. Also interwoven into the rope is a single cross sometimes finished with a tassel.

Each knot is counted by the Christian according to the number of times the "Jesus Prayer" is recited. We are encouraged to pray without ceasing by scripture and the Prayer Rope better facilitates this encouragement. The tassel on the rope is used to wipe away tears when the grace of God visits you.

Prayer Ropes are typically worn as bracelets or around the neck.

The Rosaryis the Catholic variation of the Prayer Rope. Typically, Rosarys are made of glass, metal, and/or wooden beads, and bound by an elastic band. Interspersed are certain pewter pendents with images of certain saints, the cross, Jesus, or Mother Mary. Upon counting the beads, the Christian recites the Rosary. The Rosary is a prayer of veneration for the Mother of God. It is a sequence of prayers beginning with the Lords Prayer once, the Hail Mary three times, the Glory be to the Father once, and then the Fatima. It is often followed by the Hail, Holy Queen prayer.

Now I don't follow the Catholic doctrine of reciting the Rosary as I disagree with their theological underpinnings. I don't agree that Mary herself was perfect. I do agree that, as the Mother of God, the Theotokos deserves adoration and veneration appropriate to her station as intercessor.

So when I recite the Rosary, I say an Orthodox variation:

Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy Kingdom come Thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses that we might forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. For thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Amen.

Rejoice Theotokos and Ever Virgin Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast given birth to the Saviour of our souls.

Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal have mercy on us. Glory to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

My aunt and grandma usually recite the Rosary. It's haunting.

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Postby Distruzio » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:11 am

Agritum wrote:My aunt and grandma usually recite the Rosary. It's haunting.


Haunting? Do tell!
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:13 am

The word "bead" comes from the rosary. Each knot or stone represents a prayer, and the prayer was called a "bede".
Before this, the round stones on strings had no particular name.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02383b.htm

So those of you who enjoy beadwork are actually enjoying prayerwork.
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Postby Agritum » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:15 am

Distruzio wrote:
Agritum wrote:My aunt and grandma usually recite the Rosary. It's haunting.


Haunting? Do tell!

They usually recite it in a low but warm whisper, keeping a steady rhythm in the prayer. It sounds quite nice, also because prayers in Italian are beautiful to hear, from a linguistic standpoint.

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Postby Cill Airne » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:17 am

Distruzio wrote:Christians, do you use a Rosary? A Prayer Rope?

I use both. It brings great peace to my mind to acknowledge both Christ and the Theotokos throughout my day.

I use the rosary, though I say my prayers in Latin and not English.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:18 am

Agritum wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Haunting? Do tell!

They usually recite it in a low but warm whisper, keeping a steady rhythm in the prayer. It sounds quite nice, also because prayers in Italian are beautiful to hear, from a linguistic standpoint.


Absolutely. I agree a thousand fold. My fiance wants to start going to an English speaking Church so she can keep up and decide to convert. I'll miss my Greek, however. I love praying in Greek. I suppose I'll have to keep that up.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:19 am

Pope Joan wrote:The word "bead" comes from the rosary. Each knot or stone represents a prayer, and the prayer was called a "bede".
Before this, the round stones on strings had no particular name.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02383b.htm

So those of you who enjoy beadwork are actually enjoying prayerwork.


Lolz!
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Postby Agritum » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:19 am

Distruzio wrote:
Agritum wrote:They usually recite it in a low but warm whisper, keeping a steady rhythm in the prayer. It sounds quite nice, also because prayers in Italian are beautiful to hear, from a linguistic standpoint.


Absolutely. I agree a thousand fold. My fiance wants to start going to an English speaking Church so she can keep up and decide to convert. I'll miss my Greek, however. I love praying in Greek. I suppose I'll have to keep that up.

The things someone does for love.

My knowledge of Greek is limited to Ancient one, but I can definitely say that it's another haunting and flowing language.

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Postby Menassa » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:21 am

Agritum wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Absolutely. I agree a thousand fold. My fiance wants to start going to an English speaking Church so she can keep up and decide to convert. I'll miss my Greek, however. I love praying in Greek. I suppose I'll have to keep that up.

The things someone does for love.

My knowledge of Greek is limited to Ancient one, but I can definitely say that it's another haunting and flowing language.

If I advance my desire for theological studies, I'm probably going to learn Greek.

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Postby Distruzio » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:26 am

Agritum wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Absolutely. I agree a thousand fold. My fiance wants to start going to an English speaking Church so she can keep up and decide to convert. I'll miss my Greek, however. I love praying in Greek. I suppose I'll have to keep that up.

The things someone does for love.

My knowledge of Greek is limited to Ancient one, but I can definitely say that it's another haunting and flowing language.


Indeed. My Bishop is despondent about my switch from Greek to OCA (formerly a Russian diocese and, after the Bolshevik Revolution, self-governing and independent and in 1970 autocephelous as the Orthodox Church in America - the Communists did a number on my Church in more ways than one). They should still let me pray the Lord's Prayer in Greek, though.
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Postby Wendel » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:09 pm

Knowledgeable Catholics don't see Mary as perfect. She is imperfect. God alone is perfect.
But, we believe her to be more perfect than us and the angels because she is Theotokos.

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Postby Agritum » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:45 pm

Catholics, have you ever heard of Saint Pius of Pietrelcina?

He allegedly bore stigmata, amongst other things. He is quite popular in Italy, and my aunt is particularly devout to him.

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Postby The Islands of Metanoia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:37 am

Agritum wrote:Catholics, have you ever heard of Saint Pius of Pietrelcina?

He allegedly bore stigmata, amongst other things. He is quite popular in Italy, and my aunt is particularly devout to him.


I am a Philippine Catholic and I am extremely devoted to Padre Pio.

During World War II he levitated to stop the bombing of his town, and one time when the American pilots who wanted to bomb his place saw a picture of him, they realized that that guy flew around their aircraft. It was a whole group that saw him. He was also gifted with being able to read your thoughts and he had stigmata which smelled like roses. Some nights he descended into hell, spiritually to destroy demons.

I am also particularly devoted to Saint Edith Stein a former Atheist-Jew who converted to Catholicism.

(Future) Saint Justo Takayama is another Saint I am also interested in. Lol, a Samurai Saint. :lol2:
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Postby The Islands of Metanoia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:43 am

I like the terms which they used to describe his experiences: "transverberation", "religious estacy" & "beatific vision"

I want to levitate too. :roll:
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Postby The Islands of Metanoia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:47 am

He can also bilocate, enter your dreams & read your heart. His stigmata also smelled like roses.

He was particularly stern against, Atheists, Masons & lol lol lol Jews. (Yeah Manaseh I'm talking about you)

You might also find this interesting.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:49 am

The Islands of Metanoia wrote:He can also bilocate, enter your dreams & read your heart. His stigmata also smelled like roses.

He was particularly stern against, Atheists, Masons & lol lol lol Jews. (Yeah Manaseh I'm talking about you)

She was born with her people, and she died with her people.

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Postby The Islands of Metanoia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:28 am

Menassa wrote:
The Islands of Metanoia wrote:He can also bilocate, enter your dreams & read your heart. His stigmata also smelled like roses.

He was particularly stern against, Atheists, Masons & lol lol lol Jews. (Yeah Manaseh I'm talking about you)

She was born with her people, and she died with her people.


She is a blessed woman. When she was a nun, she and her order tried to save alot of jews but Hitler was just so fierce.

But I kid you not. Christ is truly King.

My Christ can make gold dust appear out of nowhere, roses grow out from the heart and make this woman levitate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTpOtBJuiiY



So, why did you think, Tariq Suleiman (سليمان), Rajah Matanda (ऋअज ंअतन्द), and Lakan Dula (王 杜拉) were baptized into Catholicism (thanks Martin de Goiti) ?

Because Christ's name is above all other names.


The Jewish-Masonic conspiracy has already failed my friend. The Shit has been turned up.


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There is still hope for you to repent from your Kabal my friend. :lol:
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Postby Menassa » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:33 am

The Islands of Metanoia wrote:
Menassa wrote:She was born with her people, and she died with her people.


She is a blessed woman. When she was a nun, she and her order tried to save alot of jews but Hitler was just so fierce.

You should learn form her.

The Islands of Metanoia wrote:But I kid you not. Christ is truly King.

So you've stated.

The Islands of Metanoia wrote:My Christ can make gold dust appear out of nowhere, roses grow out from the heart and make this woman levitate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTpOtBJuiiY

Duteronomy 13:1



The Islands of Metanoia wrote:So, why did you think, Tariq Suleiman (سليمان), Rajah Matanda (ऋअज ंअतन्द), and Lakan Dula (王 杜拉) were baptized into Catholicism (thanks Martin de Goiti) ?

Why is it do you think that the Kuzari converted to Judaism when also presented with Christianity?


The Islands of Metanoia wrote:The Jewish-Masonic conspiracy has already failed my friend. The Shit has been turned up.

What?


The Islands of Metanoia wrote:There is still hope for you to repent from your Kabal my friend. :lol:

I'm fine, but I really appreciate the offer.

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Postby The Islands of Metanoia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:46 am

Oh, stop being coy with me Manaseh.

Your either with them.
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Or with us.
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Postby The Islands of Metanoia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:55 am

Menassa wrote:
The Islands of Metanoia wrote:
She is a blessed woman. When she was a nun, she and her order tried to save alot of jews but Hitler was just so fierce.

You should learn form her.

The Islands of Metanoia wrote:But I kid you not. Christ is truly King.

So you've stated.

The Islands of Metanoia wrote:My Christ can make gold dust appear out of nowhere, roses grow out from the heart and make this woman levitate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTpOtBJuiiY

Duteronomy 13:1



The Islands of Metanoia wrote:So, why did you think, Tariq Suleiman (سليمان), Rajah Matanda (ऋअज ंअतन्द), and Lakan Dula (王 杜拉) were baptized into Catholicism (thanks Martin de Goiti) ?

Why is it do you think that the Kuzari converted to Judaism when also presented with Christianity?


The Islands of Metanoia wrote:The Jewish-Masonic conspiracy has already failed my friend. The Shit has been turned up.

What?


The Islands of Metanoia wrote:There is still hope for you to repent from your Kabal my friend. :lol:

I'm fine, but I really appreciate the offer.


She is a visionary not a prophet. She doesn't even proclaim to be a prophet, she says that she's just a simple woman, a nanny for God's sake.

Also want me to quote all the disgusting things that your Talmud proclaimeth? (Which your Masonic minions also follow)

Rulings of the "sages" follow: "A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a priest — even a High Priest."

http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/y ... .html#E158

As noted elsewhere, regarding murder of the non-Jew, it is good and meritorious, providing you do not get caught and thus get the Talmudic religion exposed for what it is.

However, permissible murder in Judaism embraces more than just killing Gentiles. Murder by suffocation is permissible. Here shyster hairsplitting is inserted in the Talmud, it being permissible to seal up a neighbor in an airtight "alabaster chamber," providing one does not put in a lighted candle to help eat up the oxygen, but merely allowing the victim to expire by breathing the oxygen up himself unaided, this is acceptable.


http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/ ... 7.html#E86

Omigosh, trying to hide all these. Eh. I prefer that you be a Toranic Jew rather than a Talmudic Jew.
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Postby Agritum » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:27 am

Holy Anti-Semitism, Batman!

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Postby The Islands of Metanoia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:32 am

Agritum wrote:Holy Anti-Semitism, Batman!



Lol I'm not as holy as I should be but just to put this down, I'm Pro-Semite since I defend the Hebrew Blooded Palestinians and the Hebrew Blooded but Christian Solomonic Dynasty of Ethiopia.

What I am however is an anti-bigot who smiles in public to Christians while I secretly read on the Talmud and find ways to be superior to the Goyim.
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